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[Lordo]

how did you know i sell carpets, mind you they quality all the way from van hand made an all.

market value what a wonderful thing. it is good.

[Lordo]

this makes very interesting reading.

gcs are buying gc properties in the north.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2015/08/17/greek-cypriots-buying-and-selling-north-properties-to-each-other/

here is an example

55 donums were sold for 87,645 euros now compare that with the ipc who exchange 600 donums for 21 milion euros. and there are idiots who claim that ipc is underpaying. like hell they are. they look at the market values and work it out.

and there are idiots on here that claim that the values are incorrect.

can one donum of limasol land be the same as 1 donum of limbya, like hell it is. idiots galore it seems all over.

[repulsewarrior]

hmmm...

Rejecting Cynergy would risk hundreds of billions of dollars in sales currently buried in the ocean, Germanos said. For example, the companies developing Leviathan have inked $25 billion in contracts since the field was discovered in 2010, but still have more than 80% of the reservoir untied to any buyers.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ranean-gas

https://thearabweekly.com/egypt-inks-de ... ink-europe

Egypt is seeking to develop the infrastructure to export its newfound energy wealth, both as liquefied natural gas and as electricity.

https://ahvalnews.com/eastern-mediterra ... -bloomberg

https://ahvalnews.com/cyprus/republic-c ... astern-med

[Lordo]

now here is a very good article about eez. i wonder how many of the assholes have read it.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/05/26/the-way-out-of-the-energy-stalemate-with-turkey/

[repulsewarrior]

...Turkey with her rigs will do their best to harass the work of others. In such an environment one will expect Cyprus, Egypt, and Israel to continue in the work where Turkey is far behind. Such as it is wildcatting for oil has its own rules; it does not include everyone sitting on their hands because a late comer says so. If it is Naval superiority that's required, Turkey' offensiveness has only resulted in the other parties to see Erdogan as a hostile adversary who wants it all, and who will be accordingly treated. Indeed, Erdogan wants to throw out the Treaty of Lausanne, but he takes no comprehensive view, what is good for everyone, what brings no harm, what leaves relations in the region balanced, true Statesmanship, greater than "Turkishness".

[Lordo]

just the same reason as why groc cannot get out of the treaty of guarantee nor can erdogan get out of the luasanne agreement. no fear there.

[Kikapu]

just the same reason as why groc cannot get out of the treaty of guarantee nor can erdogan get out of the luasanne agreement. no fear there.

The moment BBF was agreed to be negotiated, it put everything that was in the 1960 constitution on the table to be re negotiated. This is the mistake the TCs made by agreeing to re negotiate the 1960 constitution via the BBF. Of course, the TCs thought the outcome was going to be much different after Turkey invaded and occupied northern part of Cyprus where they thought that the GCs would agree to any agreement. The RoC is very happy about the 1960 constitution to be re-negotiated after Turkey/TCs refused the 13 points from Makarios. As a result, Turkey and the TCs has no say so how the RoC functions today and Turkey and the TCs can wait until the cows come home to have a Cyprus settlement if the RoC/Gcs do not agree to one. So, in essence, the ToG is in animated state and the only thing that is valid, is that Turkey has violated her ToG responsibilities and now is nothing but an illegal occupier of northern Cyprus.

[Lordo]

just the same reason as why groc cannot get out of the treaty of guarantee nor can erdogan get out of the luasanne agreement. no fear there.

The moment BBF was agreed to be negotiated, it put everything that was in the 1960 constitution on the table to be re negotiated. This is the mistake the TCs made by agreeing to re negotiate the 1960 constitution via the BBF. Of course, the TCs thought the outcome was going to be much different after Turkey invaded and occupied northern part of Cyprus where they thought that the GCs would agree to any agreement. The RoC is very happy about the 1960 constitution to be re-negotiated after Turkey/TCs refused the 13 points from Makarios. As a result, Turkey and the TCs has no say so how the RoC functions today and Turkey and the TCs can wait until the cows come home to have a Cyprus settlement if the RoC/Gcs do not agree to one. So, in essence, the ToG is in animated state and the only thing that is valid, is that Turkey has violated her ToG responsibilities and now is nothing but an illegal occupier of northern Cyprus.

stop being stupid.

it was makarios who vetoed the agreement between dengtash and clerides in 1972.
the fact that bbf is being negotiated does not negate1960 agreement. unless there is a new agreement it will remain so no matter how the gcs have changed the laws since 1963. in anycase the time has come and gone. anastasiades is no longer interested in bbf and nor is the new pm in the north. soon akinci will be replaced with an ubp and the final two state solution discussions will start.

[repulsewarrior]

...for Lordo,

https://medium.com/@HellenicLeaders/the ... 4cc17c4669

...cheers.

[Kikapu]

just the same reason as why groc cannot get out of the treaty of guarantee nor can erdogan get out of the luasanne agreement. no fear there.

The moment BBF was agreed to be negotiated, it put everything that was in the 1960 constitution on the table to be re negotiated. This is the mistake the TCs made by agreeing to re negotiate the 1960 constitution via the BBF. Of course, the TCs thought the outcome was going to be much different after Turkey invaded and occupied northern part of Cyprus where they thought that the GCs would agree to any agreement. The RoC is very happy about the 1960 constitution to be re-negotiated after Turkey/TCs refused the 13 points from Makarios. As a result, Turkey and the TCs has no say so how the RoC functions today and Turkey and the TCs can wait until the cows come home to have a Cyprus settlement if the RoC/Gcs do not agree to one. So, in essence, the ToG is in animated state and the only thing that is valid, is that Turkey has violated her ToG responsibilities and now is nothing but an illegal occupier of northern Cyprus.

stop being stupid.

it was makarios who vetoed the agreement between dengtash and clerides in 1972.
the fact that bbf is being negotiated does not negate1960 agreement. unless there is a new agreement it will remain so no matter how the gcs have changed the laws since 1963. in anycase the time has come and gone. anastasiades is no longer interested in bbf and nor is the new pm in the north. soon akinci will be replaced with an ubp and the final two state solution discussions will start.

I did not say that the 1960 agreements are negated because of BBF was agreed to be negotiated. I said BBF negotiation agreements opened the 1960 agreements to be re negotiated and the RoC will keep it open until it gets what it wants to change and there is nothing the TCs/Turkey can do to negate the BBF negotiations to negotiate anything different than BBF if the RoC doesn’t want to. One party alone cannot change to something else from the BBF negotiations. Anastasiades will keep throwing “new solution ideas” just to keep buying time, but nothing will change as BBF is as far as the RoC is willing to go for a settlement, but under conditions it wants, which is inline with the EU principles, which is 180 degrees opposite to the 1960 agreements.