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[repulsewarrior]

Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci said on Monday that if the Greek Cypriot side was ready to accept the Guterres framework without changes, it could be announced as a strategic package agreement.

In a brief tweet Akinci said “If the Greek Cypriot side is ready to accept the #Guterres framework as it is, without any alterations, it should say so without delay. In that case, we can announce it as a strategic package agreement… @AnastasiadesCY”

http://cyprus-mail.com/2018/04/30/akinc ... framework/

...what reply should he expect?

[B25]

They can go F themselves, typical UN pushing for Turkish appeasement.

No solution it better than 'ANY' solution. The illegal occupied areas will always be illegal and they can remain outside the EU, them and Turkey should they choose to go for partition. We have had partition for 43 years, so nothing new, only that we are looking to legalise their crimes against us and give Turkey further entrance to the rest of the island.

Seriously, does anyone trust Turkey for any agreement that has been concocted and 'agreed' ???

[repulsewarrior]

http://cyprus-mail.com/2018/05/01/state ... ish-forum/

...i know that the risk is that the UN, Guterres in particular, will opt for a devolution of the Problem, as one between "Greeks" and "Turks", rather than an International Problem where the symptoms present an opportunity, where Cypriots exist, being an island, having a small population, to define and end the ignorance that promotes such hatred, that those who promote "themselves" with such intolerance are ignoring Humanity itself. He may not be Mr. Annan with his Annan 5, he is no Ban Ki Moon, if there is a line to draw, he may be the one to do it. What he needs from Cypriots is this confidence, that he will do his job.

If Mr. Anastasiades chooses to reply negatively, it will be difficult to reason why. Although, without Mr. Akinci's upfront commitment to Cyprus, as Cypriot, first, it is not likely that Anastasiades can agree to any "new" Cyprus. Indeed, there is every reason to believe that Akinci's challenge is a ploy, for "Turkishness", because the negative reply is to be expected. If it is a last gasp, for "Cypriotness", we may see these men standing for a photo together shaking hands with the Flag of Cyprus behind them in the near future. Without such a photo, an intention to reform the Constitution, is just not possible. With it, i imagine the next big step would be to see a Communal Chamber and a Legislature filled with good intentions toward this end, representing Cypriots as Individuals, and as Person.

Time will tell, the next step, this offers to be one of those...

[repulsewarrior]

[03] "Ankara justifies Anastasiades"
Under this title in Turkish Cypriot daily Yeni Duzen newspaper (28.05.18), columnist Sami Ozuslu refers to the statement made by retired General Ilker Basbug, former Chief of the Turkish General Staff, who alleged that the Treaties of Alliance and Guarantees in Cyprus concern Turkey, Greece and the United Kingdom and that Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci has no say on this issue. Noting that these statements made during a program of the TRT, Turkish state television, justify the positions of President Anastasiades, Ozuslu argues, inter alia, the following:
"[…] These words justify Greek Cypriot leader Nikos Anastasiades. The position that 'Akinci may have good intentions, but Ankara is the one which says the final word' is an argument which is always set forward by the Greek Cypriots. Instead of denying this, the Turkish Cypriot leadership acts usually with the position that 'we are in consensus with Ankara'. Sometimes this is correct. Sometime, however, it is not. If Nicosia comes into conflict with Ankara, the one who sits in the presidential palace will catch the blame for this. In this situation, the Greek Cypriot political elite will relax for good.

Ilker Basbug is a retired army officer. What he says does not bind the state very much. However, the stance of those who bind the state in Turkey is not very different. What is known in the clearest manner is the stance of Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu during his last visit […] during which he met with Akinci and the leaders of the political parties in the presidential palace and left the island without making a single statement. It is said that the climate inside [the meeting] was cold. Some even say that Cavusoglu 'hit the door and left'. Why? Because president Akinci, prime minister Erhurman and national education minister Cemal Ozyigit instantly opposed the proposal of bringing confederation onto the agenda. When this happened, Cavusoglu abandoned both the palace and the island without making a statement, they say. It is obvious that Ankara got very angry with the situation.

Cavusoglu, who played a leading role in Crans Montana, with every action he makes, shows to us that Ankara acts with the understanding of burdening Greece and the Greek Cypriot leadership with the cost for the non-solution, of the continuation of the status quo until it obtains a profit from the natural gas and of maintaining its presence forever if it does not obtain this gain. Those who say that Ankara made a move on the issue of guarantees during those days and that it is ready to make a move, have a good intention, of course. Good intention, however, could prevent us from seeing the realities sometimes. Ilker Basbug's statements are clear. Akinci, who took courage from the oral reference by Cavusoglu and made a call on Anastasiades saying 'come and let us accept the Guterres Framework and sign it', receives the one blow after the other from Ankara. Not only the government, but also the main opposition which is in a social democra tic line, see the Cyprus problem with outmoded glasses from the 1950's. As for Ilker Basbug, he expresses the stance of the army. […]"

Meanwhile, commenting on the same issue, columnist Ali Baturay in Turkish Cypriot daily Kibris newspaper (28.05.18) described as "problematic" the point of view of the great majority of the people in Turkey, including government officials. He argues:

"[…] Generally there is even an opposite point of view for Cyprus. […] It is as if there are no people living in Cyprus, Cyprus is only a piece of land and it is not important whether people live on this land. It is not important what the people living on these lands think, what they wish, how they want to live, what their plans for the future are. In any case, they have been rescued by Turkey. If they had not been rescued, they would not have been alive. They are alive because of Turkey. Therefore, it is not important what those who live there [in Cyprus] want. Turkey can think, decide, [and] design a future for them. The Turkish Cypriots will keep quiet and implement quietly whatever Turkey decides. […]"

(I/Ts.)

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/201 ... .tcpr.html

...behind the scenes, what may have led to this offer.

[repulsewarrior]

...for the first time in a long time it is not Yusef K writing; news on Cyprus more restrained, and balanced from a Turkish view.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/opinio ... rus-132618

...wish i could have commented, directly.

[Humanist1]

Can anyone suggest where I can find the full version of the proposal/

I was recently taking with a Turkish speaking Vypiot whao said that the TC's are feeling ovrwhelmed with Turks in Cyprus. To this I wonder if the TC's have te TC's thought of approaching the CECHR to seek that Turkey leave them alone?

[Lordo]

[03] "Ankara justifies Anastasiades"
Under this title in Turkish Cypriot daily Yeni Duzen newspaper (28.05.18), columnist Sami Ozuslu refers to the statement made by retired General Ilker Basbug, former Chief of the Turkish General Staff, who alleged that the Treaties of Alliance and Guarantees in Cyprus concern Turkey, Greece and the United Kingdom and that Turkish Cypriot leader Mustafa Akinci has no say on this issue. Noting that these statements made during a program of the TRT, Turkish state television, justify the positions of President Anastasiades, Ozuslu argues, inter alia, the following:
"[…] These words justify Greek Cypriot leader Nikos Anastasiades. The position that 'Akinci may have good intentions, but Ankara is the one which says the final word' is an argument which is always set forward by the Greek Cypriots. Instead of denying this, the Turkish Cypriot leadership acts usually with the position that 'we are in consensus with Ankara'. Sometimes this is correct. Sometime, however, it is not. If Nicosia comes into conflict with Ankara, the one who sits in the presidential palace will catch the blame for this. In this situation, the Greek Cypriot political elite will relax for good.

Ilker Basbug is a retired army officer. What he says does not bind the state very much. However, the stance of those who bind the state in Turkey is not very different. What is known in the clearest manner is the stance of Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu during his last visit […] during which he met with Akinci and the leaders of the political parties in the presidential palace and left the island without making a single statement. It is said that the climate inside [the meeting] was cold. Some even say that Cavusoglu 'hit the door and left'. Why? Because president Akinci, prime minister Erhurman and national education minister Cemal Ozyigit instantly opposed the proposal of bringing confederation onto the agenda. When this happened, Cavusoglu abandoned both the palace and the island without making a statement, they say. It is obvious that Ankara got very angry with the situation.

Cavusoglu, who played a leading role in Crans Montana, with every action he makes, shows to us that Ankara acts with the understanding of burdening Greece and the Greek Cypriot leadership with the cost for the non-solution, of the continuation of the status quo until it obtains a profit from the natural gas and of maintaining its presence forever if it does not obtain this gain. Those who say that Ankara made a move on the issue of guarantees during those days and that it is ready to make a move, have a good intention, of course. Good intention, however, could prevent us from seeing the realities sometimes. Ilker Basbug's statements are clear. Akinci, who took courage from the oral reference by Cavusoglu and made a call on Anastasiades saying 'come and let us accept the Guterres Framework and sign it', receives the one blow after the other from Ankara. Not only the government, but also the main opposition which is in a social democra tic line, see the Cyprus problem with outmoded glasses from the 1950's. As for Ilker Basbug, he expresses the stance of the army. […]"

Meanwhile, commenting on the same issue, columnist Ali Baturay in Turkish Cypriot daily Kibris newspaper (28.05.18) described as "problematic" the point of view of the great majority of the people in Turkey, including government officials. He argues:

"[…] Generally there is even an opposite point of view for Cyprus. […] It is as if there are no people living in Cyprus, Cyprus is only a piece of land and it is not important whether people live on this land. It is not important what the people living on these lands think, what they wish, how they want to live, what their plans for the future are. In any case, they have been rescued by Turkey. If they had not been rescued, they would not have been alive. They are alive because of Turkey. Therefore, it is not important what those who live there [in Cyprus] want. Turkey can think, decide, [and] design a future for them. The Turkish Cypriots will keep quiet and implement quietly whatever Turkey decides. […]"

(I/Ts.)

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/201 ... .tcpr.html

...behind the scenes, what may have led to this offer.

and stupid peeboll here still say that akinci simply speaks what he is told. gc in time will realise what an opporotunity they have missed to unite the country.

sure when comes to guarantee unless terggy agrees it cannot be removed. thats how law works. you cannot remove yorslef from a contrats when ever you fell like it unless all parties agree. but i cannot see how terggy could continue with her stance on guarantee if anastasiades and akinci agree. the un made a perfectly decent proposal to replace the guarantee with an implementation plan under the gueterres framework and terggy agreed to it. but dengtash will be thanking anastasiades from his grave for not accepting it. phew that was close he would say.

[Get Real!]

and stupid peeboll here still say that akinci simply speaks what he is told. gc in time will realise what an opporotunity they have missed to unite the country.

I don’t want to unite with idiots like you who see archaic criminal despots like ErdoCunt, as some kind of hero!

And no doubt you're the tip of the iceberg...

[Lordo]

and stupid peeboll here still say that akinci simply speaks what he is told. gc in time will realise what an opporotunity they have missed to unite the country.

I don’t want to unite with idiots like you who see archaic criminal despots like ErdoCunt, as some kind of hero!

And no doubt you're the tip of the iceberg...

show me one sentence where i supported erdogan in any way. i am merely stating facts.

fact1 - is the 5 way contract has been signed in 1960
fact 2 - there is no way it can be removed unless all parties agree to it
fact 3 - most tcs do not want erdogan in terggy
fact 4 - most tcs will not let the guarantee go unless they see what life is like after the agreement
fact 5 - the terggs and akinci accepted in crans to replace the guarantee and troops with an implementation plan
fact 6 - they have to run parallel as you boys have form about implementation going back to 1960.
fact 7 - 58 years and you still have not implemented the roc constitution as it was signed 1960
fact 8 - we have had two leaders now that were keen on peace and being reasonable and you wasted both the chances
fact 9 - shall i continue?

[kurupetos]

What are the 'guarantees', kuz?

Have you ever bothered to read the agreement?