Sotos wrote:People would have approved the agreements because publicly Makarios presented them as good and in those times most people would blindly follow what Makarios said. If Makarios wanted the agreements rejected in a referendum then he could have very easily achieved that. But what would be the point of him accepting the agreements only to later ask the people to reject them? The point the authors of the Akritas plan are trying to make is not that the people liked those agreements, but that those agreements were not "validated" with a referendum and they believed that this made it easier to be changed.
Well my personal view is less sophisticated than yours I guess Sotos. My view is that if the agreements had been put to the people at the time they were signed then the people would have approved them. If they had been put to the people at that time Makarios would not have been able to call on the people to reject a deal he had signed. He could have said nothing, in which case they would imo have been approaved but he could not realistically have signed the deal himself and then called on others to reject it. No one is suggesting that the GC community 'liked' the deal. I do however suggest, as the authors of the Akritas plan also sis (in private amongst themselves) that despite them being less than perfect they would have been approved.
Sotos wrote:Regarding "force" vs "compromise"... sure you can put it that way in theory. If I put a gun on your head and I ask you to give me $1000, if you do then I can say that you compromised to give me a $1000 and I compromised not to kill you.
You misunderstand me. I am not saying that it is not possible for an agreement to be invalid because of force. Your example above would imo and I believe in any legal jurisdiction indeed been considered invalid. However as far as I know no gun was held to Makarios head. There are rumours that the British threatened to reveal compromising photos and other evidence of alleged misdeeds by Makarios if he did not fail and this if true would in my view be a degree of force such that the signature of Makarios was invalid but these are just rumors with credible evidence that I am aware of. If the 'force' used to persuade Makarios to sign was Greece saying we will not support you if you do not and the UK and USA saying we might or even will support partition in Cyprus if you do not sign the agreements, then that to me is much more ambiguous as to if this represented 'undue force' (and in reality pressure would be a better term imo) sufficient to invalidate the agreements (morally or legally). Even more so if the statements bu the UK and USA were actually true, that they would have supported partition if Makarios had not signed.
Sotos wrote:Similarly in this case we gave up rights we should normally have, and in return we got a promise that the threads against us (partition and ethnic cleansing) would not be carried out. The TCs didn't compromise on anything they had a right for, they only gained. Similarly the British didn't compromise anything they had right for, on the contrary they kept two parts of Cyprus. So if you call it a "compromise" then it was certainly a one way compromise and not a fair one.
Again my argument is not that the agreements were fair. All I am saying is that I and the authors of the Akritas plan believe, when speaking in private amongst themselves, that despite this, had they been put to the people at the time they were signed the people would have approved them.
I really do not want to get in to a whole, 'your side' 'my side' discussion. There is much much more that could be said about the Akritas plan than this point alone but I am not interested in discussing that either. I am interested in challenging the myths in the standard narratives , TC and GC alike. For me the standard GC narrative is that the 1960's agreements were so egregious and so unfair that the GC community would never have approved of them had they ever been the chance to have a say, even though Makarios did. To me at least this is a myth similar in kind if not quite in degree to the claim the Akritas plan represented a genocide plan.