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[Paphitis]

What we do know, is that there has never really been a successful documented S400 or S300 launch against Western Coalition aircraft that we know of.

What we also know is that no Western Aircraft has been downed with an S300/S400 missile.

The Russians will need to even prove that they can actually launch a missile before they try to convince anyone that they downed 71 out of 103 Cruise missiles.

It looks like the S400 can't even overcome Western ECM and Jamming.

Sorry peeps, but I want evidence thanks. We need to first establish whether these things actually work. No one has provided any evidence that they actually do work.

What we do know however, is that the Russian BUK Missile is very good at downing a B777 Airliner. So no doubt, the S300/S400 would also be equally if not even more effective than the BUK at shooting down airliners, but there is no documented instance where the S300/S400 has downed a Western Military aircraft or Cruise Missile.

Where is it? the evidence I mean?

[Get Real!]

Lots of videos posted by civilians all over the place as it happened packed with interceptions… too bad you missed them.

Am I gonna go find them for you? Nope... couldn't care less!

[Paphitis]

Lots of videos posted by civilians all over the place as it happened packed with interceptions… too bad you missed them.

Am I gonna go find them for you? Nope... couldn't care less!

Yes you already posted that party flare going straight up into the atmosphere and then going pop during (probably after) a Cruise Missile attack way above any Cruise Missile altitude!

But no evidence it was actually a S300 or S400 party flare, and no evidence of it hitting a Tomahawk or even a kite!

[Robin Hood]

Lots of videos posted by civilians all over the place as it happened packed with interceptions… too bad you missed them.

Am I gonna go find them for you? Nope... couldn't care less!

Yes you already posted that party flare going straight up into the atmosphere and then going pop during (probably after) a Cruise Missile attack way above any Cruise Missile altitude!

But no evidence it was actually a S300 or S400 party flare, and no evidence of it hitting a Tomahawk or even a kite!

Neither the S-300 or the S-400 have been used to date .......... only the Syrians use the Soviet era S-200 and they were useless. But the Pantzir is a different story!

Once again you claim 'proof' but supply none, a bit like Trump, May and the Micron?

[Paphitis]

Or the Russians won't turn the radar on because if the Yanks decide to Jam them, they have just pissed all the S400 exports. It would destroy the hysteria they are building up over the S400, despite there being no evidence that they are even effective against us. Now just imagine the Russians give a few to the Syrians and the Americans just take them out?

It seems kind of crazy to on the one hand they send in 2 SU-57 prototypes, perhaps because they might be ok, and on the other not even flick the switch of the Russian S400s at their bases which are within range of virtually all of the Coalition's aircraft. What are the Russians hiding about the S400?

I made no claims. Others are making the claims that the Cruise Missile attack was not effective. Others claim to have shot down 71 out of 103 Cruise Missiles or 71 out of 103 not reaching their targets. But no evidence to back it up.

The allies released the Satellite Images as their evidence. They would have more, but they probably won't release those images. The images they have would be much better than what they did release. They would also have a high security classification as well.

I object to the S300 never being used. They are being used by Greece, and the Americans already know and understand EXACTLY what the S300 and S400 is capable of doing, and they would have testing their ECM against the S300 as well.

that's the disadvantage the Russians have. The Americans have access to the S300. The Israeli's boast about training against S300 Air Defence.

[Robin Hood]

Or the Russians won't turn the radar on because if the Yanks decide to Jam them, they have just pissed all the S400 exports. It would destroy the hysteria they are building up over the S400, despite there being no evidence that they are even effective against us.

It seems kind of crazy to on the one hand they send in 2 SU-57 prototypes, perhaps because they might be ok, and on the other not even flick the switch of the Russian S400s at their bases which are within range of virtually all of the Coalition's aircraft. What are the Russians hiding about the S400?

I made no claims. Others are making the claims that the Cruise Missile attack was not effective. Others claim to have shot down 71 out of 103 Cruise Missiles or 71 out of 103 not reaching their targets. But no evidence to back it up.

The allies released the Satellite Images as their evidence. They would have more, but they probably won't release those images. The images they have would be much better than what they did release. They would also have a high security classification as well.

FUKUS launched 103 missiles ........ the Syrians/Russians say that bought down 71 ...... Trump (and you) say they didn't and all reached their designated targets. Now look at the evidence supplied by YOU, being satellite images of the three sites the US says were attacked ! Do they look as if they have been hit by around 34 missiles on each? Answer ...... NO!

So like the previous attack a year age where only 23(?) of the 59 missiles launched actually reached the target, again the evidence says the damage is inconsistent with the number of missiles and their combined destructive power. Therefore, the Syrian/Russian claim is the most probable.

So, you have the evidence in front of you but refuse to use logic to determine the claim having the highest level of probability. Your assumption is driven by an illogical hatred and arrogance.

Maybe the US won't release the other satellite images because they show a lot of new craters in the dessert?

[Paphitis]

yes, to me the evidence provided by the Coalition of USA, France and UK Vs no evidence at all provided by the Russians and the Syrians, is very consistent with what I would expect.

Some of the sites are quite massive and would have taken 15 missiles per tap. The targets were destroyed after the first tap, the second was to just make sure. Probably also to kill Syrian Soldiers who you might expect to be at Chemical facilities after an attack etc.

I have no issue with the evidence provided so far.

I have an issue with the claims of S400 invincibility when they is just total stupidity (we don't even know if they work really) and the claim that 71 out of 103 missiles didn't reach their target. Well if so, the Syrians can just show us one bit of evidence from any one of those 71 missiles that didn't make it.

But nothing at all.....

[Pyrpolizer]

Also notice the recent attack in Syria was not a war between the West and the Russians.
Presumably both the West and the Russians are actually cooperating in Syria Vs ISIS...
It was simply an attack of the West on fixed targets in Syria.
Syria knew the targets would be destroyed anyway, so it would be a waste of time to do anything about it.
The Russians did not have any reason to intervene, and in case they would, everybody knew it could spark WWIII.
Probably the Russians got the chance to test those Pantzirs though.

This attack on Syria was just a theatrical show by the West, to just support the chemical weapons saga initiated by the UK.
They need to support and maintain this anti-Russian propaganda for their own reasons.

[Pyrpolizer]

LOL my initial message has been lost.
This is the 2nd time it happens to me- instead of posting something new my original message gets edited!
I may have to re-write it

[Pyrpolizer]

What we do know, is that there has never really been a successful documented S400 or S300 launch against Western Coalition aircraft that we know of.

What we also know is that no Western Aircraft has been downed with an S300/S400 missile.

The Russians will need to even prove that they can actually launch a missile before they try to convince anyone that they downed 71 out of 103 Cruise missiles.

It looks like the S400 can't even overcome Western ECM and Jamming.

Sorry peeps, but I want evidence thanks. We need to first establish whether these things actually work. No one has provided any evidence that they actually do work.

What we do know however, is that the Russian BUK Missile is very good at downing a B777 Airliner. So no doubt, the S300/S400 would also be equally if not even more effective than the BUK at shooting down airliners, but there is no documented instance where the S300/S400 has downed a Western Military aircraft or Cruise Missile.

Where is it? the evidence I mean?

Ok, in my first post I was saying that it would be naive to ask for such evidence.
No weapon is unbeatable.
The biggest advantage of any weapon is it's ability to take the enemy by surprise.
Just like the huge loses the Israelis had from anti-aircraft missiles used by Syria and Egypt in the 1973 war.

Demonstrating the abilities of a weapon in action, over and over again is the main factor that would make it obsolete.
Re the Pantzir story makes me think the Tomahawks are already obsolete,