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[Londonrake]

RH

You say it's "Trolling" I believe though that it's calling a spade a spade. Whatever, it's all a matter of record.

Well .... if you believe it's just calling a spade a spade, it must be! Have you ever been wrong?

As far as my earlier post goes? That, as far as I know, in 8 years you have never once - ever - admitted to being wrong? Well if you can prove that's incorrect..............

The problem with your hypothesis is that YOU have never shown me to be wrong and it gets up your nose! I certainly have apologised if I make a mistake or misunderstand another members post.

The difference? And why I have always had a problem with you?

You have a problem .... I don't! I call a spade-a-spade but based on evidence/opinion you reject on principal as you can't stand anyone standing up to your often insulting, pompous and sarcastic responses.

There are some on here who agree with your views. GR, of course. Yialousa1971. Pyrolizer, et al. That's understandable.

Apart from Paphitis, there do not seem to be many that agree with your views, although your views are mainly of individuals rather than the topic .... as here for example!

The difference between them and yourself though is that - as far as I have seen - and although saying it is perhaps a bit "politically incorrect" - they are all patriots. They love their country and, despite all it's travails, wish it the best for the future. As do I and probably most others, like us non-entity expats - who are seeing out their twilight days here.

Unlike you I have not been part of your Empire since the early 70's. I saw what was happening to my country in the 80's and it was obvious then that they would end up in just the situation they are now. I decided to move to Cyprus in 1990 and make Cyprus my home and unlike you I have no wish to return to the UK. This is not just a long holiday for me it is a life choice which I do not regret.

I hoped that coming out of Europe would be the rebirth of the UK as a nation .... but they have f*****d that up as well. Now they go and illegally bomb a sovereign state. Tell me ... what is there to be proud of when the country can afford missiles costing over a £1m each to bomb the s**t out of another country and can't even provide for their sick, homeless, jobless and even their ex-service men. The UK has an escalating crime rate, the education system has gone down the drain and the social standards that I remember have collapsed. What is there to be proud of? I am neither blind or stupid. The fact that this annoys me so much is maybe because I feel a lot more for my country of birth than you do. It saddens me to see it being dragged into the gutter.

You will certainly never hear one of the GC side talk in admiration about the dictatorship of Erdogan. You will never hear them speak about what a great Statesman he is and how the Turkish election results reflect his enormous support. You will certainly never hear any of them expressing glowing admiration for the Turkish forces, their marvelous and justifiable action in taking northern Cyprus, bombing the Kurds plus - moreover - speaking in glowing terms about their military conquests and how formidable their armed forces and equipment are.

Erdogan is the President of a country that occupies 37% of the Republic of Cyprus. Your comparison shows how you bend the argument. Does Putin occupy any part of the UK, the Empire, or any lands that belongs to anyone else? Has he attacked and bombed another country without just cause? Has he threatened the UK or any other country? His actions in Syria have been overwhelmingly applauded by the Syrians .... had it not been for Putin's interventions in Syria it would now be another Libya. (Another great FUKUS venture). So please spare me the patriotism ..... when was the last time UK forces fought for Queen (King) and Country as opposed to US Imperialism?

So try comparing like with like.

I believe though that you are guilty of all those things.

No doubt you do! What you think is an irrelevance because it is merely your opinion!

As far as I have witnessed, you've always hated your own country. Cloaked in the excuse of it being something to do with a long ago colonial past. Really though, IMHO, more to do with personal grudges. You have always seemed to me to be consumed with bitterness and anger, provided with an outlet for that via internet forums. Otherwise, I picture you as the old sandwich-board man "The end is nigh!"

You have your head so far up your own ass you must have a glass belly button!

Nowadays I read all your posts and mostly just pity you. Without Paphitis and myself you would be aimless.

True .... the two of you make a very good comedy act, without you I would be completely lost for light entertainment. I save the serious stuff for others that have a broader view of the events that interest me and maybe them also. They are less prolific posters because all of them give their posts some thought and consider the broader picture ..... they don't just spew Western propaganda as you two do. You just like stirring as you never really contribute anything of note to a thread.

There's no need to read RT or Sputnik. It all comes straight from you and the story of the humiliation of the Donald Cook is actually, yet another, Russian conspiracy theory float.

Is it? You have some proof? It even got the US experts worked up and the same is happening with two multi-million dollar attacks on Syria where many of these sophisticated missiles just seemed to disappear ...... but shhhh ....... WE don't talk about failures, it's not patriotic!

As always, those that wish to believe it will though.

No .... most consider these aspects of events as a probability. Of course there were all the patriotic idiots that backed Bush and Blair on their War on Iraq and called those that questioned the decision traitors and conspiracy theorists and, as a result, bombed Iraq back to the stone age, and they all got their info from the same sources you do!

Didn't pan out so good did it .... especially for the Iraqi's ..... and the Libyans ..... and the Syrians ..... but those evil Russians invaded, occupied and annexed Crimea and subjected the population to peace, jobs, higher wages and a much higher standard of living than the Ukraine they decided to quit, as was their right under the UN Charter to self determination.

Blah. blah, blah!

[Londonrake]

The problem with your hypothesis is that YOU have never shown me to be wrong and it gets up your nose! I certainly have apologised if I make a mistake or misunderstand another members post.

Ohhh! I was out of this but just cant resist.

Firstly - please highlight when you have ever, in 8 years, apologised for anything (apart from total trivia) - to anybody. I am all ears. Does it come alongside the admissions that you were wrong?

That of course includes your normal habit of going off forum and winding up third parties to be aimed in my direction. Black day? Want me to post your lovegrams?

How about:

The US "secretly" used a nuclear bomb in Fallujah.

The Israelis "secretly" used a nuclear bomb in Syria.

The Syrians have captured 24 NATO soldiers.

The Syrians don't have any chemical weapons.

The Syrians have chemical weapons but - not many.

Regarding the Syrian's chemical weapons, the commas and full stops in the accusations are all wrong.

MH17 was deliberately dragged off it's flight path in order for a Ukranian fighter to shoot it down. I am familiar with the cannon shot traces.

I am a member of some secret Mossad, Israeli set-up that does Zionism on the net. Well most on here can see what you mean and would probably agree.

The Americans blew up the Twin Towers in Manhattan, killing 3500 people, in order to spend trillions of $ to rob Iraq of it's oil.

The world is actually being run by a super-rich, elite (illuminate), that control the banking system . They're Jews (I won't call them that though. I will call them "Zionists") and they stole my money!. They're referred to as - The New World Order. Ask Hitler if you want the details.

The Skripals were suffering from simple food poisoning. Or, was it a failed suicide attempt?

Every single NATO missile unleashed on Syria, ever, has been contemptuously shot down. Yawn!

Well, I've got a lot more of this totally paranoid shite, 8 years actually, but - it's gettin' late.

You think you are some sort of expert on anything you,tap-tap-tap but certainly in things where I have a bit of experience you come across as a gormless idiot. Is that "libelous"?

And - although - "traitor" is by far too strong a word I can visualise a situation where that might actually apply. Waving your Russian flag, as the UK aircraft go down. All grudge based.

Twat.

[Pyrpolizer]

Don't kid yourself. A war between Russia and NATO isn't impossible. It's possible, but it won't be a war that NATO will start or the USA will start. If it starts at all, it will be Pootin who will make the first move. There have been flash-points in the last few years, but cool heads on our side prevailed. That might not be the case forever.

It's just that war is unlikely, because Pootin isn't crazy. Any war would be very short, sharp and sweet affair if anything because it would turn out to be quite one sided after a short time. Sure the Russians will cause damage, but in the end, they just will not be able to cope. It is in Russia's interest that a war does not occur. Neither NATO or Russia will go Nuclear. That prospect is pure fantasy. In all likelihood, Russia will start begging for peace talks and a way out to save face, and that will be something NATO and the West would in all likelihood accommodate. It's not in our interests for such a war to go long and protracted either.

I was referring to Russia being much stronger than Turkey. The actual reality is that Russia is just stronger than Turkey but certainly not much stronger. Turkey will give Russia a blood nose and a black eye. In fact, I believe that Turkey will defeat the Russians if attacked. But I agreed that Russia is much stronger just to keep you happy. My point though was that whilst Turkey's military capabilities are substantial, Turkey is still only one NATO member. There are 28 others, and some are powers in their own right - Italy, Spain, France, UK, and Germany for instance. Even Greece and Turkey are quite strong and considered good middle powers. Do not under-estimate Greece either. They are quite strong in their own right.

I was trying to explain that a country with higher GDP has more ways of financing a long and protracted war than a poor country of low GDP. They also have a greater manufacturing base to sustain their military with the materials and equipment necessary to keep them going. WW2 was a good example of this. The USA was instrumental in WW2 and you could even say had manufactured its way to victory in Europe and the Pacific.

The USA for instance just has a massive industrial capacity and can sustain themselves far better than Russia can and that is a huge advantage. It is however unlikely there would ever be a long and protracted war. Any war in my opinion would not be something that the Russians can seriously entertain under any circumstances whatsoever. They do not have the capability or the power to fight the West and expect to win and because of that, the Russians will only undermine themselves and risk everything. They will end up eating their arseholes and sucking their thumbs. Sorry!

All you can say about the Russians is that they are just strong enough to have a great deterrence from Western Power. That is basically it. But they are in no position to fight the West and expect to win.

Paphits don't try to convince me who will win, because I am not buying your hypothesis that someone would win.
My firm opinion is that any war between the US/Nato and Russia will end up nuclear and nobody will win.
I am not a supporter of Russia, but having the means to watch what the West (lead by the USA) is currently doing, in trying to control the whole word, in provoking Russia, as well as other countries like China, is not something that I approve on the first place, and secondly increases my concerns about the future of this planet. It has nothing to do with western "democratic values" it's just a plan to control the whole world at stage one, and then the individuals at stage two, for the benefit of just a handful of elitists.
To be honest however this is not my greatest concern either, because imo the possibility of that happening is low. For the sake of comparison let's say this possibility is 2%)

My biggest concern is the possibility of the total collapse of the international financial system that will undoubtedly start from the US.
This country owns trillions and cannot sustain it's dept and the standard of living of it's citizens unless she engages in new wars ad infinitum. However new wars started getting hard to find, and don't seem very sustaining to the US Industrial -Military complex..
Again for the sake of comparison this possibility is imo about 50% of happening within the next 30 years.

My personal interest in discussions about various current issues concerning Russia, is not to defend Russia per se. It's just to challenge your (and other's) absolute beliefs about the omnipotence and benevolence of the West.

[Paphitis]

General, you can not possibly consider yoir views as well balanced.
For starters you are consumed with an immeasurable hatred for Russia. You can not even bring your self to spell their Presidents name correctly.
Nobody can possibly take you seriously.
You seem to forget that any views expressed on this forum are personal, you on the other hand seem to be attributing your comments as if you were the slightest bit involved. You are not, just an armchair general. Do please note that the entire world knows the name of the Russian President is Putin, so stop this fucking bullshit, you sound Pathetic !!

Pf course I spell Pootin's name correctly.

Now let me tell you something. I don't have even the slightest hatred for Russia or its people. On the contrary, I think the majority of Russians are nice. Not all of them. Manyof the wealthy Russians in Cyprus are not very nice people at all. But generally speaking, Russians are nice as are nice people in all nationalities.

What I hate about Russia (and I mean the Government and current political class) is their international behavior and Pootin's totalitarianism. The kinds of behaviour I hate are things like:
1) Russia's illegal annexation of South Ossetia and invasion of Georgia,
2) Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea,
3) Russia's involvement in the shooting down of MH17 and not doing the right thing and at least admit to the error,
4) Russia's support for one of the most brutal tyrants (Assad)in human history,
5) Russia involving itself with terror groups like Hezbollah,
6) the disruption Russia did by sending an Armada to Australia whilst he was in Australia during the G20,
7) and probably a few other things to boot such as Chechnya

My dislike of Pootin applies as a result of these and other things.

There are many other things one would dislike Pootin for. He is a totalitarian dictator. There is no free press in Russia at all. In fact, journalists go missing should they be found to not tow the Kremlin's line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j ... _in_Russia

I do not dislike Russia for anything else. On the contrary, before Pootin, Russia was even looking at becoming a NATO member. That is the kind of thing I support but it will never be possible with Czar Pootin now since he is going the opposite way. In fact his behavior is very odd. It is the kind of behavior you would expect from a someone with grandiose nostalgia of the USSR. He even admitted at one time that the downfall of the USSR was a huge travesty. And yet he today portrays himself as Orthodox when the USSR would persecute this Church as policy.

I do not have any personal hatred for any country. I look at all the facts and they way countries treat their citizens and behave internationally and make my assessment. And sorry to say, but Russia isn't respected internationally other than a few rogues now, like Iran and Syria.

[Paphitis]

Don't kid yourself. A war between Russia and NATO isn't impossible. It's possible, but it won't be a war that NATO will start or the USA will start. If it starts at all, it will be Pootin who will make the first move. There have been flash-points in the last few years, but cool heads on our side prevailed. That might not be the case forever.

It's just that war is unlikely, because Pootin isn't crazy. Any war would be very short, sharp and sweet affair if anything because it would turn out to be quite one sided after a short time. Sure the Russians will cause damage, but in the end, they just will not be able to cope. It is in Russia's interest that a war does not occur. Neither NATO or Russia will go Nuclear. That prospect is pure fantasy. In all likelihood, Russia will start begging for peace talks and a way out to save face, and that will be something NATO and the West would in all likelihood accommodate. It's not in our interests for such a war to go long and protracted either.

I was referring to Russia being much stronger than Turkey. The actual reality is that Russia is just stronger than Turkey but certainly not much stronger. Turkey will give Russia a blood nose and a black eye. In fact, I believe that Turkey will defeat the Russians if attacked. But I agreed that Russia is much stronger just to keep you happy. My point though was that whilst Turkey's military capabilities are substantial, Turkey is still only one NATO member. There are 28 others, and some are powers in their own right - Italy, Spain, France, UK, and Germany for instance. Even Greece and Turkey are quite strong and considered good middle powers. Do not under-estimate Greece either. They are quite strong in their own right.

I was trying to explain that a country with higher GDP has more ways of financing a long and protracted war than a poor country of low GDP. They also have a greater manufacturing base to sustain their military with the materials and equipment necessary to keep them going. WW2 was a good example of this. The USA was instrumental in WW2 and you could even say had manufactured its way to victory in Europe and the Pacific.

The USA for instance just has a massive industrial capacity and can sustain themselves far better than Russia can and that is a huge advantage. It is however unlikely there would ever be a long and protracted war. Any war in my opinion would not be something that the Russians can seriously entertain under any circumstances whatsoever. They do not have the capability or the power to fight the West and expect to win and because of that, the Russians will only undermine themselves and risk everything. They will end up eating their arseholes and sucking their thumbs. Sorry!

All you can say about the Russians is that they are just strong enough to have a great deterrence from Western Power. That is basically it. But they are in no position to fight the West and expect to win.

Paphits don't try to convince me who will win, because I am not buying your hypothesis that someone would win.
My firm opinion is that any war between the US/Nato and Russia will end up nuclear and nobody will win.
I am not a supporter of Russia, but having the means to watch what the West (lead by the USA) is currently doing, in trying to control the whole word, in provoking Russia, as well as other countries like China, is not something that I approve on the first place, and secondly increases my concerns about the future of this planet. It has nothing to do with western "democratic values" it's just a plan to control the whole world at stage one, and then the individuals at stage two, for the benefit of just a handful of elitists.
To be honest however this is not my greatest concern either, because imo the possibility of that happening is low. For the sake of comparison let's say this possibility is 2%)

My biggest concern is the possibility of the total collapse of the international financial system that will undoubtedly start from the US.
This country owns trillions and cannot sustain it's dept and the standard of living of it's citizens unless she engages in new wars ad infinitum. However new wars started getting hard to find, and don't seem very sustaining to the US Industrial -Military complex..
Again for the sake of comparison this possibility is imo about 50% of happening within the next 30 years.

My personal interest in discussions about various current issues concerning Russia, is not to defend Russia per se. It's just to challenge your (and other's) absolute beliefs about the omnipotence and benevolence of the West.

I am not trying to convince you of anything. What I say should just be common sense. Russia does not have the military might to deliberately go to war with the West. Just because they have Nuclear Weapons does not at all justify them going to war with the West, because the Nuclear option isn't a viable one. Any use of Nuclear Weapons will result in the complete destruction of Russia and Pootin knows that. The US also knows that Nuclear weapons are likely to fall on its cities. This is the deterrance and why no one will entertain the Nuclear option because they know that it is likely to guarantee their mutual destruction.

But a short and sharp conventional war isn't an impossibility. It just might be unlikely. I do not believe that Pootin is crazy or dumb. I believe he knows very well where Russia stands militarily and that it is likely he will be defeated in a direct confrontation. Hence why he is banking on Obama's lack of will with regards to Syria. You remember he delayed going into Syria because he knew that if American was going to go in, then there was no way for him to do anything. He decided to go into Syria very late in the piece and the Americans went in 3 months after that.

Now, no one is saying the West is omnipotent. The USA is however far more strong than Russia and then you need to weigh up all the allies and NATO members. The American technology isn't inferior to Russian technology either, In fact, if you or anyone was to do a fair appraisal on paper, you would come to the realization that Russia isn't even in the ballpark. The only way they can get America is by using Nuclear Weapons, nut they will not do that because they would be destroyed within hours. The Nuclear Scenario is one of the biggest fantasies going round, and there are lots of drama queens in this world and you might be one of them. But no one that has a brain or any logic whatsoever will ever consider the Nuclear option as viable.

In addition, the West is not provoking Russia. You also mention China. We are not provoking China either. I presume you are referring to the South China Sea. The West first of all, has pretty good political and trade relations with China. We get on with them much better than we do with Russia in fact. Australia and China are even best friends. No country in the West wants a war with China.

But the West is protecting the UNCLOS International Agreement of which Turkey and China are the only non-signatory States. All of China's neighbors are signatories. China, is building artificial islands in international High Seas and then claiming an EEZ and thus ripping off Japan, South Korea, Philippines, Malaysia, Thailand, and Vietnam of their International UNCLOS Rights. Australia, new Zealand and Singapore have vital trade routes through the South China Sea. Hence, the West is exercising its Freedom of navigation and contesting China's illegal claims. There is nothing wrong with that at all. China's neighbors have rights and we are helping them safeguard those rights and just because China is stronger than its neighbors doesn't mean they have the right to do what they want and violate International Law.

Otherwise, the omens for Greece and Cyprus are very bad as well. There are parallels.

[Robin Hood]

The problem with your hypothesis is that YOU have never shown me to be wrong and it gets up your nose! I certainly have apologised if I make a mistake or misunderstand another members post.

Ohhh! I was out of this but just cant resist.

Firstly - please highlight when you have ever, in 8 years, apologised for anything (apart from total trivia) - to anybody. I am all ears. Does it come alongside the admissions that you were wrong?

That of course includes your normal habit of going off forum and winding up third parties to be aimed in my direction. Black day? Want me to post your lovegrams?

How about:

The US "secretly" used a nuclear bomb in Fallujah.

The Israelis "secretly" used a nuclear bomb in Syria.

The Syrians have captured 24 NATO soldiers.

The Syrians don't have any chemical weapons.

The Syrians have chemical weapons but - not many.

Regarding the Syrian's chemical weapons, the commas and full stops in the accusations are all wrong.

MH17 was deliberately dragged off it's flight path in order for a Ukranian fighter to shoot it down. I am familiar with the cannon shot traces.

I am a member of some secret Mossad, Israeli set-up that does Zionism on the net. Well most on here can see what you mean and would probably agree.

The Americans blew up the Twin Towers in Manhattan, killing 3500 people, in order to spend trillions of $ to rob Iraq of it's oil.

The world is actually being run by a super-rich, elite (illuminate), that control the banking system . They're Jews (I won't call them that though. I will call them "Zionists") and they stole my money!. They're referred to as - The New World Order. Ask Hitler if you want the details.

The Skripals were suffering from simple food poisoning. Or, was it a failed suicide attempt?

Every single NATO missile unleashed on Syria, ever, has been contemptuously shot down. Yawn!

Well, I've got a lot more of this totally paranoid shite, 8 years actually, but - it's gettin' late.

You think you are some sort of expert on anything you,tap-tap-tap but certainly in things where I have a bit of experience you come across as a gormless idiot. Is that "libelous"?

And - although - "traitor" is by far too strong a word I can visualise a situation where that might actually apply. Waving your Russian flag, as the UK aircraft go down. All grudge based.

Twat.

Yeah, yeah, yeah .... whatever!

[Robin Hood]

Maybe the USS Donald Cook event and the loss of all those Tomahawk missiles on two raids on Syria, got them thinking. So the US DoD has back engineered the ‘Death Star Death Beam’!!! Good job for the US DoD that they do have people capable of critical thinking. All they needed to do ....... just what the Russians did in the Black Sea and twicein Syria.

Now will you and Londonrake APOLOGISE to those of us that obviously got it right and were subject to your ridicule? Sheds a different light on the missing 71 + 36 missiles that never made it to their target in Syria!

The Pentagon Is Making a Ray Gun to Stop Truck Attacks

The Defense Department’s Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Program, or JNLWD, is pushing ahead with a new direct energy weapon that uses high-powered microwaves to stop cars in their tracks without damaging the vehicle, its driver, or anyone else.

Official US DoD Video ................

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/04/pentagon-making-ray-gun-stop-truck-attacks/147702/?oref=d-river

No doubt the US will claim the credit for this as a US invention. but the Russians have a large lead in this technology and have proved their success in the field, not on a car park or a boating lake! They can stop Aegis Class destroyers and cruise missiles with their 'Death Ray'. A WAY TO GO USA?

[Paphitis]

Or just maybe, you are a Russia Pootin apologist and believe in flying pigs and the Death Star Death Ray Lazer.

[Pyrpolizer]

My dislike of Pootin applies as a result of these and other things.

There are many other things one would dislike Pootin for. He is a totalitarian dictator. There is no free press in Russia at all. In fact, journalists go missing should they be found to not tow the Kremlin's line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j ... _in_Russia

It's funny how concluded that Russia is a Totalitarian regime because of it's low record on free press without even caring to compare it with other countries.
The fact is that it's freedom of press is slightly better than that of Turkey's which is a NATO member, and even better/or about the same than major non-NATO allies of the United States.
Saudi Arabia ranks at the bottom yet the Americans nearly bow to the Saudis.... who in fact are one of their biggest allies
It looks cherry picking is a favorite sport for all US apologists.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

[Pyrpolizer]

Or just maybe, you are a Russia Pootin apologist and believe in flying pigs and the Death Star Death Ray Lazer.

You mean this Dr Evil guy is not really cute?