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[Sotos]

We all know what that possible "solution" is (the 99% of it) and we either support it or reject it.

Do you mean BBF (bi zonal, bi-communal, federation) ?

No, "BBF" is just a vague term. I am talking about the specific content of this BBF of which we already know the 99%. For example, is there any point of me arguing that the land distribution should be based on the percentage of land ownership when we already know that it is agreed to be 29% TC, plus or minus 0.5%? It is more than obvious that your side will not accept a percentage which is significantly lower from what I consider extremely unfair. The same goes with power sharing where Anastasiades has already agreed to what is unacceptable to me, but your side is asking for even more. Same with the Settlers where it has been agreed that all of them will stay, either with citizenship or with work permit.

It is more than clear that this BBF, with the content it has acquired the last years, is not a unification that would unify land and people but a disguised partition... a "marriage of convenience" (for TCs) where everything is kept separate under a thin surface of pretend unity. And since no amount of debate between us can change this all I can do is to reject any such "solution" since the prospect of an acceptably good and functional BBF is already dead.

[B25]

We all know what that possible "solution" is (the 99% of it) and we either support it or reject it.

Do you mean BBF (bi zonal, bi-communal, federation) ?

No, "BBF" is just a vague term. I am talking about the specific content of this BBF of which we already know the 99%. For example, is there any point of me arguing that the land distribution should be based on the percentage of land ownership when we already know that it is agreed to be 29% TC, plus or minus 0.5%? It is more than obvious that your side will not accept a percentage which is significantly lower from what I consider extremely unfair. The same goes with power sharing where Anastasiades has already agreed to what is unacceptable to me, but your side is asking for even more. Same with the Settlers where it has been agreed that all of them will stay, either with citizenship or with work permit.

It is more than clear that this BBF, with the content it has acquired the last years, is not a unification that would unify land and people but a disguised partition... a "marriage of convenience" (for TCs) where everything is kept separate under a thin surface of pretend unity. And since no amount of debate between us can change this all I can do is to reject any such "solution" since the prospect of an acceptably good and functional BBF is already dead.

Just based on what you said Soto, it is clear and obvious that we cannot go that route, yet there are those amongst us that still push for this so called BS 'uniteCyprusNow' milaki.

Then they don't like to be called traitors!, Go figure.

[Pyrpolizer]

We all know what that possible "solution" is (the 99% of it) and we either support it or reject it.

Do you mean BBF (bi zonal, bi-communal, federation) ?

No, "BBF" is just a vague term. I am talking about the specific content of this BBF of which we already know the 99%. For example, is there any point of me arguing that the land distribution should be based on the percentage of land ownership when we already know that it is agreed to be 29% TC, plus or minus 0.5%? It is more than obvious that your side will not accept a percentage which is significantly lower from what I consider extremely unfair. The same goes with power sharing where Anastasiades has already agreed to what is unacceptable to me, but your side is asking for even more. Same with the Settlers where it has been agreed that all of them will stay, either with citizenship or with work permit.

It is more than clear that this BBF, with the content it has acquired the last years, is not a unification that would unify land and people but a disguised partition... a "marriage of convenience" (for TCs) where everything is kept separate under a thin surface of pretend unity. And since no amount of debate between us can change this all I can do is to reject any such "solution" since the prospect of an acceptably good and functional BBF is already dead.

Absolutely!!
i pointed out long time ago that Anastasiades is actually working towards partition.
His so called "concessions" are nothing less than capitulation aiming at either forcing the GCs to vote "No" once again, or in the unlikely event they would vote "yes" to get a state that would split within 6 months.
When the matter of guarantees was raised at Grans Montana, Turkey was actually expecting him to say OK no problem, like he did during the Annan Plan. I think the only reason he retreated is because he probably received too much reaction from the nationalists of his own party.
He will come back though to give us the final blow.

[Pyrpolizer]

We all know what that possible "solution" is (the 99% of it) and we either support it or reject it.

Do you mean BBF (bi zonal, bi-communal, federation) ?

No, "BBF" is just a vague term. I am talking about the specific content of this BBF of which we already know the 99%. For example, is there any point of me arguing that the land distribution should be based on the percentage of land ownership when we already know that it is agreed to be 29% TC, plus or minus 0.5%? It is more than obvious that your side will not accept a percentage which is significantly lower from what I consider extremely unfair. The same goes with power sharing where Anastasiades has already agreed to what is unacceptable to me, but your side is asking for even more. Same with the Settlers where it has been agreed that all of them will stay, either with citizenship or with work permit.

It is more than clear that this BBF, with the content it has acquired the last years, is not a unification that would unify land and people but a disguised partition... a "marriage of convenience" (for TCs) where everything is kept separate under a thin surface of pretend unity. And since no amount of debate between us can change this all I can do is to reject any such "solution" since the prospect of an acceptably good and functional BBF is already dead.

Just based on what you said Soto, it is clear and obvious that we cannot go that route, yet there are those amongst us that still push for this so called BS 'uniteCyprusNow' milaki.

Then they don't like to be called traitors!, Go figure.

You can't even split the hay between two donkeys μαννο κικκιρε!
Yes go figure who the REAL traitors are. There are two kinds. Your kind are the naive ones
The other are those who will fkyou with an anesthetic.

[B25]

We all know what that possible "solution" is (the 99% of it) and we either support it or reject it.

Do you mean BBF (bi zonal, bi-communal, federation) ?

No, "BBF" is just a vague term. I am talking about the specific content of this BBF of which we already know the 99%. For example, is there any point of me arguing that the land distribution should be based on the percentage of land ownership when we already know that it is agreed to be 29% TC, plus or minus 0.5%? It is more than obvious that your side will not accept a percentage which is significantly lower from what I consider extremely unfair. The same goes with power sharing where Anastasiades has already agreed to what is unacceptable to me, but your side is asking for even more. Same with the Settlers where it has been agreed that all of them will stay, either with citizenship or with work permit.

It is more than clear that this BBF, with the content it has acquired the last years, is not a unification that would unify land and people but a disguised partition... a "marriage of convenience" (for TCs) where everything is kept separate under a thin surface of pretend unity. And since no amount of debate between us can change this all I can do is to reject any such "solution" since the prospect of an acceptably good and functional BBF is already dead.

Just based on what you said Soto, it is clear and obvious that we cannot go that route, yet there are those amongst us that still push for this so called BS 'uniteCyprusNow' milaki.

Then they don't like to be called traitors!, Go figure.

You can't even split the hay between two donkeys μαννο κικκιρε!
Yes go figure who the REAL traitors are. There are two kinds. Your kind are the naive ones
The other are those who will fkyou with an anesthetic.

Still no argument. papse re.

[Get Real!]

You can't even split the hay between two donkeys μαννο κικκιρε!
Yes go figure who the REAL traitors are. There are two kinds. Your kind are the naive ones
The other are those who will fkyou with an anesthetic.

The immature idiot is YOU Pyro… fantasizing a Cypriot utopia comprised of Christians and Muslims with criminal and abusive Turkey as the umpire!

Your “naivety” may well be some kind of perverted homosexual sadomasochistic tendency that only Freud can interpret.

[Pyrpolizer]

Still no argument. papse re.

What no argument ηλιθιε?
When you can't even recognize the traitors who will drive you to OFFICIAL partition and loss of half your country what do you expect me to do?
After it's all over and SIGNED you and the other μαννουι go liberate your country, but don't come back asking me who screwed you

Did you know that people close to Anastasiades approached Akinci for the purpose of getting his view on agreed partition?
Did you know that Anastasides publicly suggested them to drill for Hydrocarbons in the occupied "EEZ"?

[B25]

Still no argument. papse re.

What no argument ηλιθιε?
When you can't even recognize the traitors who will drive you to OFFICIAL partition and loss of half your country what do you expect me to do?
After it's all over and SIGNED you and the other μαννουι go liberate your country, but don't come back asking me who screwed you

Poios en o ilithios re, vlaka, the Turks have already got half the country and you still think you own it!!! Partition is what we already have only it is idiots like you that will sign the bottom line and legalise it, shame on you and your kind.

Did you know that people close to Anastasiades approached Akinci for the purpose of getting his view on agreed partition?
Did you know that Anastasides publicly suggested them to drill for Hydrocarbons in the occupied "EEZ"?

I couldn't 2 Fks what Ananstasiades said or did, he is the biggest T of them all. Why do you mention him to me like he is one of mine??? Seems the two of you are suited to each other.

[B25]

You just continue to validate what I said earlier, that the GCs are willing to trash their own in favour of the Turks, but you won't see your Turk buddies doing it theirs. I am vindicated and this is why we still have the Cyprob and why Turkey is still here, assholes like you embolden them to be so.

Give it a rest, your kind are well and truly documented.

[erolz66]

It is more than clear that this BBF, with the content it has acquired the last years, is not a unification that would unify land and people but a disguised partition... a "marriage of convenience" (for TCs) where everything is kept separate under a thin surface of pretend unity. And since no amount of debate between us can change this all I can do is to reject any such "solution" since the prospect of an acceptably good and functional BBF is already dead.

I do 'feel' what you are saying about what is 'known' about a 'possible' solution. However for me, that the things you outline above as being the know parameters of the solution as our 'leaderships' are currently negotiating are not my own personal parameters for a solution. I personally still have an appetite for (adult) discussion about these 'personal' solutions and in 'spaces' that are specifically not just ones of only 'like minded people'.

Re the above and "under a thin surface of pretend unity" I can see arguments that would say even this is better than the definite partition we currently have and creates a chance of such a state being pert of a progression to a 'real' unity.