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[Pyrpolizer]

That is an excellent analysis and it contains precisely the same sentiment as one I posted some time ago when there was a certain amount of controversy about with regard to the 'Indian and Pakistani populations in the UK.

My position was, that subsequent to the end of the 'Raj' period (when the populace of India was advised that 'Queen Victoria' was the 'Mother' of the nation and that 'Great Britain' was her homeland) the downtrodden remnants of the nation that had been robbed of it's wealth and resources, came home to 'Mum'.

I agree that the initial act of enslaving the African was an awful enterprise in the first place AND, the end result probably the only outcome one could expect due to the fact that 'Revenge' is a great sweetener to those who suffer oppression, good luck to them with bells on BUT, the descendants (some of them and in particular the 'Trousers down brigade') and allied forces are, in my opinion, seeking to exact their vengeance in the wrong direction.

It is a mistake to generalize and I may have fallen foul of such a mistake on account of the disgust I feel for the way in which hitherto respectable communities seem to have deteriorated on account of the influences imposed upon them by the descendants of 'Slavery' and, it is not 'Racist' to object to such issues.

I recall an incident (which I posted some time ago) when a young 'Descendant' snatched a gold chain from the neck of a Lady in a market place and ran off, the Lady hurled a tirade of 'Racist Abuse' after him and I advised her that "He is only taking back that which belongs to his ancestors, there are no 'Gold Mines' in England", and those are the exact words I relayed to her......Fact.

I am not a racist BUT, neither am I prepared to accept that I must live my life treading on eggshells for fear that I might offend some person (or 'PC' pundit) because I wish to speak my mind or convey my feelings, I AM presumably a 'Law-breaker' each time I exercise my own right to do so, there are millions like me.

There are of course exceptions to those I have classified above, thousands upon thousands of them BUT, on account of the protection given to them courtesy of the 'Great British PC Brigade', they too are suffering the consequences of their (not so well presented) counterpart's behaviour.

Hence my comment regarding the mistake of 'Abolition', sadly, it would appear that it WAS a mistake due to the repercussions we now witness, it would appear that having started something without considering the probable end product, we must indeed accept the consequences, not much we can do about it now, as has been stated by 'Enoch Powell' (a politician who was laughed at for his pronouncement)......."It's Too Late".

This is a social phenomenon Schnauzer, similar things happen all over the world, here in Cyprus there's not a single house in my neighborhood that hasn't been robbed by the Rumanians. Last August 15 (holy Virgin's day ) we went up the Kykkos Monastery, and when we returned my security camera had recorded an unknown car entering the drive way, a small boy around 6 years old getting out of the car coming straight to my door and ringing the bell. It was a clear check of whether the tenants were on holidays. We got alerted for the whole week...
I called the police and the refused to even come have a look because the car's license plate numbers were not very clear on camera.
They told me I don't have a case because I was not robbed. As if the last time I was actually robbed they did anything...
Rumanians are white though and damn clever.

It's not a matter of people's colour. It's a matter of poverty and injustice. We have to live with it.

I understand how you feel though.
Could you please clarify what you mean by " they are...seeking to exact their vengeance in the wrong direction"?
Is their a right direction to extract it, and if yes what is it?

[Schnauzer]

That is an excellent analysis and it contains precisely the same sentiment as one I posted some time ago when there was a certain amount of controversy about with regard to the 'Indian and Pakistani populations in the UK.

My position was, that subsequent to the end of the 'Raj' period (when the populace of India was advised that 'Queen Victoria' was the 'Mother' of the nation and that 'Great Britain' was her homeland) the downtrodden remnants of the nation that had been robbed of it's wealth and resources, came home to 'Mum'.

I agree that the initial act of enslaving the African was an awful enterprise in the first place AND, the end result probably the only outcome one could expect due to the fact that 'Revenge' is a great sweetener to those who suffer oppression, good luck to them with bells on BUT, the descendants (some of them and in particular the 'Trousers down brigade') and allied forces are, in my opinion, seeking to exact their vengeance in the wrong direction.

It is a mistake to generalize and I may have fallen foul of such a mistake on account of the disgust I feel for the way in which hitherto respectable communities seem to have deteriorated on account of the influences imposed upon them by the descendants of 'Slavery' and, it is not 'Racist' to object to such issues.

I recall an incident (which I posted some time ago) when a young 'Descendant' snatched a gold chain from the neck of a Lady in a market place and ran off, the Lady hurled a tirade of 'Racist Abuse' after him and I advised her that "He is only taking back that which belongs to his ancestors, there are no 'Gold Mines' in England", and those are the exact words I relayed to her......Fact.

I am not a racist BUT, neither am I prepared to accept that I must live my life treading on eggshells for fear that I might offend some person (or 'PC' pundit) because I wish to speak my mind or convey my feelings, I AM presumably a 'Law-breaker' each time I exercise my own right to do so, there are millions like me.

There are of course exceptions to those I have classified above, thousands upon thousands of them BUT, on account of the protection given to them courtesy of the 'Great British PC Brigade', they too are suffering the consequences of their (not so well presented) counterpart's behaviour.

Hence my comment regarding the mistake of 'Abolition', sadly, it would appear that it WAS a mistake due to the repercussions we now witness, it would appear that having started something without considering the probable end product, we must indeed accept the consequences, not much we can do about it now, as has been stated by 'Enoch Powell' (a politician who was laughed at for his pronouncement)......."It's Too Late".

This is a social phenomenon Schnauzer, similar things happen all over the world, here in Cyprus there's not a single house in my neighborhood that hasn't been robbed by the Rumanians. Last August 15 (holy Virgin's day ) we went up the Kykkos Monastery, and when we returned my security camera had recorded an unknown car entering the drive way, a small boy around 6 years old getting out of the car coming straight to my door and ringing the bell. It was a clear check of whether the tenants were on holidays. We got alerted for the whole week...
I called the police and the refused to even come have a look because the car's license plate numbers were not very clear on camera.
They told me I don't have a case because I was not robbed. As if the last time I was actually robbed they did anything...
Rumanians are white though and damn clever.

It's not a matter of people's colour. It's a matter of poverty and injustice. We have to live with it.

I understand how you feel though.
Could you please clarify what you mean by " they are...seeking to exact their vengeance in the wrong direction"?
Is their a right direction to extract it, and if yes what is it?

A very good question to pose and I will try to explain MY thoughts on the matter.

Before I do so, I will cite an incident which took place whilst I was visiting a friend of mine, a very nice chap from the West Indies and Father to a small family of one Son and one Daughter who were both carefully reared by both He and his Wife.

The Daughter had left home and married quite well, She is a nurse at the North Middlesex Hospital in Edmonton London, as far as I am aware, She has a nice home and a Husband who also works in some capacity at the same Hospital (I am not sure of his occupation).

The Son also left home at the age of about 17 years of age, He works (but I do not know His occupation) and there is seemingly nothing to suggest that His job is anything but an honest one, however, during the course of my visit (week-end) the Son came to visit His Father, I was sitting in the lounge and heard the conversation which took place at the front door .

The Father greeted His Son by loudly remonstrating with Him about the manner in which He was dressed upon visiting His Parents, He furiously demanded that His Son should go back to His home and dress properly before presenting Himself to the household.

I did not see what the boy was wearing and I did not pursue the matter but I DO know that my friend felt shame for the way in which His Son disrespected both Himself and the household by appearing in such "Fashion"......which was the word used but not really discussed, although I later learned that it was 'trendy at the time'.

This man, my friend, must have had a Grandparent (or maybe Grandparents) who were bonded in 'Slavery' but I have never discussed the subject with Him although I know by His surname that such must be the case.

My friend initially became a 'Tailor', he moved on to study 'Civil Engineering', passed all the required examinations and also has a side-line business in 'Motor Spares', He is financially very secure and is respected by all his neighbours and is altogether a 'Model Citizen' of the UK... I would that everyone was like Him.

As to your question, I feel that (in part) my recollection above is a fairly good representation of my meaning when I suggest that (in MY opinion) they are exacting
vengeance in the wrong direction precisely because they (I refer to the younger descendants) are constantly demeaning their own Parents by introducing all the negative qualities aforementioned, better they should seek to impress upon society (wherever they may choose to reside) that they are determined to succeed in life and, by so doing (when successful) cause people to fully appreciate the fact that success and respect in life is for everyone BUT, you have to earn it.

Finally, remonstrance is NOT 'Racism', it goes beyond origin, colour, nationality or whatever, when applied in tandem with unseemly conduct. I cannot be a 'Racist' since my OWN origins/Parentage are and have been subjected to the same disparagement as that of so many other persons of so many other places on this earth.

[Pyrpolizer]

As to your question, I feel that (in part) my recollection above is a fairly good representation of my meaning when I suggest that (in MY opinion) they are exacting
vengeance in the wrong direction precisely because they (I refer to the younger descendants) are constantly demeaning their own Parents by introducing all the negative qualities aforementioned, better they should seek to impress upon society (wherever they may choose to reside) that they are determined to succeed in life and, by so doing (when successful) cause people to fully appreciate the fact that success and respect in life is for everyone BUT, you have to earn it.

Very nicely explained. Thank you.
i will dare raise this question though:
What if they don't have the mental ability to excel?
They are forced to live in an environment where the vast majority will never make it, and that would make them feel bad and react in a hostile manner.
Do I look racist myself now?
Well I happen to beleive each race has different abilities. Ok, I might be racist then

[Schnauzer]

As to your question, I feel that (in part) my recollection above is a fairly good representation of my meaning when I suggest that (in MY opinion) they are exacting
vengeance in the wrong direction precisely because they (I refer to the younger descendants) are constantly demeaning their own Parents by introducing all the negative qualities aforementioned, better they should seek to impress upon society (wherever they may choose to reside) that they are determined to succeed in life and, by so doing (when successful) cause people to fully appreciate the fact that success and respect in life is for everyone BUT, you have to earn it.

Very nicely explained. Thank you.
i will dare raise this question though:
What if they don't have the mental ability to excel?
They are forced to live in an environment where the vast majority will never make it, and that would make them feel bad and react in a hostile manner.
Do I look racist myself now?
Well I happen to beleive each race has different abilities. Ok, I might be racist then

Now you touch upon another issue, there are those who advocate that the groups we are focused on here are quite below par as far as education is concerned, in fact there are special schools throughout the UK which have been set up precisely to deal with such assumptions. A good plan on the face of it BUT, it does create further problems simply because other races regard such focus as 'Favouritism' and unfortunately, some of the participants in the plan (those who prefer to stay in fashion) are not quite as enthusiastic as their peers. It therefore spotlights differences between races, a classic example would be a comparison twixt the (general) tendency of the Asian pupil and the Caribbean.

Wrong again to generalize BUT, there is a marked discord (from that which I have observed) between these two races (although the former is far older than the latter) and it could be argued that the 'Family Unit' is stronger in the Asian community. That would also be quite understandable since the 'Family Unit' was not encouraged in the times of 'Slavery' which saw the birth of the 'Caribbean'.

The more one delves into the problems of co-existence, the more one discovers other problems which might interfere with progress and it is a shame that WE of the modern world must face the consequences of the misdeeds perpetrated by our forebears.

Most 'Nationalities' have their own traditions, they are fine if they are left alone. One might be inclined to say that the manner in which the descendants of 'Slavery' conduct themselves IS there own tradition, possible ?, they did invent various musical instruments, dances, expressions gestures etc BUT, how does one integrate them into new society's when it seems that they also brought with them (or found solace in) the (originally sociable) use of home grown drugs ?.

Back to the educational idea, a good one perhaps but again BUT. ... back to 'Enoch Powell'....."It's too Late".....and I'm afraid I don't know.

[Get Real!]

This Forum , not so long ago, was a vibrant and entertaining place where one could spend a little leisure time, there were members who were dedicated to whatever cause or agenda they chose to participate in and 'IT WAS FUN'.

If you need instructions to the forum’s exit door feel free to ask Schnauzy...

Oh and you can take your so-called “fun contributions” with you. Thanks.

[Schnauzer]

It's like a car park in Israel, you can't get in and when your in you can't get out, it's plotzing.

[Schnauzer]

Not wishing to get too involved in the debate regarding the Russian involvement (or lack of) the poisoning affair, I am prompted by your reference to the 'Brainwashing ' of the military personnel to make some observations which might lessen the impact of such an assumption that 'Soldiers are Automatoms'.

My own career in the military, opened my eyes to realities both within and without the services to such an extent that I became far more conscious of the fact that (both militarily and politically) the entire process of serving the nation (or whatever) is specifically designed to ensure that those serving should NEVER be completely aware of the true purpose of their required dedication to duty.

Only with the passing of time does one come to understand that the objectives of military service are invariably subject to agendas beyond the reach of the common serviceman/woman who are generally convinced that they are doing the right thing by obeying the commands of their (as they see it ) superiors.

Might I suggest that such is not so 'Cut and Dried' in these troubled times ?, I have witnessed many changes in the attitudes of military personnel when they are called upon to embark upon active campaigns against new enemies, there often seems to be an amount of questioning going on and, looking back over the years, many are convinced that whatever the outcomes, the ordinary citizens will receive no benefits at all as they risk their lives.

Time was when the lower ranks were more fearful of their officers than they were of their perceived enemies, the 'First world War' is a good example of that and the pages of history are littered with similar circumstances in many other places where the military muscle is flexed.

My own view is that nowadays, fortunately, service personnel are more apt to consider the courses of action they are undertaking, it's no fun to march boldly into the unknown and offer your life as forfeit for some ill-conceived plan to control or destroy other societies, particularly (or even especially) when the cause of action is discovered to be either a misjudgment or even a political concoction.

No, I think the modern serviceman/woman is a little more robust in their ability to analyse that which is going on, maybe they value their lives a little more somewhat, hopefully the ability will expand and the true agendas given a little more consideration in the future......'Peace on Earth' perhaps.......doubt it BUT, one may only hope.

[yialousa1971]