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[Get Real!]

The industry calls it “Ajax” or “Ajax calls” and I accept it, and I’m not gonna waste my time arguing with non-programmers <-- (and that’s the funniest part) as to the how or why.

This is ridiculous guys so cut it out and move on to something interesting.

[Get Real!]

I may actually write a search engine just to bust your balls again Sotos…

And when you see it action; fetching accurate results, you’ll pull out your keyboard and shove it down your throat to finish it all!

So, if you’ve got kids better let me know now so I don’t drive you to suicide.

[Sotos]

The industry calls it “Ajax” or “Ajax calls” and I accept it, and I’m not gonna waste my time arguing with non-programmers <-- (and that’s the funniest part) as to the how or why.

This is ridiculous guys so cut it out and move on to something interesting.

Only newbies would call http requests initiated from the backend as "AJAX". And what makes you a programmer? You have no degree in computer science or anything related nor you ever had a job as a programmer or anything related. Plugging a video card on a motherboard or formatting a drive and installing Windows on it is not "programming".

[Sotos]

I may actually write a search engine just to bust your balls again Sotos…

And when you see it action; fetching accurate results, you’ll pull out your keyboard and shove it down your throat to finish it all!

So, if you’ve got kids better let me know now so I don’t drive you to suicide.

The only way you can do a search engine is (a) to install an open source one, in which case it will be crap as its algorithms will be nowhere near as good as Google's and you will not even have a tiny fraction of the number of pages that Google has in its index or (b) to use a service that delivers the results and you doing just the input box to enter the search and then formatting the results that are given to you. In this case the results could be good depending on the service (even Google has an API to supply search results) but in neither case you would be "writing a search engine" (the bots, the algorithms, the database etc) because you are not capable of doing that

[erolz66]

The person who claimed he can make a better search engine than Google, on his own, in a year, ....

For what it is worth I actually wish GR well in his endeavours, be it creating an alternative browser, or creating a new search engine. It is not hard for me to imagine, back in the day, someone 'poo pooing' the idea that Sergey Brin and or Larry page were going to create a new kind of internet search engine that would topple the then giants like altavista and yahoo.

However the idea that what Sergei and Larry did in terms of creating a better search engine was anything to do with 'code' per se, or the 'quality' of it, is to me ridiculous. What they did imo, that 'change the game' in terms of search engines and that now seems simple and obvious after they did it was not about code. It was about thinking about and understanding 'relationships' between 'search terms' and the places those terms could be found on the internet in general. Before google all search engines basically crawled the internet and 'said' a website that has the word 'Cyprus' in it 20 times is more relevant to someone searching the term 'Cyprus' than a website that had the word 'Cyprus on it 5 times. What Sergei and Larry realised could essentially be summed up as realising that 'quality' mattered as well as and more than 'quantity'. After realising this they then worked out a practical means of introducing 'quality' in to the equation. Instead of just looking at site individually and counting up how many times a given search term was matched on that site, they started looking at relationships between sites and factoring how many times a given site that matched a given term was itself linked to by other sites and used by them as a reference about that term, and use this information to rank sites in terms of 'quality' - the page rank metric. All this now seem pretty plain an obvious but back then it was revolutionary. I clearly recall the first time I heard about and used google as a search engine rather than altavista or yahoo or the other options around. From that very first use it was plainly obvious that it returned to me much more relevant sites for any given term I searched on than any of the competitors. Sergei and Larry did not write better code than altavista, with its thousands of employees. They had better ideas than altavista. This was all 'clever'. What was imo 'genius' was how Sergei and Larry then 'monetised' this temporary advantage they had gained by having better 'ideas'.

As for GR's browser, like I say I wish him well but I have not used his browser nor is it likely I will do so any time in the foreseeable future. I simply do not trust it enough to use it. Any executable code I run on my machine could in theory do anything. It is potentially like giving someone 'team viewer' access to my personal machine, the keys to the kingdom so to speak. Sure I could try out GR's browser in a 'sand boxed' environment but I see not reason to be arsed to do that to be honest. Life is too short for me to bother doing that. Nor is it a case that I 'trust' google or Sergei or Larry more than I trust GR. It is the case that chrome, unlike GR's browser will have been looked at and continue to be looked at by 100 and 1000s of people who can and do have the ability and skill to 'disassemble' the code and if it was say putting in a back door trojan on those machines it was installed on, that would be discovered. GR's has no such 'independent testing' as far as I am concerned. If and when he ever gets it to a stage where one of the 'players' that do such things 'validates' it as 'safe' to install and use, then I may then think about giving it a spin because I know GR but before that I would no more try it than give GR the keys to house.

As far as browsers go I personally am not looking for, or want or need 'the best' browser. I just want one that is 'good enough' if I am honest. I use chrome as my default 'daily driver' browser but I also have IE and Edge and if something on a given website does not work how I imagine it should then my first reaction is to try IE or edge. I also have firefox and opera installed on my daily machine but more as means of reference in order to be able to help other people with problems they may be having with a specific browser than any other reason.

[Get Real!]

The industry calls it “Ajax” or “Ajax calls” and I accept it, and I’m not gonna waste my time arguing with non-programmers <-- (and that’s the funniest part) as to the how or why.

This is ridiculous guys so cut it out and move on to something interesting.

Only newbies would call http requests initiated from the backend as "AJAX". And what makes you a programmer? You have no degree in computer science or anything related nor you ever had a job as a programmer or anything related. Plugging a video card on a motherboard or formatting a drive and installing Windows on it is not "programming".

Well you’d better start PRAYING to all Gods (including your imaginary ones at Olympus) that I’m qualified Sotos, because if I’m not while having written countless complex software packages in my life what would that say about YOU claiming to be qualified yet having absolutely nothing to show for it?

Oh dear… one might ask if you were taking your brain to Uni or if you were forgetting it on the pillow each morning!

[Get Real!]

I may actually write a search engine just to bust your balls again Sotos…

And when you see it action; fetching accurate results, you’ll pull out your keyboard and shove it down your throat to finish it all!

So, if you’ve got kids better let me know now so I don’t drive you to suicide.

The only way you can do a search engine is (a) to install an open source one, in which case it will be crap as its algorithms will be nowhere near as good as Google's and you will not even have a tiny fraction of the number of pages that Google has in its index or (b) to use a service that delivers the results and you doing just the input box to enter the search and then formatting the results that are given to you. In this case the results could be good depending on the service (even Google has an API to supply search results) but in neither case you would be "writing a search engine" (the bots, the algorithms, the database etc) because you are not capable of doing that

I recall you saying something similar about me writing a browser some years ago…

[Get Real!]

As for GR's browser, like I say I wish him well but I have not used his browser nor is it likely I will do so any time in the foreseeable future. I simply do not trust it enough to use it. Any executable code I run on my machine could in theory do anything. It is potentially like giving someone 'team viewer' access to my personal machine, the keys to the kingdom so to speak. Sure I could try out GR's browser in a 'sand boxed' environment but I see not reason to be arsed to do that to be honest. Life is too short for me to bother doing that. Nor is it a case that I 'trust' google or Sergei or Larry more than I trust GR. It is the case that chrome, unlike GR's browser will have been looked at and continue to be looked at by 100 and 1000s of people who can and do have the ability and skill to 'disassemble' the code and if it was say putting in a back door trojan on those machines it was installed on, that would be discovered. GR's has no such 'independent testing' as far as I am concerned. If and when he ever gets it to a stage where one of the 'players' that do such things 'validates' it as 'safe' to install and use, then I may then think about giving it a spin because I know GR but before that I would no more try it than give GR the keys to house.

What could you possibly have on that hard disk that would warrant such ridiculous precautions that you can’t even take a portable program for a spin?

For the love of God, what is wrong with you people…

[erolz66]

What could you possibly have on that hard disk that would warrant such ridiculous precautions that you can’t even take a portable program for a spin?

Is that a serious question ? To me it is like asking 'what could you possibly have in your house that would make you at all concerned at giving the key to it to a near total stranger'. But if you want some specifics, any executable code I run on my PC, be it 'portable' or not could install, hidden and in the back ground, a key logger, that looks for and records and reports back to some unknown source my passwords and account details for not just my email accounts but also my bank accounts and a whole host other things. It could install a remoter trojan that would allow my machine to be used as a zombie machine to launch DOS attacks (and to sell the service of launching DOS) attacks. It could potentially do anything that a 'virus' could do. It could encrypt and lock my machine under demand for payment to unlock it. Even if it does none of these things I would still have to trust that you would not use your browser as a means of tracking what website I visit and use that information in the pursuit of some personal grudge you might have against me should you feel like it. Or by publishing my porn collection.

The approach I take to ANY executable code I run on my machine is to, by default, not trust it unless and until I have some reason to trust it. That millions of other people use it is a 'reason' to trust it imo. Having it rated and judge as 'virus free' by some suitable third party would be reason to trust it. That you 'wrote' it is, for me, not I am afraid 'good reason' to trust it. Such an approach I would claim is a sensible one that all users of personal computers should adopt. Just like having locks on the doors to your house and using them when you are not there and not giving the keys away to strangers is a sensible approach.

Here is some advice for you GR that your ego probably will not allow you to appreciate but I am going to offer anyway. If you have any real pretensions of turning your 'hobby' into a 'business' then try thinking on this. I am a potential 'customer' of your browser. I raise concerns about it and your response to me is 'what could I possible have on my hard disk that would warrant me having concerns'. This is may not actually be the best response in such circumstances.

[Get Real!]

One word… paranoia.

Erol, you can press [Ctrl+Alt+Del] at any moment and you should be able to see if a keylogger or some other unwarranted program in running in memory as well as the opportunity to highlight it and select “End process” …I mean come on… this is Windows user 101 knowledge!

Amazingly everyone visits porn sites and no problems there... but testing a portable program written by an acquaintance... oh no call the Feds!