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[Robin Hood]

I may not be a computer expert, in fact barely computer literate but I noticed this happening months ago!

OpEdNews Op Eds 4/21/2018 at 14:54:22

Google Continues its Attack on Alternative Media, Boosting Top-down MSM

Google is leaving the roots that made it a success-- using bottom-up algorithms that based search results on the behaviors of millions of people.

Google has been changing its search criteria so it favors top-down mainstream media, while hurting alternative media Under the guise of addressing the problems with "fake news," Google has used it's almost monopoly search engine position to decimate search results for bottom-up, grassroots alternative media. I don't have evidence to prove it, but I believe that this is exactly what the biggest mainstream media want-- to take out their bottom-up competition.

What would a Google attack on a website look like? Because Google is a search engine, an attack would deprecate the search result rank of a website. Google doesn't attack websites or people directly. They do it by modifying their algorithms. That means they change the weighting of factors that they consider in ranking a site. Google uses hundreds of different factors to assess site rank. Factors include number of links in to the site from other sites, security of the site (Https sites are favored over http sites, for example,) freshness of content, number of visitors to the site, to name a few
Imagine that a website had search results that put it at the top of the first page results. Deprecation would put it at the bottom of the first page or on the second, third or even 20th page.

The rest of the article ..........

https://www.opednews.com/articles/Google-Continues-its-Attac-by-Rob-Kall-Algorithm-Algorithmic_Corporation-Google_Media_Media-Attacks-180421-893.html

[Get Real!]

Robin,

Myself and other programmers *could* write a search bot and set up a dedicated server to produce a good search engine that doesn’t cheat so as to liberate the world from the evil Google empire, but the world is so dumb they’d still continue using corporate cheaters regardless of the abuse they receive… so I for one, am not gonna waste another year on planet Bozo with yet another complex project.

I’ve come to the realization that what we have and get on this planet is exactly what we as a community, deserve.

If browsers and search engines lie and cheat it’s only because the majority of the world’s population are liars, cheaters and deceivers.

Maybe in a next life; when Man will hopefully be more intelligent, we’ll do things better…

[Paphitis]

Google is just doing whast the people want. pages are ranked according to their popularity.

Alternative sites are not ranked highly and thus are down the rankings.

There is also a problem with Fake News emanating from places like Russia and other Eastern and Balkan States which need to be buried.

Google isn't doing anything wrong. They also favour sites which give them the best advertising return. They are making money as all search engines try to do apart from a couple which claim to be non profit - like Duck Duck Go.

Duck Duck Go is good but it has its limitations. For instance, if you are looking for a product to buy, you are probably better off using Google because they got the marketing side all sussed.

[Robin Hood]

Google is just doing whast the people want. pages are ranked according to their popularity.

Alternative sites are not ranked highly and thus are down the rankings.

If that were true I would have no problem with GOOGLE, but it isn't ..... you obviously, once again, expound your opinion with neither sufficient knowledge or even bothering to read and learn from the article!

There is also a problem with Fake News emanating from places like Russia and other Eastern and Balkan States which need to be buried.

Most of the so called 'Fake News' appears to emanate from the Western (English speaking) MSM sources and as you demonstrate anything Russian is the current target of the MSM and Western governments. If your only source is the MSM for what is going on in the conflicts in this world, you are being sadly misled. Although I doubt you will read it, I received this update this morning:

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/04/23/msm-is-frantically-attacking-dissenting-syria-narratives-and-it-looks-really-bad/

Compare that with the post on the problems being created by GOOGLE and the fact that even I have seen it happening over time, something which you deny, a pattern of malicious intent is immerging. Your much vaunted 'free speech' is disappearing .... fast. The independent news sources and real independent investigative journalism is very clearly under attack. Then ask yourself why! If it is all just propaganda most people have become very adept at looking at multiple sources and making their own minds up. You (and others ) are prepared to accept just what you are told in journals you know will tell you what you want to hear!

Google isn't doing anything wrong. They also favour sites which give them the best advertising return. They are making money as all search engines try to do apart from a couple which claim to be non profit - like Duck Duck Go.

I agree, they are not doing anything legally wrong but they have changed the algorithm's to do just what you suggest they do and more. Again, if you were to read the article, this is not the principal they created the Google empire on. If a Google search worked as it did say 12-18 months ago it would be fine for me because it looks at what suits me, not what complies with the official account and/or suits Goggle and their share holders.

Duck Duck Go is good but it has its limitations. For instance, if you are looking for a product to buy, you are probably better off using Google because they got the marketing side all sussed.

I use the Internet for information, entertainment and communication. I rarely buy anything on there!

[Sotos]

Myself and other programmers *could* write a search bot and set up a dedicated server to produce a good search engine that doesn’t cheat

"A dedicated server"?? To have the amount of bots that Google has (which are required to give good, fresh results) and to handle that kind of massive traffic, you would need several data centers spread around the world, not "a dedicated server". Also writing a search bot that can compete with Googles isn't easy at all. For example Google's is one of the few which can run and understand the results of Javascript. Others don't this because it is much harder and it would require a lot more processing power for their bots, which they don't have. So in order to have a product that can compete with Google you would need to invest 100s of millions and only then your only problem will be to convince people to switch to your search engine, which will probably require 100s of millions more in marketing in order to get a bit of market share.

Here is one of Google's Data centers. Obviously Google has a lot more services than just the search engine, but still:

[Get Real!]

Your post is irrelevant to search engines Sotos.

The Google data centers have nothing to do with search engines. You should look beyond Google like Duck-Duck and other even smaller names, as a clue to see if such a thing is doable.

A headless bot that constantly visits IPs from a supplied database to return sets of [URL + Title + Description] to a dedicated server is no big deal… it’s not nuclear physics.

Oh wait, to you even paragraphing is nuclear physics!

[Sotos]

A headless bot that constantly visits IPs from a supplied database to return sets of [URL + Title + Description] to a dedicated server is no big deal… it’s not nuclear physics.

Sure... anybody can do a shitty, useless search engine that nobody uses... and the way you describe how you imagine that a search engine works shows that you are clueless (no surprises here). The best you could is to download a ready made open source search engine written by somebody else and put a bit of UI around it. That would not make you the next Google or anything even remotely competitive.

According to Duck Duck Go: "We both run our own servers and have servers on Amazon EC2 across the world." So even for Duck Duck Go (which can NOT compete with Google) it is not just "a dedicated server".

[Get Real!]

A headless bot that constantly visits IPs from a supplied database to return sets of [URL + Title + Description] to a dedicated server is no big deal… it’s not nuclear physics.

Sure... anybody can do a shitty, useless search engine that nobody uses... and the way you describe how you imagine that a search engine works shows that you are clueless (no surprises here). The best you could is to download a ready made open source search engine written by somebody else and put a bit of UI around it. That would not make you the next Google or anything even remotely competitive.

According to Duck Duck Go: "We both run our own servers and have servers on Amazon EC2 across the world." So even for Duck Duck Go (which can NOT compete with Google) it is not just "a dedicated server".

It is VERY doable Sotiraki… and you’d better believe it.

I just don’t want to spend another year of labour and $2-3 thousand in hardware plus annual expenses, out of my own pocket.

[Get Real!]

Lots of bots paid my site a visit today including:

* Unknown robot (identified by 'bot*')
* Unknown robot (identified by hit on 'robots.txt')
* Unknown robot (identified by empty user agent string)
* Yandex bot
* Unknown robot (identified by 'spider')
* Google AdSense
* Googlebot
* Unknown robot (identified by 'robot')
* SeznamBot
* MJ12bot
* Unknown robot (identified by 'crawl')
* Python-urllib
* Mail.ru bot
* Sogou Spider

Do you think all the above authors have a Google-like data center to aid them?

Some are just Uni students slaving away from some dormitory for Christ's sake...

[Sotos]

A headless bot that constantly visits IPs from a supplied database to return sets of [URL + Title + Description] to a dedicated server is no big deal… it’s not nuclear physics.

Sure... anybody can do a shitty, useless search engine that nobody uses... and the way you describe how you imagine that a search engine works shows that you are clueless (no surprises here). The best you could is to download a ready made open source search engine written by somebody else and put a bit of UI around it. That would not make you the next Google or anything even remotely competitive.

According to Duck Duck Go: "We both run our own servers and have servers on Amazon EC2 across the world." So even for Duck Duck Go (which can NOT compete with Google) it is not just "a dedicated server".

It is VERY doable Sotiraki… and you’d better believe it.

I just don’t want to spend another year of labour and $2-3 thousand in hardware plus annual expenses, out of my own pocket.

Google makes billions of profits every year. If you could get something even remotely close by just spending a year and a few thousands then you would do it. The reason you don't want to spend that amount of time and money is because you know the result will be crap, nobody will use it, and your time and money will be totally wasted.