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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:13 pm

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The fact s, the UK got attacked by a State Actor. Now, most of the Western World believe that this State Actor is Russia and it isn't hard at all to come up with such a determination. Russia would be the only country in the world with a reason to assassinate Skripal. North Korea or Iran just wouldn't give a damn about Skipral as its no skin off their back.

Also, the agent used seems to have its origins from Russia and be unique to them according to the scientific claims.



The only factual evidence is that an ex Russian traitor has been poisoned with a nerve agent.
The rest is just in your imagination and the food they serve you.
I imply to you that the UK had reasons of it's own to poison him.
Start thinking why the UK demanded he was delivered to them at the 2010 "exchange". He was not even a British National !!
Why would the UK want a Russian citizen imprisoned in Russia for treason be delivered to her? What did he know to make him so important?
Here's a clue Paphitis: The reason he was poisoned by the UK itself was because once a traitor ALWAYS a traitor.


If you want to think out of the square, Western Nations have just expelled 150 Russian Diplomats and they are accusing them of being spies.

People like Skripal, are extremely valuable! They are worth their weight in gold. It is believed that we all got tip offs as to who were the spies from within Russia's embassies and they were sent home. Information that probably comes from individuals such as Skripal.

No, to kill Double Agents like Skripal, would be akin to cutting the nose off your face. I know that Australia regularly volunteers to grant asylum to Russian Spies and not only does it do that, but it marries them off, puts them on a lifetime salary and they get looked after with pretty plum jobs and many even work for the Department of Defence or other Defence Contractors or directly for Intelligence.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:16 pm

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GreekIslandGirl wrote:Some of the reasons why the UK is being a jerk:

1. Boris and May are distracting Putin (putting him on the defensive world stage) so that, in the background, Turkey can continue its invasion of Afrin and ethnic cleansing of Kurds in Syria. Putin is in the spotlight and attacking Turkey is likely to receive a worse reaction now than before.

2. Putin was coming into the fold, doing trade deals with Merkel and the EU. Peace was about to reign. The UK's long-term agenda has been to destroy the EU because it is the main competitor of their ally, the petrodollar. [They tried this before in other ways by supporting to get Turkey into the EU; but, there was too much EU resistance.]

3. The UK feels there is a need to destroy the rest of world in order to cover up quite how devastating the Brexit will be for Britain when it is finalised next year.

4. The Tories have recently done some massive weapons trade deals with the Saudis and this is how they will get the conveyor belts rolling again to keep selling Britain's prime exports ... weapons, guns, war machinery and ... devastation! Shameful.

Just a few late night thoughts ....


Excellent GIG, despite been some late night thoughts.
Glad to see there are still people in the forum who can see beyond their nose!
is it true that the STG hit a record low Vs the US$ yesterday?


The opposite actually. It's just shy off from its 1 year peak so the STG is going great guns. STG is 1.42 USD! :lol:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:26 pm

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The fact s, the UK got attacked by a State Actor. Now, most of the Western World believe that this State Actor is Russia and it isn't hard at all to come up with such a determination. Russia would be the only country in the world with a reason to assassinate Skripal. North Korea or Iran just wouldn't give a damn about Skipral as its no skin off their back.

Also, the agent used seems to have its origins from Russia and be unique to them according to the scientific claims.



The only factual evidence is that an ex Russian traitor has been poisoned with a nerve agent.
The rest is just in your imagination and the food they serve you.
I imply to you that the UK had reasons of it's own to poison him.
Start thinking why the UK demanded he was delivered to them at the 2010 "exchange". He was not even a British National !!
Why would the UK want a Russian citizen imprisoned in Russia for treason be delivered to her? What did he know to make him so important?
Here's a clue Paphitis: The reason he was poisoned by the UK itself was because once a traitor ALWAYS a traitor.

Well said, I can see you are using your logic unlike the guy who told us that the " attack by Russia" on the UK is equivalent to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour !!!
We are still not any wiser as to the number of fatal casualties sustained following the .....Russian chemical attack on the UK !!!
This was an attack against one or two people one of whom a double agent.It was not in any way an attack on the millions of British people. Idiots, including the Clown FS claim this absurd nonsense.


Well, the both of you have very similar intellects I must say. Not very inspiring or endearing to granting anyone any level of confidence that either of you are capable of common sense or logic and yet you seem to use the word somewhat wrongfully.

Yes, this was an attack against Britain. An attack that has never been seen since WW2. So yes, the analogy with Pearl Harbour or the London Blitz is somewhat accurate. Remember, this nerve agent is also capable of poisoning an entire city. Much like an F22 can probably wipe out an entire block, but is used to hit just the one house for whatever reason. An attack on a country's sovereignty is a very serious and grave violation of International law and a very grave escalation and an Act of War. This is EXACTLY what this is.

It is an act that can not go unanswered because if it does, we are granting impunity to Pootin for his blatant disregard for Britain's sovereignty and peace and stability. People can be very thankful that at this stage, Western Countries have only responded by expelling Russian diplomats/spies and not acted in kind.

And the notion that the UK or the West would kill one of their own agents, and one as valuable as Skripal is just extremely ludicrous.

Yes, it is very understandable that 23 or more countries have condemned Russia for this attack and have already expelled some 150 Russian spies between them working through their embassies around the world.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:36 pm

Parts IV and V of the Curious (Skripal) Incident ………

A Curious Incident Part IV

It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts.” ....... Sherlock Holmes

Theresa May and the Dodgy Statement to Parliament

On Monday March 12th 2018 Theresa May rose in the House of Commons and made the following statement:
“It is now clear that Mr. Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a military-grade nerve agent of a type developed by Russia.”

How did May know this to be true?

On March 14th, the Times published a letter from Stephen Davies, Consultant in emergency medicine with the Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust. Davies asserted “no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury” and directly contradicted the assertion the Prime Minister made to the House of Commons.

Davies is a clinician directly involved in the treatment of the 3 poisoning victims. These three are understood to be Sergei and Yulia Skripal and Detective Bailey. As a physician, Davies has a duty of care imposed upon him in law. This duty requires him to at all time act in the best interests of a patient under his care.

If you deliver medical treatment, you have the responsibility to ensure the injury diagnosis is correct, that the treatment delivered is appropriate to the diagnosis, and that you do no harm to your patient.

On Monday, May tells the world the poison was a nerve agent.

On Wednesday, the treating physician publicly states: “no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury.”

How is it possible for May to know more than the treating physician?

Continues .........

https://thesaker.is/a-curious-incident-part-iv/



A Curious Incident Part V

“The world is full of obvious things which nobody by any chance ever observes.” ........ Sherlock Holmes

The End

Let us begin where it all ends. In the Graveyard. This is the London Road Cemetery located just a few miles to the North of central Salisbury. Image A is a picture of the entrance as seen from the London Road. Note that there are no gates, no means of closing the cemetery grounds to vehicle traffic, no signs to prohibit entry.

Continues .......

https://thesaker.is/a-curious-incident-part-v/

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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:06 pm

just to put things into perspective.

One of the reasons why there are many Russian defections to the West is just that. You have countries like Australia, USA and UK offering them plum Government Jobs for life in defence or Intelligence.

I mean seriously. How much would a Russian Intelligence Officer earn - about 200 Euros per month? Maybe 300 if they are lucky. Remember, Russia has a GDP about half of that of Greece. We well delve into that later.

When they defect, they got it made. They get their 6 figure salary for life + superannuation. They get free Health care. Probably even gifted a house and car. They get a lot of benefits. Who wouldn't defect from Russia to Australia? A Russian spy just needs to walk into an Australian Embassy and tell them who they are and that they request asylum and the big red carpet fit for Queen Elizabeth is rolled out. They get treated better than any citizen. It's like winning LOTTO!

Now let's have a look at Russia's GDP:

Russian GDP = 1.522 Trillion USD / 10,630 per capita nominal / population 145 million
Turkey GDP = 905 billion USD / 11,124 per capita nominal / population 81 million
Greece GDP = 222 Billion USD / 21,000 per capita nominal / population 11 million
Australia GDP = 1.390 Trillion USD / 57,000 per capita nominal / population 25 million
USA GDP = 20.199 Trillion USD / 62,000 per capita nominal / population 330 million
UK GDP = 2.565 Trillion USD / 38,000 per capita nominal / population 66 million

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I mean seriously folks. Even Turkey is a stronger country than Russia is economically. :lol:

Sorry, I won't make fun of them. That's because desperate people like Pootin are very dangerous and can cause a lot of problems. His military is also fairly strong and capable. But if they want a war with us, they would not even be able to stand on their 2 feet and sustain it. They only thing they can do is go for their nukes and that would be devastating for the entire globe, but it will also mean the end of Russia guaranteed.

But as I told you all before. Russia IS NOT a superpower in the true sense. They are like the little short bloke with small man's syndrome. I am not being ridiculous about it because that is what they are. A little pimple stain or an annoying little rash in our crotch area.

USA IS a superpower in every sense.

And an emerging superpower in every sense is CHINA not Russia.

But the Chinese are a lot smarter than than Pootin. The Chinese are engaging the West through business and trade and through the markets and the corporate rooms and the money just keeps going round and for as long as the money goes round, everything will be ok and no one will have any wars. That's because money talks and when it lines your pocket, you just shut the fuck up!
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:20 pm

Paphitis wrote:If you want to think out of the square, Western Nations have just expelled 150 Russian Diplomats and they are accusing them of being spies.


Are you trying to tell me they always knew that they were spies but couldn't find any better excuse to expel them, other than presumably side by the UK for the Skripal case? Nice one Paphitis. :wink: :lol:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:22 pm

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Paphitis wrote:If you want to think out of the square, Western Nations have just expelled 150 Russian Diplomats and they are accusing them of being spies.


Are you trying to tell me they always knew that they were spies but couldn't find any better excuse to expel them, other than presumably side by the UK for the Skripal case? Nice one Paphitis. :wink: :lol:


They really don't need any excuse to expel them. In fact, any country is able to expel all of them at their whim if need be, and also close down their Embassies in that country. but that is a serious escalation in itself.

No excuses or reasons required. A country can even just say they are expelling all Russian Diplomats just because but that would be childish.

It really seems quite pointless in killing a top Double Agent which is probably very important to Britain so that we can all expel Russian diplomats when we could already do that and cite a number of reasons as to why we are doing it. We can just even accuse them all of espionage whether they were spies or not.

I do not know what our Intelligence Services know and that will probably never be revealed for 50 or so years. We might have known some things, and we might have been tipped off from Double Agents like Skripal. Or we could be falsely accusing these Russian Diplomats as being spies when in actual fact they are no such thing other than an authentic diplomat. We could be doing it to send Pootin a message and a warning. But yes, their embassies do have spies as do all of our embassies overseas. Our embassies in Cyprus even have spies.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:38 pm

Paphitis:
If you want to think out of the square (you mean box?), Western Nations have just expelled 150 Russian Diplomats and they are accusing them of being spies.


Accusation and proving it are two different aspects of a crime. The UK has yet to PROVE anything, which goes to show the NATO affiliated nations (not Western Nations) have all jumped the gun!

People like Skripal, are extremely valuable! They are worth their weight in gold. It is believed that we all got tip offs as to who were the spies from within Russia's embassies and they were sent home. Information that probably comes from individuals such as Skripal.


Bullshit! Skripal is of no value he was drained years ago by both the UK and Russia. You surely are not stupid enough to believe the Russians would let him go if he had any intelligence of value to them or indeed, a threat to them. They would have killed him. But he could well have been a threat to the UK’s MI6 or the CIA, or even the US Deep State, with his involvement with the Steele Dossier and the Trump campaign! (Take your own advice .... try thinking outside the box.)
No, to kill Double Agents like Skripal, would be akin to cutting the nose off your face. I know that Australia regularly volunteers to grant asylum to Russian Spies and not only does it do that, but it marries them off, puts them on a lifetime salary and they get looked after with pretty plum jobs and many even work for the Department of Defence or other Defence Contractors or directly for Intelligence.


Well you would of course know that with all your high level of political, intelligence and military connections? :roll:

Well, the both of you have very similar intellects I must say. Not very inspiring or endearing to granting anyone any level of confidence that either of you are capable of common sense or logic and yet you seem to use the word somewhat wrongfully
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At least they have ‘intellect’ which you very clearly don’t. You are what is known as a useful idiot just like the other 90%+ of the MSM informed population. They both display a capability to apply both logic and common sense ..... you just display brain washed Western extremism.
Yes, this was an attack against Britain. An attack that has never been seen since WW2. So yes, the analogy with Pearl Harbour or the London Blitz is somewhat accurate. Remember, this nerve agent is also capable of poisoning an entire city. Much like an F22 can probably wipe out an entire block, but is used to hit just the one house for whatever reason. An attack on a country's sovereignty is a very serious and grave violation of International law and a very grave escalation and an Act of War. This is EXACTLY what this is.


It was an attack by persons unknown, against a Russian has-been spy who sold out his own country, very likely was the cause of the death of many Russian agents and was rewarded by the UK. It was an attack on an individual ...... and neither you or anyone else, including the security agencies knows much more than that. They just decided to bash Russia/Putin with no evidence.(Never push a Diamond Back rattler into a corner .... is very good advice)

It is an act that can not go unanswered because if it does, we are granting impunity to Pootin for his blatant disregard for Britain's sovereignty and peace and stability. People can be very thankful that at this stage, Western Countries have only responded by expelling Russian diplomats/spies and not acted in kind.


Somebody has yet to prove Putin or Russia had anything to do with this. It is all speculation from people like you, that could be pushing the World that much closer to its destruction every single day. Boost the dumb asses confidence to believe they are invincible and an idiot like you will want to demonstrate how tough they are and decide to poke the rattler and none of us will live long enough to kiss our arseholes goodbye!

And the notion that the UK or the West would kill one of their own agents, and one as valuable as Skripal is just extremely ludicrous.


So, smart guy, explain about Dr David Kelly, the UK expert on WMD .... which he told Blair that Saddam did not have! Or do you believe he committed suicide even though the results of the autopsy has been locked away for 30 years. Thinking outside the box ..... to me that says ‘somebody’ has something to hide! :?

Yes, it is very understandable that 23 or more countries have condemned Russia for this attack and have already expelled some 150 Russian spies between them working through their embassies around the world.


As I pointed out to you before, these countries are virtually all NATO or NATO affiliated countries. The other 90% of the worlds nations have not followed the UK/US/EU/NATO lead.

Paphitis, you never answer when challenged to explain your views, as I suspect that you don't really have a clue what you are talking about. So you ignore a challenge by spewing more self opinionated rubbish. The only person you impress is you! :roll: :lol:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:45 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:If you want to think out of the square, Western Nations have just expelled 150 Russian Diplomats and they are accusing them of being spies.


Are you trying to tell me they always knew that they were spies but couldn't find any better excuse to expel them, other than presumably side by the UK for the Skripal case? Nice one Paphitis. :wink: :lol:


I would also like to think that our Intelligence Communities would have a rough idea as to who the spies are.

I am not sure how it all works. but when Australia announced it was expelling Russian Consular Staff, the Government claimed that they were all undeclared spies. I find that terminology fascinating. And if they were undeclared spies, how did they find out about it?

Which has me wondering. Does this mean that it is ok for Russia to send spies as long as they declare them? I find that quite odd and strange.

I know that the media can get things wrong on a regular basis. Especially on very technical issues. For instance, whenever there is a plane crash, most media articles are an absolute pain to read. The innacuracies through sheer ignorance (mostly) on their part sometimes knows no bounds.

Why would Russia declare its spies to Australia? And if it does declare its spies, why would Australia allow them in?

Would Australia declare its spies overseas? I somehow doubt it! :roll:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:50 pm

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YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME DICK-HEAD!
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