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[Pyrpolizer]

Really Pyro?.

Yes really!
Apologies for forgetting to post the link.
https://refugee.ru/en/news/statistics-p ... f-in-2017/

[Pyrpolizer]

The other interesting thing, there are hardly any if not none, who seek asylum with Russia.

That folks tells us a lot already.

I wouldn't call an annual number of 125 thousands "none"

There are literally thousands of Russians that are applying for political asylum in the USA every year. And the numbers are increasing.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-increase ... 59435.html

What thousands? It's only about 2K and the majority are gays. (because of the new law against gays in Russia).

[Robin Hood]

Little by little the story unfolds as it invariably does ..... but the people who believe what they are told about this incident (much of it already debunked) will dismiss this as propaganda from the Kremlin promulgated through their ‘stooges’ and they will carry on believing the fairy story put out by the UK government.

But this ‘conspiracy theory’ is not from RT or Sputnik it comes from the American Herald Tribune ........

The Framing of Russia - By David Macilwain

October 15, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - On the first of May, the UK’s National Security Adviser Sir Mark Sedwill told MPs that the agencies he oversaw – MI6, MI5 and GCHQ – had no information on who was responsible for the attack on Sergei Skripal and his daughter two months earlier.

Three days later police searched the room in the City Stay Hotel used by “suspects” Ruslan Boshirov and Alexander Petrov, and took swabs which were “found to contain Novichok” by Porton Down. The police did not make this information public until September 6th, when they chose to break the story of the now notorious “Russian assassins”.

As I have speculated before, and as is now becoming increasingly clear, the “suspects” put in the frame by the UK government were evidently known to its intelligence agencies long before Mark Sedwill’s denial, and in fact before they even reached London, on their way, we are told ad nauseum, to hit the Skripals with toxic perfume.

Obviously that story is not true, but it now appears that the mission assigned to the unwitting Russian couple was much more than simply to be caught on CCTV in the vicinity of the elusive Skripals, and that they were a pivotal part of “Operation Nina” ** – both in the planning stages and in the extended “action phase”, currently playing out in the media and institutions of the Western world.

Full article .....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50448.htm


** 'Operation Nina' as explained by the American Herald Tribune .....

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50448.htm

[Paphitis]

The other interesting thing, there are hardly any if not none, who seek asylum with Russia.

That folks tells us a lot already.

I wouldn't call an annual number of 125 thousands "none"

There are literally thousands of Russians that are applying for political asylum in the USA every year. And the numbers are increasing.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-increase ... 59435.html

What thousands? It's only about 2K and the majority are gays. (because of the new law against gays in Russia).

That's right. And that is a lot Pyro.

There are hardly any that go the other way from our countries (i.e from USA or Britain and similar) and ask for asylum from the Russian tin pot. You would have to be insane to do such a thing.

The 2K that have asked for asylum are only to the USA as well. Other Russians have asked the UK, France, Germany, Australia and canada plus many more countries for asylum and the total number might even be over 10K per year.

[Paphitis]

Really Pyro?.

Yes really!
Apologies for forgetting to post the link.
https://refugee.ru/en/news/statistics-p ... f-in-2017/

These are refugees Pyro. I was not talking about refugees from war torn countries. Of course thousands of people might ask Russia for Asylum from Africa, Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Iran or Afghanistan.

What I am talking about is Russians asking for asylum from Western Countries. I know for a fact that in Australia there are a number of them who have been placed in key positions.

I remember a Russian Engineer working on Australian Military Grade Surveillance Aircraft and he was from the Russian Air Force. You work it out for yourself how a Russian military man ends up working on Australian Para Military Maritime Surveillance platforms under a British Defence Firm. This was an Australian Defence Contract for privately owned De-havilland Dash 8 Surveillance Platforms which required Australian Government Security Vetting and Clearances.

Plus he thinks Pootin is an arsehole and very dangerous.

[Pyrpolizer]

Really Pyro?.

Yes really!
Apologies for forgetting to post the link.
https://refugee.ru/en/news/statistics-p ... f-in-2017/

These are refugees Pyro. I was not talking about refugees from war torn countries. Of course thousands of people might ask Russia for Asylum from Africa, Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Iran or Afghanistan.

What I am talking about is Russians asking for asylum from Western Countries. I know for a fact that in Australia there are a number of them who have been placed in key positions.

I remember a Russian Engineer working on Australian Military Grade Surveillance Aircraft and he was from the Russian Air Force. You work it out for yourself how a Russian military man ends up working on Australian Para Military Maritime Surveillance platforms under a British Defence Firm. This was an Australian Defence Contract for privately owned De-havilland Dash 8 Surveillance Platforms which required Australian Government Security Vetting and Clearances.

Plus he thinks Pootin is an arsehole and very dangerous.

You said it yourself before: Money does the talking.
The Russian guy applies for asylum in Australia, he gets it, as long as he declares his life is in danger. Who's going to prove it?
The reason is because he has special credentials.

[Londonrake]

I should have clarified that my comment was mostly referring to rather the young to middle age people working for the Police or the Military,
Because even them eventually realize what is going on by watching their grown up children struggling out there. It usually happens about a decade before they retire. So I wasn't actually referring to LR knowing he retired from RAF. Imo he has his own views by conviction, like so many other people who are out of the security forces.

I am personally not supporting Russia per se. I criticize the West ( and in this case the UK) because I am familiar with their system.
Hell here in Cyprus we copy-paste nearly everything the UK does! I wish I knew more about the Russian system, but I know nothing to form a balanced view.

It's clear that, for some reason, both RH and myself are "bouncing" off you. Giving the unfortunate appearance of some sort of contest to win your favour. I don't believe though, in that respect, I've been sycophantic/ingratiating/obsequious. RH? You judge. If I think you're wrong, as in the Skripal drug dealer thing, I will say so.

I've known Mr Hood (as he calls himself in here) for a long time. We've followed each other across several forums. He's had a habit of evolving into a pariah on any - a fact lost on him. Not just because of his views - forums are rife with people who have provocative and often aggressively expressed viewpoints - but because of his obnoxious manner and absolute incapability of altering them. That, aligned to his inability to ever admit being wrong or apologising when he steps over the line. Which he has upon occasion with me. In 8 years I can't recall a single time when he's done either. That's rank arrogance or perhaps an indication of a fundamental, underlying insecurity.

Yes - I believe I speak my mind with conviction. Not, as promoted, some sort of brain-washed tool. A lot of Mr H's output is based upon grudge and simmering resentment. He is the archetypal "victim". Unfortunate things have happened in his life and he allocates blame, accordingly. I am bludgeon-proof and confront him. That makes me an occasional focus for his resentments and for that I have taken a hit, off forum. His obsessive and stereotypical view of Forces people (UK Forces I should say) is founded upon his ambition to be a pilot in the RAF being thwarted (he was a boy apprentice for a number of years). A similar motive exists for his hatred of Banks, allied to his thinly veiled (only Zionists you see) view of Jews. Fundamentally, he's anti-Semite. The Jewish bankers stole his money you see.

As far as Russia is concerned, I have nothing against the Russian people, per se. My concerns about the place are related to previous, very bad family experiences at the hands of dictators. However you dress it up, Vladimir Putin is a dictator. He exerts absolute control over all organs of the state. He's an ex cold war KGB man (propaganda being his speciality) and in my opinion irredeemably incapable of reforming. In such a situation everything depends upon the views of a single human being. Perhaps you can understand why that makes me very nervous. It's fundamentally a dangerous situation. There are checks and balances on the likes of Trump who, anyway, will be history in a matter of 2/6 years. Not at all the case with dictators like VP.

I will end this particular post by repeating something which I believe to be important in context - I apologise for the tedium. AFAIK, RH has NEVER, ONCE disagreed with absolutely anything that's originated from the Kremlin. He's echoed it faithfully and verbatim, defending it against any contrary views - to the death - slavishly and sometimes to the point of absurdity. This, from a man who accuses others of being incapable of "thinking outside the box" (whatever the fuck that means ). Total hypocrisy. Using his own words he is indeed a "Loony Left wing stooge, Putin loving, Kremlin/Russian Troll".

[Pyrpolizer]

Giving the unfortunate appearance of some sort of contest to win your favour.

I wouldn't call it "a contest to win MY favour" but a contest to win the favour of EVERYBODY who is watching.
Nothing strange with that.
It happens all the time in this forum when two people with diametrically opposite convictions fight each other.
They (including myself) feel there's an audience watching, and they try their best to convince the audience or to win the favour of the audience as you put it..

To be honest I usually enjoy it. Most forums are like that, and most discussions are by 50% fights on personal issues.
Any way you look at it, it's fun
All topics would be too boring without it..

[Londonrake]

Indeed. I think (TBH, at this time if the day I can't be assed to look it up) I dragged this thread out of the weeds some time ago, Skripal being pretty old hat, even by then. Since, it's generated a lot of heat and Mr H has come back from monthly broadcasts on Syria to his old form.

I recall doing something similar quite a while ago. North Korea IIRC. That all ended in tears. Not mine though.

[Paphitis]

Really Pyro?.

Yes really!
Apologies for forgetting to post the link.
https://refugee.ru/en/news/statistics-p ... f-in-2017/

These are refugees Pyro. I was not talking about refugees from war torn countries. Of course thousands of people might ask Russia for Asylum from Africa, Middle East, Iraq, Syria, Iran or Afghanistan.

What I am talking about is Russians asking for asylum from Western Countries. I know for a fact that in Australia there are a number of them who have been placed in key positions.

I remember a Russian Engineer working on Australian Military Grade Surveillance Aircraft and he was from the Russian Air Force. You work it out for yourself how a Russian military man ends up working on Australian Para Military Maritime Surveillance platforms under a British Defence Firm. This was an Australian Defence Contract for privately owned De-havilland Dash 8 Surveillance Platforms which required Australian Government Security Vetting and Clearances.

Plus he thinks Pootin is an arsehole and very dangerous.

You said it yourself before: Money does the talking.
The Russian guy applies for asylum in Australia, he gets it, as long as he declares his life is in danger. Who's going to prove it?
The reason is because he has special credentials.

Yes he applied for asylum or something like that and switched allegiance.

He didn't say his life was in danger unless you basically speak out in Russia as being against pootin then it could be. Just like all the journalists that just disappeared without trace or who were killed.

Australia didn't offer him the any money to apply for asylum. That is just insane. Why would they do that.

He just applied, and under international treaty Australia was obligated to offer protection as the Australian Government decided that it would be unsafe for this individual to be returned.

His credentials are not that special. He was just a Russian LAME - Licensed Aircraft Mechanical Engineer that needed to be retrained no less to meet Australian Standards.