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[Londonrake]

A General comment:

IMHO, the reality is that, with the advent of global Social Media, a new era's at hand – the age of emotion . Made up - and often ridiculously preposterous stories - now matter as much as hard statistics. Feelings and prejudices have become as convincing as facts, whilst biased perception is as valid as reality. In this age the old arguments - once defined by basic common sense - aren’t winning any more.

[Pyrpolizer]

A General comment:

IMHO, the reality is that, with the advent of global Social Media, a new era's at hand – the age of emotion . Made up - and often ridiculously preposterous stories - now matter as much as hard statistics. Feelings and prejudices have become as convincing as facts, whilst biased perception is as valid as reality. In this age the old arguments - once defined by basic common sense - aren’t winning any more.

Great summary LR. I couldn't agree more.
Considering the fact that both you and Paphitis concentrated on my guess than on the core issue, I for a minute thought you were talking about yourselves when you were saying "Feelings and prejudices have become as convincing as facts". How true huh?!!

I will try to remember that: Feelings and prejudices have become as convincing as facts. WOW.

That's the most sensible thing I ever heard in this forum. It applies to the whole forum.

I honestly and sincerely thank you. I am damn serious!

[Robin Hood]

LR:
I realize actually considering my view is an anathema to you but ......

I used ONLY UK Government official information to produce two timelines in some detail.

• One for the Skripal’s from around 0900 on 4/3/18 until they collapsed.

• One for the two assassin’s from their arrival in the UK, until they left the UK.

When the two are compared it showed that the the Skripal’s left the house at around 09:15, were off the RADAR until around 12:30 when they returned to The Shopping Mall.

The ‘assassins’ were NEVER in the right place at the right time! It would have to have been Salisbury either late evening of the 3/3/18 or at any time before 11:48 on the 4/3/18 ..... as they were having a party in London that night. They arrived Salisbury 11:48 on 4/3/18 a very short time before the Skripal’s returned and parked in the Mall, had a drink in a Pub and went to a restaurant for lunch.

Obvious conclusion ...... they were not the ones that spread the nerve agent, if indeed it was nerve agent.

That was the purpose of the thread ....... not discover what these two guys were doing if it wasn’t trying to kill Skripal. The PM shot her mouth off before checking the facts and has made a fool of herself and the UK. End of thread!

[Londonrake]

Firstly, my apologies for calling you dumb. I know, more than most in here that you're not. I believe that you are just a self-imposed prisoner of your particular life experiences.

Sorry, but I'm not interested in your timelines. Nor, any of your attempts to drag things down to the usual level where you strangle your opponents in obfuscating and contrived detail - until they, metaphorically speaking, slash their wrists. I think it's referred to as your "not seeing the wood for the trees". Occam's razor?

WRT the Skripal incident. The amount of accrued evidence, from quite a few sources, is IMHO overwhelming. The conspiracy theory now envelopes half a dozen nations. It far exceeds just about anything that you've offered in support of every "independent" site story that you've posted in your time. You're being hypocritical in that respect. Now, there's a novelty.

My earlier point is valid. Pyrpolizer (respect - generally) expressed the view that the two subject Salisbury Russians were basically Mafiosa drug dealers. Frankly, I think 99% of humanity would find that risible. Nevertheless, you immediately crowned it with the salutation "sensible contribution". That to me is a clear demonstration of the lengths you will go to in order to divert from actual events. Moreover, it highlights your deep-seated prejudices and usual impulse to defend your beloved Putin - regardless of any evidence (which you - as in countless threads - have absolutely no interest in at all) to the death.

[Londonrake]

End of thread!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuLgPGTYml4

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[Pyrpolizer]

My earlier point is valid. Pyrpolizer (respect - generally) expressed the view that the two subject Salisbury Russians were basically Mafiosa drug dealers.

Just to clarify it wasn't a view, it was a guess and I think I was clear about it right from the start.
I could produce up to 20 guesses if I were to check all published material on this incident.
All 20 of them would hardly have a 1:10 probability to include the truth.
If it were a view then I would have more than 50% confidence about it.

[Londonrake]

My earlier point is valid. Pyrpolizer (respect - generally) expressed the view that the two subject Salisbury Russians were basically Mafiosa drug dealers.

Just to clarify it wasn't a view, it was a guess and I think I was clear about it right from the start.
I could produce up to 20 guesses if I were to check all published material on this incident.
All 20 of them would hardly have a 1:10 probability to include the truth.
If it were a view then I would have more than 50% confidence about it.

A view which was immediately accepted by RH as "a sensible contribution".

With respect, it was anything but. The evidence that the Skripal incident was a rerun of the Litivenko assassination is overwhelming. Mr Hood posts a lot of stuff which is - TBH - bonkers and promotes it as self evidently true. He's a serial hypocrite and so fanatically prejudiced in his views as to basically make most of what he says questionable BS.

[Pyrpolizer]

I think what he credited as "sensible" were my thoughts that the way the British Government handled the case actually raises suspicion that they themselves knew the 2 Russians were not guilty of the Skripal poisoning .
But even on that he (RH) didn't agree completely.

In any case we will never learn, so what's the point?

[Paphitis]

I think what he credited as "sensible" were my thoughts that the way the British Government handled the case actually raises suspicion that they themselves knew the 2 Russians were not guilty of the Skripal poisoning .
But even on that he (RH) didn't agree completely.

In any case we will never learn, so what's the point?

When the Brits decided to act the way they did, it was in consultation with other countries. They would have got into some trouble if they unilaterally decided this on their own.

Immediately after, the Dutch Government released evidence and even CCTV footage of Russian Spies filming and setting up listening posts in front of The International Atomic Agency and their vehicles were even stopped and search and inside they found a lot of espionage equipment, documents and even taxi vouchers from Moscow's GRU headquarters.

They too were let go and just evicted from the country. To arrest them really isn't a huge deal. It could also have ramifications for our guys in Russia as no doubt the Russians will respond in a tit for tat way.

[Robin Hood]

I think what he credited as "sensible" were my thoughts that the way the British Government handled the case actually raises suspicion that they themselves knew the 2 Russians were not guilty of the Skripal poisoning .
But even on that he (RH) didn't agree completely.

In any case we will never learn, so what's the point?

LR is always selective in the way he interprets anything and once again demonstrates how he adds a convenient bias to all his comments.

Pyrpoliser you are correct ..... that is EXACTLY what I meant, someone who takes a broad view of events and available fact to reach their own conclusion of probability. You will NEVER get that from LR as that process is alien to his thought process. He believes and has for decades, what his masters tell him to believe, therefore anyone who reaches a different conclusion has to be some sort of demented idiot.