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[Paphitis]

I rest my case!

[Robin Hood]

I rest my case!

You never had a case! Please tell me where you got the 'TRNC annexation' suggestion you say I made!

If you can't remember I am sure LR can look it up in his comprehensive filing system that he maintains for all my posts!

[Londonrake]

I rest my case!

You never had a case! Please tell me where you got the 'TRNC annexation' suggestion you say I made!

If you can't remember I am sure LR can look it up in his comprehensive filing system that he maintains for all my posts!

I wouldn't embarrass you. It would put you in a position where you were obviously clearly wrong...................again. Although, I always appreciate those little islands of silence on your part.

The file (not computer - it's bedtime reading stuff!) is as a result of your repeated - supposedly veiled - threats (you do threats so well, and so frequently) to take libel action against me. Trust me when I say - you have given out as good as, or better, than you've received. Plus of course the crown jewel.

What I said about your view on a referendum in the north (bit like..............err............. the Crimea?) is absolutely true!

We are all of course entitled to learn and in doing so change our views. What are yours on the subject.................. today.

[Pyrpolizer]

yes i concur to the fact that this RH was all in favour of annexation. He believes that the "north " has a right to annexation because Turkey reluctantly invaded after a fascist Greek Coup.

Take heed Pyro!

I replied to this here:
cyprus46182-510.html#p868098

I will elaborate a bit more::
The right of self determination is not automatic.
There are conditions most of which are easily understood as for example of what constitutes "a people" according to UN criteria. One of the major criteria is land ownership and living in a specific area for a historically long time. The UN definition itself however is still suffering from vague criteria. E.g. what happens when the "a people" are not 100% of the population? What is the exact percentage at which a minority could be ignored and be obliged to follow the remaining people to their self determination? There is no answer to that. Hence the right of the GCs to self determination in the 50s-60s in uniting with Greece was not automatic because it contradicted the interests of the 18% TC minority which was supposedly high enough. Land ownership was also shared among both, and populations were spread everywhere in Cyprus.
Hence the reason we ended up to a unitary state.

For the same reasons (plus many others) the people living in the occupied today cannot exercise their right to self determination because they live on stolen lands and properties which on top of everything are area-wise 2 times of what they historically owned and value-wise 5 times more. Furthermore I doubt they qualify as "a people" anymore because 50% of their numbers are settlers with no historical residence or land ownership.


Like I said earlier I am not very familiar with the Crimean case.

The case of Israel is not so different however, The Jews of Palestine had absolutely no right to self determination, on the first place. There’s no way Israel would ever become a state under today’s conditions, Let aside get such a huge border area as the 1947 partition plan with which it was accepted as a UN member.
I may elaborate later.

[Pyrpolizer]

I forgot to say that once a state has been established, the 'a people" within that state who under no state conditions would qualify for a separate right to self determination, seem to be losing that right. If this were not the case the existing states would have broken to tens of pieces. The Tcs are just one of the many examples, similarly the Kurds in Middle East, the Scots in England, the Basques in Spain, the Blacks and Hispanics in the US, just to mention a few off my head.

[Robin Hood]

It would be a shame to let the OP die! So……………

The Skripal Case Is Being Pushed Down The Memory Hole With Libya And Aleppo - Caitlin Johnstone

On the fourth of March, in the sleepy British cathedral town of Salisbury, an ex-spy named Sergei Skripal was poisoned by an assassin with the most deadly nerve agent known to man.

The Russian government was immediately blamed by a shocked and outraged world. Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson assured the people of Great Britain that “There’s no doubt” that Moscow was responsible. In a large and sudden leap forward in cold war escalations, Russian diplomats were thrown out of countries all around the globe, including my own Australia, in a show of solidarity with the United Kingdom. It was the largest collective ejection of Russian diplomats in history.

Two months after his earth-shattering assassination, as the world stared spellbound at the weekend’s immensely popular PR spectacle of a royal wedding, Sergei Skripal was quietly discharged from the hospital he’d been staying at. The BBC reports that he is walking and approaching complete recovery

So to recap, an ex-spy who had been retired and strategically irrelevant for years was reportedly poisoned by the Kremlin with Novichok, a scary Russian-sounding word which refers to a group of extremely deadly and fast-acting nerve agents that start shutting down the body’s muscles and respiratory system within 30 seconds to two minutes. Except in the case of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia it was several hours with a leisurely stroll, a meal, and beers in between.

The poison was placed in Yulia Skripal’s suitcase. Actually no, they got that wrong, it was the air vents in their car. Wait, no, that doesn’t work either. Maybe it was administered via weaponized miniature drone! Wait, no, it was the family’s car door handle. Actually, scratch that, it was the front door of the house. Definitely the front door of the house. We’re absolutely sure. Either that or Sergei Skripal’s favorite Russian cereal. They were given 100 grams of Novichok. Wait, no, that’s ridiculous, we retract that. Okay, maybe we have no idea what happened. Oh hey, their pets were completely unaffected by the poison. Let’s incinerate them.

Oh, and Johnson’s claim that the Porton Down laboratory had assured him “There’s no doubt” that Russia was behind the poisoning? Turns out that was just a bald-faced lie; Porton Down said no such thing and it was never its job to make such an assessment. Johnson lied, and both the Foreign Office and British mainstream media attempted to cover it up; tweets were deleted, transcripts were re-written, and narratives were given a good spin of historic revisionism by asserting that the UK government’s unequivocal insistence that the Kremlin poisoned the Skripals had been merely a “suggestion”.

And now both Sergei and Yulia Skripal, alleged victims of a poisoning by highly trained assassins using the deadliest nerve agent ever created, are doing fine. But you’re still supposed to fear and hate Russia. Just don’t think too hard about it or remember too much.

The rest of the article ……...

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/05/21/the-skripal-case-is-being-pushed-down-the-memory-hole-with-libya-and-aleppo/

[miltiades]

Here was I thinking tha Britain had been .....attacked by Russia , an attack equal to that of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour!!!!
The clown had his 5 minutes of fame lets hope he soon joins a circus where he belongs.

[Pyrpolizer]

Makes you wonder what was all this about. Sanctions to Russia??

Italy's new government says the existing sanctions cost them 3 bn/year in agricultural products alone and asks
"that European Union sanctions against Russia be dropped immediately"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/italian-popu ... ccounter=1
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201803 ... sanctions/

US sanctions against Iran are backfiring too:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28400218
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... clear-deal

NB. The yahoo link doesn't open in Firefox. You might need to open it in Chrome.

[Robin Hood]

Anti-Russian for sure ...... but it miss fired!

How the “Skripal Effect” Was Stopped

Quote:

Russia’s Own, Modern Media

Russia’s own international media played a significant role in publicly informing global audiences of alternatives to the UK’s Skripal narrative, as well as challenging the UK directly.

The growing influence of Russia’s international media helped provide balance to global discourse that was once solely dominated by US and European media organizations.

Long gone are the days of clumsy Soviet state media. Russia’s modern media has performed an act of public relations judo, using the most effective techniques of the Western media, and directing them back against the West.
When this involves some of the most dishonest and aggressive agendas driven by Western special interests, they resonate with a global public increasingly disillusioned by the Western media.

For the time being, the global alternative media comprised of small independent media organizations and even individuals, have benefited from working with modern Russia media.

Despite claims of “Russian influence” and “Russian propaganda,” it should be noted that citizens and organizations around the globe contributing to, being interviewed by and appearing on Russian media are no different than those appearing on American and European networks.

Attempts to portray it as being somehow different is based on the assumption that Anglo-American and European media is in some way morally superior to that of other nations, yet this assumption in and of itself is predicated on decades, if not centuries of exceptionalism bred from quite immoral hegemony.

Independent media organizations and individual journalists and analysts holding alternative views from the mainstream US-European media are systematically denied a platform to fairly air these views in the West. Contrary to the West’s supposed values of “free speech” and objectivity among a “free press,” the actions of the Western media promote anything but.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/how-the-skripal-effect-was-stopped/5641381

[Robin Hood]

Welcome back Yulia .....long time no see!

Yulia Skripal Gives First Interview After Alleged Poisoning

Yulia speaks to Reuters in her first media appearance since being released from a hospital in March.

Yulia Skripal, who has claimed to have been poisoned by Russia, together with her father Sergei Skripal, gave an interview to Reuters, according to a video released by the agency on Wednesday.

According to the news agency, Yulia expressed gratitude to the Russian Embassy in the UK, which had offered her assistance, but explained that she "doesn't wish to avail herself of their services."

https://sputniknews.com/russia/20180523 ... interview/

Video:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/704792/yulia-skripal-salisbury-poison-nerve-agent-attack-first-tv-interview-pictures