Londonrake wrote:Pyrpolizer wrote:If i may defend LR, he said right from the start that he didn't beleive the article was creditable (or something along those lines).
Thanks Pyro but nay
You seemed to believe yesterday that the whole interview thing was Fake News. I couldn’t see why. Papers like the NYT interview senior figures in science/politics, etc routinely. Why not the head of the OPCW?
(2) My point being, how often the most absurd items from so-called "independent" and State run mouthpieces are immediately accepted, whereas even relatively tame articles from the MSM are contemptuously discarded, out-of-hand. Unless it tends to support the poster’s view - which is entirely different of course - and not at all hypocritical.

In that I am not pointing a finger particularly at yourself.
The man had obviously exceeded his brief in the interview and was quickly and publicly corrected for it. Something which I had no compunction in posting.
I thought you were talking for both sides that "fall for things in this area" at this post
cyprus46182-460.html#p867951but after careful reading you were in fact referring to only one side
Your "Nay" accepted
Let's get things straight LR.
I think we all agree the the British media was quoting from NYT as in fact Guardian admitted.
Hence it's quite logical for anyone who would like to learn the precise content of that "interview" to look at the original in NYT.
And that's what I did. Alas the NYT did not include the original interview at all. It only included extracts from an alleged interview that the head of the OPCW presumably gave in some other unknown media (which one? -The Martians metropolis News??)
I have no doubt quoting your own words that "papers like the NYT interview senior figures in science/politics, etc routinely." but when they do so they don't just publish parts of it at their own discretion. They publish the WHOLE thing. So where's the whole thing in this case??
This partially answers your question of " Why not the head of the OPCW? ". a) Because the interview itself is missing b)Because they never claimed they themselves interviewed the man on the first place!! and c) for other reasons including the "highly unlikely" possibility

of a person at his capacity giving interviews for such a sensitive matter expressing personal nonsense (you do agree the contents were nonsense don't you?"
Now concerning your point marked with
(2) above.
I often read the alternative media and I can assure you they are not immediately accepted as you think.
Do you remember the time I posted the article saying they shot down 71 out of the 103 Tomahawks?
I did post it for discussion purposes only. I never beleived it to be the absolute truth. After the discussion I remember saying I beleive that both sides are lying and that the truth must be is somewhere in between.
The are many articles in Saker and Moon of Alabama that often RH links to. If you take the time to read them then you will find out in most cases they are just analytical thinking of already known events. If you take for example the matter of the procedure followed by OPCW in preparing it's report regarding the Skripals case, there's no way to miss the fact that it was not the standard one that this impartial body follows. (as for example was the procedure they followed in Syria)
There's no way to refute Russia's argument that the report the OPCW issued missed the important elements of impartiality because a) the OPCW never visited the scene of the crime b) never collected it's own samples, c)never took blood samples from the patients by itself.
You won't find these arguments in MSM. Therefore if you want to form a more informed view you have no other option other that seek information from independent media as well. You may not like some of the things you will read, but if you develop your own ability of filtering the fake news from the real ones, then you (in plural) will benefit.