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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 04, 2018 12:33 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Did you really fall for that?
My,my, I am so disappointed .....


Pyro, when it comes to falling for things this area of your forum is a target-rich zone. :lol:

I mean, it's absolutely fascinating, to read what some folk will swallow whole. If the St Petersburgh troll factory churned out that the Skripal incident was a failed suicide attempt you can be sure that it would be "regurgitated", as you say, in here, verbatim and without hesitation. Soberly and po-faced.

Witness the likes of the comic rubbish churned out by the Russian Ambassador in London recently, finding an indifferent response (ignored actually). Even he laughed at it! Add that to the recent stuff that came out of their man in Beirut and it's hard to understand why Russian Ambassadors don't appear in front of the press with red noses, faces painted and wearing big, flappy boots.

The aforesaid doesn't appear in an OPCW report. It came out yesterday when Uzumcu was interviewed by the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/worl ... ripal.html

But anyway, perhaps we can all settle now for the Skripal's problems not being the result of food poisoning but actually being caused by the use of a sophisticated nerve agent? At least, before some other Troll fodder fantasy puts in an appearance.

Reading about representatives of the people who tried to murder the Skripals getting indignant over not being given information about their whereabouts or access to them - again repeatedly churned out in here - is an absurdity beyond parody.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 04, 2018 12:39 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
there is nothing at all out of the ordinary with the OPCW investigations and reports:



Paphitis are you sure you are on the same WAVELENGTH of what we are talking about NOW?

What the report says has been discussed a long time ago.
The news NOW is about an interview that presumably the head of OPCW gave to NYT that the British Media regurgitate.

It turns out the NYT makes no claim of authenticity on the first place...


You mean this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/worl ... ripal.html

The OPCW claims and verifications seem to be very explicit. The OPCW confirms that Sergey and Yulia were poisoned by a Nerve Agent known as Novichok.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 04, 2018 12:49 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Did you really fall for that?
My,my, I am so disappointed .....


Pyro, when it comes to falling for things this area of your forum is a target-rich zone. :lol:

I mean, it's absolutely fascinating, to read what some folk will swallow whole. If the St Petersburgh troll factory churned out that the Skripal incident was a failed suicide attempt you can be sure that it would be "regurgitated", as you say, in here, verbatim and without hesitation. Soberly and po-faced.

I wouldn't!! I would perhaps read it but I am rarely convinced without evidence. Now what RH does is not of my concern, I often don't fully agree with him

Witness the likes of the comic rubbish churned out by the Russian Ambassador in London recently, finding an indifferent response (ignored actually). Even he laughed at it! Add that to the recent stuff that came out of their man in Beirut and it's hard to understand why Russian Ambassadors don't appear in front of the press with red noses, faces painted and wearing big, flappy boots.

The aforesaid doesn't appear in an OPCW report. It came out yesterday when Uzumcu was interviewed by the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/worl ... ripal.html

I imply to you the man HAS NOT GIVEN ANY INTERVIEW. He holds a very high position to sprout out irresponsible personal opinions like that.
If you follow the presumable path of this news you will clearly identify a false path. The British Media presumably report from NYT while the NYT presumably reports from the British Media!! So who reports from who ??
This is clearly FAKE NEWS.


But anyway, perhaps we can all settle now for the Skripal's problems not being the result of food poisoning but actually being caused by the use of a sophisticated nerve agent? At least, before some other Troll fodder fantasy puts in an appearance.

We cannot settle for anything. We will never learn the truth. All we can do is just form an opinion. Slightly more than 50% of the French think it was the Russians. What else would you expect? Slightly more than 50% is logical considering the info they got from the MSM.
My opinion is that the Russians didn't do it. My confidence level is about 90%.


Reading about representatives of the people who tried to murder the Skripals getting indignant over not being given information about their whereabouts or access to them - again repeatedly churned out in here - is an absurdity beyond parody.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 04, 2018 12:57 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Do a little search for CS.
The British media claim that they report from what he said to New York times

Go to NYT and look at the story
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/worl ... ripal.html

The NYT presumably report from LONDON. At no point do the say they interviewed the man.
What they say is this:
the director general, Ahmet Uzumcu, said in an interview.

Yeah right, in an interview to the Martians


What he said has nothing to do with opinion. Once again, they have verified the fact that Surgery and Yulia were poisoned with a military grade nerve Agent known as Novichok.

1. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland requested technical
assistance from the OPCW Technical Secretariat (hereinafter “the Secretariat”) under
subparagraph 38(e) of Article VIII of the Chemical Weapons Convention in relation
to an incident in Salisbury on 4 March 2018 involving a toxic chemical—allegedly a
nerve agent—and the poisoning and hospitalisation of three individuals. The
Director-General decided to dispatch a team to the United Kingdom for a technical
assistance visit (TAV).
2. The TAV team deployed to the United Kingdom on 19 March for a pre-deployment
and from 21 March to 23 March for a full deployment.
3. The team received information on the medical conditions of the affected individuals,
Mr Sergej Skripal, Ms Yulia Skripal, and Mr Nicholas Bailey. This included
information on their acetylcholinesterase status since hospitalisation, as well as
information on the treatment regime.
4. The team was able to collect blood samples from the three affected individuals under
full chain of custody for delivery to the OPCW Laboratory and subsequent analysis
by OPCW designated laboratories, and conducted identification of the three
individuals against official photo-ID documents.
5. The team was able to conduct on-site sampling of environmental samples under full
chain of custody at sites identified as possible hot-spots of residual contamination.
Samples were returned to the OPCW Laboratory for subsequent analysis by OPCW
designated laboratories.
6. The team requested and received splits of samples taken by British authorities for
delivery to the OPCW Laboratory in Rijswijk, the Netherlands, and subsequent
analysis by OPCW designated laboratories. This was done for comparative purposes
and to verify the analysis of the United Kingdom.
7. The team was briefed on the identity of the toxic chemical identified by the United
Kingdom and was able to review analytical results and data from chemical analysis of
biomedical samples collected by the British authorities from the affected individuals,
as well as from environmental samples collected on site.
S/1612/2018
page 2
8. The results of analysis of biomedical samples conducted by OPCW designated
laboratories demonstrate the exposure of the three hospitalised individuals to this
toxic chemical.
9. The results of analysis of the environmental samples conducted by OPCW designated
laboratories demonstrate the presence of this toxic chemical in the samples.
10. The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and
biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United
Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and
severely injured three people.
11. The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is
concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.
12. The name and structure of the identified toxic chemical are contained in the full
classified report of the Secretariat, available to States Parties.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 04, 2018 1:06 pm

Paphitis I am not going to discuss a one month OLD report when at the time it was discussed you were not even listening...
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 04, 2018 1:10 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis I am not going to discuss a one month OLD report when at the time it was discussed you were not even listening...
Sorry.


listen to what?

The report from the NYT never claimed an interview. they only reported on an interview of the OPCW Head.

What is wrong with that?
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 04, 2018 1:22 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis I am not going to discuss a one month OLD report when at the time it was discussed you were not even listening...
Sorry.


listen to what?

The report from the NYT never claimed an interview. they only reported on an interview of the OPCW Head.


What is wrong with that?



...That the British Media claim it was given to NYT
In an interview with the New York Times, Üzümcü said he had been told that about 50-100g of the nerve agent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... chdog-says

Do you now understand what's wrong with that? :shock:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 04, 2018 1:23 pm

Sorry. We’re falling over each other here. :( :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... chdog-says

“In an interview with the New York Times............” :?

Much is accepted in here, at face value, often as not. It does come across sometimes as double standards. Joe Bloggs posts an article, from his squat in Peckham, on “theindependentfringemob” about US atrocities in Upper Volta and it’s treated by some as gospel. Conversely, sage broadsheets like the NYT, DT and Guardian (that well known right wing rag) are labelled as purveyors of Fake News. :? Confirmation bias, mostly.

What’s the point being made exactly? TBH, I haven’t faithfully followed the thread. :( Is everyone now onboard about what caused the Skripal’s collapse? Even if not the who of it? :?
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 04, 2018 1:42 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis I am not going to discuss a one month OLD report when at the time it was discussed you were not even listening...
Sorry.


listen to what?

The report from the NYT never claimed an interview. they only reported on an interview of the OPCW Head.


What is wrong with that?



...That the British Media claim it was given to NYT
In an interview with the New York Times, Üzümcü said he had been told that about 50-100g of the nerve agent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... chdog-says

Do you now understand what's wrong with that? :shock:


No I do not.

What I do not understand is how some people take reports from Discount Clearance House or from Spudsnik and it is gospel but the Guardian makes a simple mistake (media always make mistakes) and all of a sudden the British Media is Fake news.

The British media is pluralistic. that is the problem here. Get 10 papers and they will have 10 versions of the same report, but in Russia, you just get the Kremlin's line. You now tell me what is dangerous and fake.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 04, 2018 2:56 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Paphitis I am not going to discuss a one month OLD report when at the time it was discussed you were not even listening...
Sorry.


listen to what?

The report from the NYT never claimed an interview. they only reported on an interview of the OPCW Head.


What is wrong with that?



...That the British Media claim it was given to NYT
In an interview with the New York Times, Üzümcü said he had been told that about 50-100g of the nerve agent
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... chdog-says

Do you now understand what's wrong with that? :shock:


No I do not.


OK, *NM* :lol: :lol:
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