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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Thu May 03, 2018 5:13 pm

Really? I don't exude overconfidence.

I just do not tolerate any nonsense like the kind you swallow from the Russian mouthpieces and let me tell you, most Americans will not swallow the garbage you spout either.

They will never say I skim over any facts, but they would say you are a very deluded soul and a very sad individual for the views you hold about the USA and Assad.

And what you are talking about is the typical stereotype. Brits are more reserved because they just don't talk and try to be overly polite. You never know where a Brit is coming from. Americans and Aussies are loud but very down to earth and direct. Americans are more polite and friendly than Brits are.

In fact, you can say that Greeks are even louder and more obnoxious than Americans are, but what that is, is a zest for life which the brits just DO NOT possess and that is why I call them Griogoloi! Americans and Aussies are not Griogoloi like the Brits are. FACT!

But how you can actually pigeonhole 2 countries as diverse as Australia and America has me buggered. They are ethnically diverse, hence have a very rich culture especially in the cities.

Oh and you have not flown with me or seen how I operate so how can you say that. you haven't even met me. I would say I have some confidence in my ability as I should but I am not overconfident and I am no cowboy. I am in fact a very conservative flyer and I follow the rules and SOPs and I have over 12000 flying hours too and I am still alive.

As for sticking to the SOP's, I do not know anything else. I wouldn't ever dare do anything else. I take my profession very seriously and everyone I have flown for know that and the Americans know that from the references they have received about me. You see sunshine, the Americans didn't just offer the job on a whim. They actually followed their own procedures and processes and I had to sit their ATPL exams, be interviewed by a panel and even get Sim Checked by conducting an ILS Approach with a missed approach for an RNAV Rwy 19 with one engine out.

You see, you always try to say that the Americans are stupid, but they are not. in fact, they are very clever themselves especially looking at all the things they have accomplished - they actually have a can-do attitude. If the Americans are going to do it, they are going to do it real big and not half-hearted. They are no mugs.

And no, there is a hierarchy in the Cockpit but with proper Crew Resource Management and procedures. Each pilot has their role to perform but one is in command and that is it. It isn't a democracy like you seem to think. The captain makes all the command decisions because he/she is responsible for the safety of the aircraft and passengers and the FO has to assist them. There are SOP's on how checks are performed when they are performed and by whom they are performed. Every action is checked and no I have never had any conflict in the cockpit before. Not even once in 12000 hours of which about 11000 were Multi Crew environments. My cockpits have always been very happy places in the most part because we were all friends too.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu May 03, 2018 5:55 pm

Paphitis wrote:Really? I don't exude overconfidence.

I just do not tolerate any nonsense like the kind you swallow from the Russian mouthpieces and let me tell you, most Americans will not swallow the garbage you spout either.

They will never say I skim over any facts, but they would say you are a very deluded soul and a very sad individual for the views you hold about the USA and Assad.

And what you are talking about is the typical stereotype. Brits are more reserved because they just don't talk and try to be overly polite. You never know where a Brit is coming from. Americans and Aussies are loud but very down to earth and direct. Americans are more polite and friendly than Brits are.

In fact, you can say that Greeks are even louder and more obnoxious than Americans are, but what that is, is a zest for life which the brits just DO NOT possess and that is why I call them Griogoloi! Americans and Aussies are not Griogoloi like the Brits are. FACT!

But how you can actually pigeonhole 2 countries as diverse as Australia and America has me buggered. They are ethnically diverse, hence have a very rich culture especially in the cities.

Oh and you have not flown with me or seen how I operate so how can you say that. you haven't even met me. I would say I have some confidence in my ability as I should but I am not overconfident and I am no cowboy. I am in fact a very conservative flyer and I follow the rules and SOPs and I have over 12000 flying hours too and I am still alive.

As for sticking to the SOP's, I do not know anything else. I wouldn't ever dare do anything else. I take my profession very seriously and everyone I have flown for know that and the Americans know that from the references they have received from me. You see sunshine, the Americans didn't just offer the job on a whim. They actually followed their own procedures and processes and I had to sit their exams, be interviewed by a panel and even get Sim Checked by conducting an ILS Approach with a missed approach for an RNAV Rwy 19 with one engine out.

You see, you always try to say that the Americans are stupid, but they are not. in fact, they are very clever themselves especially looking at all the things they have accomplished - they actually have a can-do attitude. If the Americans are going to do it, they are going to do it real big and not half-hearted. They are no mugs.

And no, there is a hierarchy in the Cockpit but with proper Crew Resource management. Each pilot has their role to perform but one is in command and that is it. It isn't a democracy like you seem to think. The captain makes all the command decisions because he/she is responsible for the safety of the aircraft and passengers and the FO has to assist them. There are SOP's on how checks are performed when they are performed and by whom they are performed. Every action is checked and no I have never had any conflict in the cockpit before. Not even once in 12000 hours of which about 11000 were Multi Crew environments.


As I said a) You exude overconfidence; b) you skim the headlines rather than read and digest the content; c) You make comments without switching on the brain. c) you are too quick to judge others based simply on your opinions...... and much more! You have demonstrated your short comings all in this one post.

FYI: I had many political type conversations with Americans and they are not very well read on foreign matters. Like you, many soak up CNN, WSJ and the WaP etc.and just accept what they are told without question ..... they are often surprised when you point out that what they have is very rarely much more than a half truth or even outright lies. I have never fallen out with an American at any level, I have had arguments with them and I am undoubtedly of a rather stubborn nature but I can honestly say I never made enemies of any them .... unlike some Brits! :roll:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu May 03, 2018 9:23 pm

Paphitis wrote:
I do not portray as being cleverer than other people. In fact, I am very easy going. People who know me say I am a kind person.

The other thing the Americans are looking for in their recruits, is confidence. they don't want pilots who are unsure of themselves. In fact I don't think anyone wants such pilots.

Americans are actually a very broad people. You can't pigeon hole them because they are a melting pot and ethnically so diverse. Generally speaking, Americans are very polite and they love Australians in particular more than they like Brits. I think Australians like Americans more than Brits too.

That is probably because Brits are not as easy going as we are.

There are dozens of Australians, Brits, Canadians, Kiwis, and South Africans working for this company. And for the money they are offering, they expect some form of cleverness because that is what they are paying for. They also expect some confident individuals and some professionalism. They are no mugs. In fact it is one of the largest companies in the world. The only way you can go wrong is if you wash out from their Line Training, and that isn't very likely.

This US Company will also recruit Cypriot Pilots if it could, They don't care if you are Cypriot, Turk, Australian or Brit. They will even train Cypriot Pilots to attain the FAA Licence. In fact, they actually put everyone through a 4 week Ground School just to obtain the FAA ATPL.

It has nothing to do with pride at all. They want to make money. And if they don't get Pilots they will lose a lot of money.


I am not talking particularly for the work environment.
I am certain you will do much better at work than most. But what if you finally discover that they also employ other people with higher salaries with half your experience and knowledge just because they are native Americans. What if you finally discover your position is the same as other almost ignorant pilots coming from 3rd world countries?

However it's not only the work environment. You won't be working 24/7!
It's also the rest of your life in the US. What if you discover you are socially very isolated? What if you discover you don't fit? What if you finally understand the only ones around you with who you can befriends are other Aussies or Greeks and even those won't be in abundance where you live.

Social classes in the US are also very distinguishable and there's a huge class of what we'd call here is Cyprus "της τελευταιας υποσταθμης" (of the very bottom) that demonstrates it's presence everywhere.

Sorry for painting it all black , I really wish everything will work out fine for you.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 04, 2018 1:17 am

Robin Hood wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Really? I don't exude overconfidence.

I just do not tolerate any nonsense like the kind you swallow from the Russian mouthpieces and let me tell you, most Americans will not swallow the garbage you spout either.

They will never say I skim over any facts, but they would say you are a very deluded soul and a very sad individual for the views you hold about the USA and Assad.

And what you are talking about is the typical stereotype. Brits are more reserved because they just don't talk and try to be overly polite. You never know where a Brit is coming from. Americans and Aussies are loud but very down to earth and direct. Americans are more polite and friendly than Brits are.

In fact, you can say that Greeks are even louder and more obnoxious than Americans are, but what that is, is a zest for life which the brits just DO NOT possess and that is why I call them Griogoloi! Americans and Aussies are not Griogoloi like the Brits are. FACT!

But how you can actually pigeonhole 2 countries as diverse as Australia and America has me buggered. They are ethnically diverse, hence have a very rich culture especially in the cities.

Oh and you have not flown with me or seen how I operate so how can you say that. you haven't even met me. I would say I have some confidence in my ability as I should but I am not overconfident and I am no cowboy. I am in fact a very conservative flyer and I follow the rules and SOPs and I have over 12000 flying hours too and I am still alive.

As for sticking to the SOP's, I do not know anything else. I wouldn't ever dare do anything else. I take my profession very seriously and everyone I have flown for know that and the Americans know that from the references they have received from me. You see sunshine, the Americans didn't just offer the job on a whim. They actually followed their own procedures and processes and I had to sit their exams, be interviewed by a panel and even get Sim Checked by conducting an ILS Approach with a missed approach for an RNAV Rwy 19 with one engine out.

You see, you always try to say that the Americans are stupid, but they are not. in fact, they are very clever themselves especially looking at all the things they have accomplished - they actually have a can-do attitude. If the Americans are going to do it, they are going to do it real big and not half-hearted. They are no mugs.

And no, there is a hierarchy in the Cockpit but with proper Crew Resource management. Each pilot has their role to perform but one is in command and that is it. It isn't a democracy like you seem to think. The captain makes all the command decisions because he/she is responsible for the safety of the aircraft and passengers and the FO has to assist them. There are SOP's on how checks are performed when they are performed and by whom they are performed. Every action is checked and no I have never had any conflict in the cockpit before. Not even once in 12000 hours of which about 11000 were Multi Crew environments.


As I said a) You exude overconfidence; b) you skim the headlines rather than read and digest the content; c) You make comments without switching on the brain. c) you are too quick to judge others based simply on your opinions...... and much more! You have demonstrated your short comings all in this one post.

FYI: I had many political type conversations with Americans and they are not very well read on foreign matters. Like you, many soak up CNN, WSJ and the WaP etc.and just accept what they are told without question ..... they are often surprised when you point out that what they have is very rarely much more than a half truth or even outright lies. I have never fallen out with an American at any level, I have had arguments with them and I am undoubtedly of a rather stubborn nature but I can honestly say I never made enemies of any them .... unlike some Brits! :roll:


No, I don't.

I don't do anything other than religiously follow Crew resource management techniques and the Standard Operating Procedures. But assertive enough to draw the line when there have been breaches and I have even self-reported myself a couple of times for doing the wrong thing because there are always lessons to be learned when things don't go according to plan. Also very willing to accept responsibility when things don't go according to plan because that is what we are supposed to do. I have never been criticized for my attitude or even punished.

You can't go wrong with a bit of honesty and humility and at the end of the day, I also want to build good solid work relationships, and even make friends which I will even socialize with outside of work. I would imagine that the USA is a very lonely place without friends.

Aviation is a pretty intimate environment.

As to the politics. You are completely out of step with what is actually the norm, not me. I have not even seen you once make a post which is even slightly conciliatory to any Western country, including Britain when it comes to International Politics and International Flashpoints such as Ukraine, MH17, Syria and also Israel. You are also completely out of step with the EU and Cyprus. You only see things one way when they are not. You are sympathetic to Russia and any other force that is perceived to be against the West. You claim to analyze information, but no-one has seen any evidence of this because your sources are not real. They are Fake News. And then you come up with all kinds of ludicrous explanations such as insinuate that Sergey and Yulia were suffering from Fish Poisoning because that is what was alluded to by the Russian mouthpieces.

Well I am sorry, but that doesn't make you more informed than I. That just proves that you are one-eyed. There is 1000 times more chance of me being critical of the West than you being critical of Russia and Iran. In fact, I have been critical of the West, just as is my democratic right to be. but I put forward my argument for this criticism in a reasoned and practical matter and just be anti for the sake of it, or because I am an angry person with a chip on my soldier. this is a luxury people in Syria and Russia do not have, so just sit back and think about the irony for a minute.

Well guess what! Russia and Iran ARE NOT such upstanding global citizens. They are in fact, global thugs and right now they are very big supporters for global terrorism. That is the fact here. My enemy is my friend is what we have come to thanks to pootin who is in bed with Assad and Hezbollah.

This is NOTHING to be proud of. We can understand about Russia having interests and wanting to maintain bases in Syria. Well that is all OK. The West will be fine with this, but Russia has chosen a path leading to an even worse Cold War than ever before just because he wants to give the impression of a Greater and more powerful Russia. he is of course deluded and we all know this to be the case deep down. There are no Death Rays, or Death Star Lazers. He would eat his arsehole and start sucking his thumb like an infant if there was ever a war with the West.

He has done a lot of very silly things. So many times our Electricity Grids are being hacked by Russian hackers. not only that but the GRU interfered with the US Elections. As we move forward more and more information is coming forward. And the West has sent Russian diplomats home. Hundreds of them.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Fri May 04, 2018 6:32 am

Back to 'Where is Yulia?' .........

Skripal case: British confirm they have no suspect; Yulia Skripal vanishes, no word of Sergey Skripal - The Duran

To my mind a much greater cause for immediate concern is the fate of Sergey and Yulia Skripal.

On 11th April 2018 Yulia Skripal – supposedly now sufficiently recovered from the effect of the attack on her – was discharged from Salisbury Hospital.

The British police released a statement from her which spoke warmly of her family and of the attempts of the Russian consulate to contact her, but which at the same appeared to reject their offers of help.

As many have pointed out, this statement was clearly written by a native British speaker and not by Yulia Skripal herself, though it probably does reflect at least some of her views.

By way of example, the warm words about her family and about the Russian consulate in the statement appear to contradict earlier reports that she was intending to claim political asylum in Britain and had become hostile to Russia.
Since then we have heard nothing directly from Yulia Skripal at all, and there is no information about her whereabouts.

http://theduran.com/skripal-british-confirm-no-suspect-yulia-vanishes-no-word-of-sergey/?mc_cid=ff65c56ee8&mc_eid=ab209ad6a5

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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Fri May 04, 2018 10:26 am

"Up to 100 grams of liquid nerve agent were used in the attack on former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, the head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has said."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... -watchdog/

"Deny, distract and blame': how Russia fights propaganda war."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ssy-london

The vast majority in the West see it all for what it is. Of more concern though is the relentless bombardment of anti-West propaganda that the population of Russia are daily subjected to, through their (State controlled) media. Touted hereabouts as a beacon of light and truth. :roll:

Probably all a TLDR though. :lol:

So, it wasn't fish food poisoning? :?

And the Russian Ambassador to the UK was lying when he said that Novichok didn't exist? It was a myth, created by the US.

Like Israel's nuclear threats, nobody wants to go down that street, to the obvious and logical conclusion though. Fabrication. :wink:

Lots of other Conspiracy Theories in there. A rich source. Take you pick really. What's today's? :?



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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 04, 2018 11:21 am

Londonrake wrote:"Up to 100 grams of liquid nerve agent were used in the attack on former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, the head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has said."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... -watchdog/



Did you really fall for that?
My,my, I am so disappointed .....


The one and only official report from OPCW was on 12 April 2018
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw- ... d-kingdom/
Thursday, 12 April 2018

List of Speeches & Statements by the Director-General of the Technical Secretariat of the OPCW Ahmet Üzümcü

https://www.opcw.org/about-opcw/technic ... r-general/
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri May 04, 2018 11:40 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Londonrake wrote:"Up to 100 grams of liquid nerve agent were used in the attack on former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia, the head of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has said."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... -watchdog/



Did you really fall for that?
My,my, I am so disappointed .....


The one and only official report from OPCW was on 12 April 2018
https://www.opcw.org/news/article/opcw- ... d-kingdom/
Thursday, 12 April 2018

List of Speeches & Statements by the Director-General of the Technical Secretariat of the OPCW Ahmet Üzümcü

https://www.opcw.org/about-opcw/technic ... r-general/


there is nothing at all out of the ordinary with the OPCW investigations and reports:

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/ ... g01_e_.pdf

NOTE BY THE TECHNICAL SECRETARIAT
SUMMARY OF THE REPORT ON ACTIVITIES CARRIED OUT
IN SUPPORT OF A REQUEST FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE BY
THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN AND NORTHERN IRELAND
(TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE VISIT TAV/02/18)

1. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland requested technical
assistance from the OPCW Technical Secretariat (hereinafter “the Secretariat”) under
subparagraph 38(e) of Article VIII of the Chemical Weapons Convention in relation
to an incident in Salisbury on 4 March 2018 involving a toxic chemical—allegedly a
nerve agent—and the poisoning and hospitalisation of three individuals. The
Director-General decided to dispatch a team to the United Kingdom for a technical
assistance visit (TAV).
2. The TAV team deployed to the United Kingdom on 19 March for a pre-deployment
and from 21 March to 23 March for a full deployment.
3. The team received information on the medical conditions of the affected individuals,
Mr Sergej Skripal, Ms Yulia Skripal, and Mr Nicholas Bailey. This included
information on their acetylcholinesterase status since hospitalisation, as well as
information on the treatment regime.

4. The team was able to collect blood samples from the three affected individuals under
full chain of custody for delivery to the OPCW Laboratory and subsequent analysis
by OPCW designated laboratories, and conducted identification of the three
individuals against official photo-ID documents.

5. The team was able to conduct on-site sampling of environmental samples under full
chain of custody at sites identified as possible hot-spots of residual contamination.
Samples were returned to the OPCW Laboratory for subsequent analysis by OPCW
designated laboratories.
6. The team requested and received splits of samples taken by British authorities for
delivery to the OPCW Laboratory in Rijswijk, the Netherlands, and subsequent
analysis by OPCW designated laboratories. This was done for comparative purposes
and to verify the analysis of the United Kingdom.

7. The team was briefed on the identity of the toxic chemical identified by the United
Kingdom and was able to review analytical results and data from chemical analysis of
biomedical samples collected by the British authorities from the affected individuals,
as well as from environmental samples collected on site.
S/1612/2018
page 2
8. The results of analysis of biomedical samples conducted by OPCW designated
laboratories demonstrate the exposure of the three hospitalised individuals to this
toxic chemical.

9. The results of analysis of the environmental samples conducted by OPCW designated
laboratories demonstrate the presence of this toxic chemical in the samples.

10. The results of analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and
biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirm the findings of the United
Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical
that was used in Salisbury and
severely injured three people.
11. The TAV team notes that the toxic chemical was of high purity. The latter is
concluded from the almost complete absence of impurities.
12. The name and structure of the identified toxic chemical are contained in the full
classified report of the Secretariat, available to States Parties.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 04, 2018 11:54 am

Do a little search for CS.
The British media claim that they report from what he said to New York times

Go to NYT and look at the story
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/03/worl ... ripal.html

The NYT presumably report from LONDON. At no point do the say they interviewed the man.
What they say is this:
the director general, Ahmet Uzumcu, said in an interview.

Yeah right, in an interview to the Martians
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri May 04, 2018 12:00 pm

Paphitis wrote:
there is nothing at all out of the ordinary with the OPCW investigations and reports:



Paphitis are you sure you are on the same WAVELENGTH of what we are talking about NOW?

What the report says has been discussed a long time ago.
The news NOW is about an interview that presumably the head of OPCW gave to NYT that the British Media regurgitate.

It turns out the NYT makes no claim of authenticity on the first place...
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