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[Pyrpolizer]

I am not disputing that the majority of Doctors wouldn't know how to diagnose the problem, but the Government knew that the patients were Sergey Skrypal and his daughter Yulia. They would no doubt have looked into that.

In addition, all Doctors are fairly astute people, and would have taken steps to report the symptoms to the Government and the Government would have done whatever it is they needed to do.

In the UK and Australia, even a normal death can be scrutinized closely by the coroner. Sometimes, relatives do not get the body for up to 2 weeks because the Government is conducting autopsies. And this is with zero suspicion sometimes. Especially if the person is reasonably young. They look into everything.

Sergey wasn't just anyone.

No matter how astute the Doctors might be there's no way to distinguish the symptoms of a nerve agent poisoning from any other type of poisoning, when the victim is unconscious. So your assumption that they reported the symptoms to the Government and then based on those symptoms the Govnt did what they had to do cannot be true.

I agree with you that they knew who the victims were all along.
I am ready to accept that the Government called in specialists based on suspicion and probably based on the fact that other Russians in the UK were poisoned in strange ways in the past.

Now whether those specialists finally discovered a nerve agent poisoning or not, and were able to confirm it beyond any reasonable doubt 3 days after the event, is another story.

No you are making some pretty big assumptions here.

Something of this magnitude would have already involved Britain's MI5 and MI6 as well as CIA and NSA. The alarm bells would have been triggered immediately and the authorities would have suspected foul play straight away. And we are assuming they had no intelligence because the UK Prime Minister said that there were intercepts from Agios Nikolaos in Cyprus which verify Russian complicity or involvement.

From there, the Government would have bought in all their leading Chemical and Poisons Experts from anywhere is the world if necessary. They would have been suspicious of Russian involvement from the beginning and they would have done all kinds of tests including radiation.

No cost would have been spared. they would have had the best people working on this from the beginning.

As you may notice the sooo organized "west" cannot even make up a proper lie.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/94 ... ntercepted

....one was sent from a location near Damascus in Syria to "an official" in Moscow including the phrase ‘the package has been delivered" and saying that two individuals had "made a successful egress".....

[miltiades]

The Daily Express, as per Prince Philip, is a lousy paper, as per Miltiades the Daily Express, which a few weeks back reported that Cyprus is on ....red alert , its a fucking shittie paper produced by some little englander and directed to other little englanders. I would not take anything written in this crappy paper even the slightest bit as serious journalism.

[Paphitis]

I am not disputing that the majority of Doctors wouldn't know how to diagnose the problem, but the Government knew that the patients were Sergey Skrypal and his daughter Yulia. They would no doubt have looked into that.

In addition, all Doctors are fairly astute people, and would have taken steps to report the symptoms to the Government and the Government would have done whatever it is they needed to do.

In the UK and Australia, even a normal death can be scrutinized closely by the coroner. Sometimes, relatives do not get the body for up to 2 weeks because the Government is conducting autopsies. And this is with zero suspicion sometimes. Especially if the person is reasonably young. They look into everything.

Sergey wasn't just anyone.

No matter how astute the Doctors might be there's no way to distinguish the symptoms of a nerve agent poisoning from any other type of poisoning, when the victim is unconscious. So your assumption that they reported the symptoms to the Government and then based on those symptoms the Govnt did what they had to do cannot be true.

I agree with you that they knew who the victims were all along.
I am ready to accept that the Government called in specialists based on suspicion and probably based on the fact that other Russians in the UK were poisoned in strange ways in the past.

Now whether those specialists finally discovered a nerve agent poisoning or not, and were able to confirm it beyond any reasonable doubt 3 days after the event, is another story.

No you are making some pretty big assumptions here.

Something of this magnitude would have already involved Britain's MI5 and MI6 as well as CIA and NSA. The alarm bells would have been triggered immediately and the authorities would have suspected foul play straight away. And we are assuming they had no intelligence because the UK Prime Minister said that there were intercepts from Agios Nikolaos in Cyprus which verify Russian complicity or involvement.

From there, the Government would have bought in all their leading Chemical and Poisons Experts from anywhere is the world if necessary. They would have been suspicious of Russian involvement from the beginning and they would have done all kinds of tests including radiation.

No cost would have been spared. they would have had the best people working on this from the beginning.

As you may notice the sooo organized "west" cannot even make up a proper lie.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/94 ... ntercepted

....one was sent from a location near Damascus in Syria to "an official" in Moscow including the phrase ‘the package has been delivered" and saying that two individuals had "made a successful egress".....

I wouldn't listen to the Express if I were you.

There is no way the West would divulge this kind of information and the entire thing just sounds stupid.

If the intercept was real they wouldn't be using words such as 'package' and so forth. Everything might be encrypted and coded instead and they would be talking about Daffy Duck laid some eggs - like the enigma codes used by the Germans, and they would never release it either other than among 5 eyes Nations.

That article is definitely fake news. I didn't even open it to read just because because of the phrases you used in your post.

Information like this would not be released from the West, like ever! You got to understand, they are NOT interested in convincing people like yourself. And they will never compromise their intelligence networks or sources or divulge how they got the information. The reason for that is because sometimes their informants are double agents embedded within Syria and Russia.

[Pyrpolizer]

I am not disputing that the majority of Doctors wouldn't know how to diagnose the problem, but the Government knew that the patients were Sergey Skrypal and his daughter Yulia. They would no doubt have looked into that.

In addition, all Doctors are fairly astute people, and would have taken steps to report the symptoms to the Government and the Government would have done whatever it is they needed to do.

In the UK and Australia, even a normal death can be scrutinized closely by the coroner. Sometimes, relatives do not get the body for up to 2 weeks because the Government is conducting autopsies. And this is with zero suspicion sometimes. Especially if the person is reasonably young. They look into everything.

Sergey wasn't just anyone.

No matter how astute the Doctors might be there's no way to distinguish the symptoms of a nerve agent poisoning from any other type of poisoning, when the victim is unconscious. So your assumption that they reported the symptoms to the Government and then based on those symptoms the Govnt did what they had to do cannot be true.

I agree with you that they knew who the victims were all along.
I am ready to accept that the Government called in specialists based on suspicion and probably based on the fact that other Russians in the UK were poisoned in strange ways in the past.

Now whether those specialists finally discovered a nerve agent poisoning or not, and were able to confirm it beyond any reasonable doubt 3 days after the event, is another story.

No you are making some pretty big assumptions here.

Something of this magnitude would have already involved Britain's MI5 and MI6 as well as CIA and NSA. The alarm bells would have been triggered immediately and the authorities would have suspected foul play straight away. And we are assuming they had no intelligence because the UK Prime Minister said that there were intercepts from Agios Nikolaos in Cyprus which verify Russian complicity or involvement.

From there, the Government would have bought in all their leading Chemical and Poisons Experts from anywhere is the world if necessary. They would have been suspicious of Russian involvement from the beginning and they would have done all kinds of tests including radiation.

No cost would have been spared. they would have had the best people working on this from the beginning.

As you may notice the sooo organized "west" cannot even make up a proper lie.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/94 ... ntercepted

....one was sent from a location near Damascus in Syria to "an official" in Moscow including the phrase ‘the package has been delivered" and saying that two individuals had "made a successful egress".....

I wouldn't listen to the Express if I were you.

There is no way the West would divulge this kind of information and the entire thing just sounds stupid.

If the intercept was real they wouldn't be using words such as 'package' and so forth. Everything might be encrypted and coded instead and they would be talking about Daffy Duck laid some eggs - like the enigma codes used by the Germans, and they would never release it either other than among 5 eyes Nations.

That article is definitely fake news. I didn't even open it to read just because because of the phrases you used in your post.

Information like this would not be released from the West, like ever! You got to understand, they are NOT interested in convincing people like yourself. And they will never compromise their intelligence networks or sources or divulge how they got the information. The reason for that is because sometimes their informants are double agents embedded within Syria and Russia.

Still you have to consider that the Countries who withdrew their diplomats from Russia have accused the UK of convincing them to do so using false evidence. Therefore even if the so called "intercepts" were decoded correctly and used to convince other countries to follow the UK, then the only explanation for their complaining was that either those intercepts were a lie or decoded wrongly.

[Paphitis]

Still you have to consider that the Countries who withdrew their diplomats from Russia have accused the UK of convincing them to do so using false evidence. Therefore even if the so called "intercepts" were decoded correctly and used to convince other countries to follow the UK, then the only explanation for their complaining was that either those intercepts were a lie or decoded wrongly.

I don't think so.

A lot of those countries would have Intelligence Sharing. They would have far more reliable information to that which was written in The Express.

None of the countries that have withdrawn any diplomats would have made any accusations like that. If they got issues, they would discuss in private and certainly not in the public domain, and if they thought the information was wrong, they would reinstate the diplomats.

No countrty has done such a thing at all.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

None of the countries that have withdrawn any diplomats would have made any accusations like that. If they got issues, they would discuss in private and certainly not in the public domain, and if they thought the information was wrong, they would reinstate the diplomats.

No countrty has done such a thing at all.

But quite a few have distanced themselves from it and said the UK has to provide proof. So May obviously gave them assurances as opposed to facts.

How on earth could any of those countries just call the Russians and say "Sorry Vlad, the British led us up a blind alley with duff intelligence so you can send all your spies back now!" That would be the destruction of Teresa May and the British Government. But they were duped with the same sort of rubbish that Tony Blair spread to attack Iraq II and what Cameron did with Libya and screwed them up as well. Stories like this in the MSM that are sensational rarely turn out to be accurate or even credible. The same will happen with Netanyahu’s latest tirade against Iran. But one thing is for sure ...... the UK Govt. has not told the truth! You often have to wait for a few days but usually the story gets debunked by the indepedant journalist, who do what journalists should, look for the truth.

The whole Skripal fiasco reminds me of Rowan Atkinson in a Johnny English comedy spy film, although he worked for MI7 I think? Or Peter Sellers as ‘Inspector Clueseau’. Really .... as has been said previously, does anyone actually swallow all this ‘official’ rubbish and MSM sensationalism ? Well, I suppose there are some that do!

This article shows you how these stories are created and who the culprits that start them are. The guy that runs Bellingcat is one that springs to mind.

Where They Tell You Not to Look - By Craig Murray

Rule number one of real investigative journalism: look where they tell you not to look.

April 30, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - At the very beginning of the of the Skripal incident, the security services blocked by D(SMA) notice any media mention of Pablo Miller and told the media not to look at Orbis and the Steele dossier on Trump, acting immediately to get out their message via trusties in the BBC and Guardian. Gordon Corera, “BBC Security Correspondent”, did not name the source who told him to say this, but helpfully illustrated his tweet with a nice picture of MI6 Headquarters.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49331.htm

[Paphitis]

No country that has removed withdrawn has distanced themselves or asked for proof in the public domain because they have already been provided with enough proof.

28 Countries have sent Russian Diplomats back to Russia and not one has complained or asked for proof or distanced themselves to the UK which they support 100% in its hour of need during a deplorable and illegal attack on UK sovereignty.

[miltiades]

Bolloucks as per usual.
An attack on British sovereignty!!!!
What rubbish you post General. What fucking attack ? Two people poisoned and you call it an attack on British sovereignty?
There again you also compared it to the Japanese attack on PH.
Get a life will you, use some logic!!

[Robin Hood]

No country that has removed withdrawn has distanced themselves or asked for proof in the public domain because they have already been provided with enough proof.


From memory Germany and Italy did and I think several others who did not join the club as a 'friend' of the UK over this incident. The fact it is full of flaws is very obvious to anyone .... well, except you of course but it is obvious to everyone you keep a very open mind on these events!

28 Countries have sent Russian Diplomats back to Russia and not one has complained or asked for proof or distanced themselves to the UK which they support 100% in its hour of need during a deplorable and illegal attack on UK sovereignty.

All 28 countries are either NATO or affiliated with NATO, the other 170 odd countries did not. And as for it being an attack on UK sovereignty ...... Milti said it all for me! Maybe you would have approved a drone strike or a cruise missile as more appropriate ..... like the UK and the US do every day in many countries and attack THEIR sovereignty? But of course that doesn't count!

[Londonrake]

As with any other such events, RH always parrots the line from the Moscow (or Tehran!). Verbatim and with unconditional acceptance.

Then, he talks about people who are "programmed" and can't think - like him - "outside the box" in apparently slavishly following the MSM line. (hypocrisy?) It's an irony that's somehow lost in translation.

The advent of the internet has given a platform to lots of people who mistakenly think that being different in some way makes them special. In the old days they just went to gatherings at Trafalgar Square/Hyde Park corner or wandered around wearing "The end is nigh" sandwich boards.