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[Robin Hood]

Seeing as Paphitis has once again diverted the thread ..........

Paphitis, as you seem to think the rest of the World is in step with your extremist views, I would suggest you may like to ponder this view? It is far more rational than any you have put forward and he is by far better informed than you. Do you think you and the rest of the World are ready for this? Do you REALLY think you are invulnerable to a response like this?

What happened to the West I was born in? - The Saker

Frankly, I am awed, amazed and even embarrassed. I was born in Switzerland, lived most of my life there, I also visited most of Europe, and I lived in the USA for over 20 years. Yet in my worst nightmares I could not have imagined the West sinking as low as it does now. I mean, yes, I know about the false flags, the corruption, the colonial wars, the NATO lies, the abject subservience of East Europeans, etc. I wrote about all that many times. But imperfect as they were, and that is putting it mildly, I remember Helmut Schmidt, Maggie Thatcher, Reagan, Mitterrand, even Chirac! And I remember what the Canard Enchaîné used to be, or even the BBC. During the Cold War the West was hardly a knight in white shining armor, but still – rule of law did matter, as did at least some degree of critical thinking.

I am now deeply embarrassed for the West. And very, very afraid.

All I see today is a submissive herd lead by true, bona fide, psychopaths (in a clinical sense of the word)
And that is not the worst thing.

The worst thing is the deafening silence, the way everybody just looks away, pretends like “ain’t my business” or, worse, actually takes all this grotesque spectacle seriously. What the fuck is wrong with you people?! Have you all been turned into zombies?! WAKE UP!!!!!!!


Let me carefully measure my words here and tell you the blunt truth.

Since the Neocon coup against Trump the West is now on exactly the same course as Nazi Germany was in, roughly, the mid 1930s.

https://thesaker.is/what-happened-to-the-west-i-was-born-in/

[Paphitis]

... this stuff can be made anywhere and by anybody....

According to a microbiological chemist of my aqcquantance, who sometimes works with some of the more dangerous natural biological agents, and who, in consequence, must follow some of the very strictist of protocols to avoid personal exposure, let alone release, this is not the sort of stuff that can be made anywhere and by anybody, so much so that the precautions he must follow seem tame by comparison.

Yes, these Chemical nerve Agents are in a different league altogether.

Many countries have played with them from time to time, and most are now signatories to the non-proliferation treaties outlawing their use.

This isn't a nerve agent known to be in anyone's possession other than perhaps 1 or 2 global State Actors. One of these State Actors is Russia.

The other, may have some of it in very limited quantities.

[Paphitis]

Countries to have evicted Russian Diplomats so far:

USA
UK
France
Germany
Canada
Spain
Netherlands
Sweden
Finland
Italy
Denmark
Poland
Czech Republic
Hungary
Croatia
Albania
Romania
Ukraine
Latvia
Lithuania
Australia
New Zealand
Japan
South Korea
Norway
Ireland

EDIT: added Norway and Ireland

[miltiades]

Are there any credible evidence that Russia was behind the poisoning of 2 people as well as a number of others lighly affected? This has been blown out of all proportions, the British FS, the Clown, just as he did with the Brexit vote, has managed once again to ...please him self.
Not a shred of evidence of Russia's involvement. By the way was the Russian double spy, by any ...stretch of imagination
A traitor to his country ??

[Robin Hood]

20 countries have now expelled Russian diplomats.

This is excellent news and well done to the 20.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... pal-attack

Australia not included in the list as Australian Government only announced that it was expelling Russian Diplomats from Canberra only 10 hours ago.

So 21, maybe even more by now.

It is very important that all nations stand with the UK in solidarity over this very brazen attack against them by Russia.

You obviously haven't noticed that most of these countries are NATO members or affiliates and not all of the EU is up for it! Cyprus for one has said it will not expel Russian diplomats. How many countries are there on the Planet, maybe around 200(?) so you have about 10% of countries backing the UK's plea for support. But do countries like Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania count that much when countries like China back Russia?

What will they all do if it turns out to be another 'Saddam's WMD' scare mongering? That little error (Lies) cost the lives of around 2 million people, left he country in ruins and a legacy of a birth deformity rate many times higher than the norm, through the wests use of depleted uranium ..... and those effects will last centuries!

And so far ....... they have the same level of proof they had then ....... none! But this time their victim can fight back and can breach the immunity of the USA mainland. It will be too late to say sorry once the west lights the fuse.

[Paphitis]

Are there any credible evidence that Russia was behind the poisoning of 2 people as well as a number of others lighly affected? This has been blown out of all proportions, the British FS, the Clown, just as he did with the Brexit vote, has managed once again to ...please him self.
Not a shred of evidence of Russia's involvement. By the way was the Russian double spy, by any ...stretch of imagination
A traitor to his country ??

It hasn't been blown out of all proportion at all.

This is an attack on Britain.

As for evidence, I am sure there is a lot of that including the chemical composition of the material used which fingerprints Russia. This isn't a court of law. So far, the Western World is uniting with the UK.

Is there any evidence that all the violations of Greek and Cypriot Airspace are by Turkey?

This thing about asking for evidence is akin to askin whether there is any evidence that the V2 bombers were from Germany.

[supporttheunderdog]

Here is a Jan 2017 Article discussing Nerve agents and which includes a section on Novichock, which indicates that likely not all plants were in Uzbekistan but some near Moscow.

http://forte.delfi.ee/news/militaaria/sodur-peab-keemiarelvi-tundma-neuroparaluutilise-toimega-murkained?id=76861202

(Google Translate)
Novichok series (Novichok agents)

Novotokok (newcomer) series of neuroparalytic toxicants was developed in the Soviet Union from 1970 to 1990. a new type of chemical weapons development. These are substances for which very little data is available, from one person, from the leading research scientist of the research program Foliant, Vil Mirzajanov. They are conditionally 4th generation (1st general poisoning like iprit, 2nd nerve agents such as sarin, 3rd binary gases) or third generation of neuroparalytic poisons (1 G gases, 2 V gases).

Novcijoki poisons are supposedly the strongest nerve poisons known in the past, exceeding the toxicity of V-gases by up to eight times. The purpose of the new type of chemical weapons program, Foliant, was to create such substances that would not leave their toxicity from the well-known V-gases; their induced poisoning would not be able to be treated with known anti-poison drugs; the starting materials used in their production should not overlap with known toxicant precursors and should not be detectable Detectors of chemical warfare agents used by NATO. St attempts were made to avoid the weaknesses of the best known war veterans - the nerve gases were very toxic, but there were effective antidotes, it was very difficult to keep their production secret, due to international control, and had developed standard procedures for detecting, deactivating and protecting their use. Work on the Novotchok series of poisons continued at the beginning of the 1990s, while the USSR joined the Chemical Weapons Convention and took steps to destroy stocks. The cover of the Folianti program was the development of new plant protection products. Tens of new compounds were synthesized and substances that seemed not fit for chemical weapons were published in scientific journals and were presented as new potential insecticides. The cover of the Folianti program was the development of new plant protection products. Tens of new compounds were synthesized and substances that seemed not fit for chemical weapons were published in scientific journals and were presented as new potential insecticides. The cover of the Folianti program was the development of new plant protection products. Tens of new compounds were synthesized and substances that seemed not fit for chemical weapons were published in scientific journals and were presented as new potential insecticides.

The research program was unveiled in 1992 by its one-party scientist, Tatry-born scientist Vil Mirzajanov, who received enough of the hypocrisy of Russian leaders who simultaneously fought for the prohibition of chemical weapons while developing other unknown new types of chemical weapons. Since it was a supra-player program, it's only known to the public that Mirzajanov is not content with a lot of substantive details. Other interested parties have also kept a low profile. It is known that the Novosibirsk series of substances was developed and tested in a small area close to the Moscow area, but the main experiments were conducted in Uzbekistan, the Ust-Rat Plate adjacent to Kazakhstan. The Uzbek government has been working with Americans, US specialists have visited the test area, but no official information has been issued for this.

According to current data, the Novotchoc series is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, but, unlike the G and V gases, it is not possible to reactivate acetylcholinesterase by oxime. Thus, their effect is similar to Somna. There are also no data on the physical properties of new toxic substances, but it is known that methods have been developed for their use primarily as a fine-dispersed powder. There are at least some of these binary weapons as well.
The structure clusters of the Novithus family, synthesized during the Folian program, have been widely leaked to the public through scientific publications, more than a hundred are known.
This group consists of organophosphorus compounds containing the dihalometalloxime group.

There are unverified claims this stuff was used in a 1995 Murder of a Russian banker.

[Paphitis]

Here is a Jan 2017 Article discussing Nerve agents and which includes a section on Novichock, which indicates that likely not all plants were in Uzbekistan but some near Moscow.

http://forte.delfi.ee/news/militaaria/sodur-peab-keemiarelvi-tundma-neuroparaluutilise-toimega-murkained?id=76861202

(Google Translate)
Novichok series (Novichok agents)

Novotokok (newcomer) series of neuroparalytic toxicants was developed in the Soviet Union from 1970 to 1990. a new type of chemical weapons development. These are substances for which very little data is available, from one person, from the leading research scientist of the research program Foliant, Vil Mirzajanov. They are conditionally 4th generation (1st general poisoning like iprit, 2nd nerve agents such as sarin, 3rd binary gases) or third generation of neuroparalytic poisons (1 G gases, 2 V gases).

Novcijoki poisons are supposedly the strongest nerve poisons known in the past, exceeding the toxicity of V-gases by up to eight times. The purpose of the new type of chemical weapons program, Foliant, was to create such substances that would not leave their toxicity from the well-known V-gases; their induced poisoning would not be able to be treated with known anti-poison drugs; the starting materials used in their production should not overlap with known toxicant precursors and should not be detectable Detectors of chemical warfare agents used by NATO. St attempts were made to avoid the weaknesses of the best known war veterans - the nerve gases were very toxic, but there were effective antidotes, it was very difficult to keep their production secret, due to international control, and had developed standard procedures for detecting, deactivating and protecting their use. Work on the Novotchok series of poisons continued at the beginning of the 1990s, while the USSR joined the Chemical Weapons Convention and took steps to destroy stocks. The cover of the Folianti program was the development of new plant protection products. Tens of new compounds were synthesized and substances that seemed not fit for chemical weapons were published in scientific journals and were presented as new potential insecticides. The cover of the Folianti program was the development of new plant protection products. Tens of new compounds were synthesized and substances that seemed not fit for chemical weapons were published in scientific journals and were presented as new potential insecticides. The cover of the Folianti program was the development of new plant protection products. Tens of new compounds were synthesized and substances that seemed not fit for chemical weapons were published in scientific journals and were presented as new potential insecticides.

The research program was unveiled in 1992 by its one-party scientist, Tatry-born scientist Vil Mirzajanov, who received enough of the hypocrisy of Russian leaders who simultaneously fought for the prohibition of chemical weapons while developing other unknown new types of chemical weapons. Since it was a supra-player program, it's only known to the public that Mirzajanov is not content with a lot of substantive details. Other interested parties have also kept a low profile. It is known that the Novosibirsk series of substances was developed and tested in a small area close to the Moscow area, but the main experiments were conducted in Uzbekistan, the Ust-Rat Plate adjacent to Kazakhstan. The Uzbek government has been working with Americans, US specialists have visited the test area, but no official information has been issued for this.

According to current data, the Novotchoc series is an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, but, unlike the G and V gases, it is not possible to reactivate acetylcholinesterase by oxime. Thus, their effect is similar to Somna. There are also no data on the physical properties of new toxic substances, but it is known that methods have been developed for their use primarily as a fine-dispersed powder. There are at least some of these binary weapons as well.
The structure clusters of the Novithus family, synthesized during the Folian program, have been widely leaked to the public through scientific publications, more than a hundred are known.
This group consists of organophosphorus compounds containing the dihalometalloxime group.

There are unverified claims this stuff was used in a 1995 Murder of a Russian banker.

This is exactly right.

Not only this, but America has claimed that the Russian scientist that developed it was an asylum applicant to the USA where he currently resides and works.

[Robin Hood]

What a fucking idiot!

This is a WMD. It can potentially wipe out an entire city the size of London in its pure form and if the right amount is released. It is about 1000 times more toxic than Sarin and VX Gas.

This attack is from a State Actor.

We just don't know who the actor is .... do we? But lets blame Putin anyway and demand that he proves he didn't do it!

So .... if this stuff is that lethal why are the Skripal's and the Policeman not dead? I believe the policeman has even left hospital and has just disappeared? Maybe ....... he went back to MI6 for debriefing and to explain how he cocked it up? No doubt in a few days we will hear his body has been found, propped up against a tree, with his wrists slashed ..... as it all became too much for him. Well.... since we are being stupid .... why can't I ..... or maybe I could even be correct?

According to May some 130 people have 'likely' (there's that word again) to have been affected. Yet the doctors at the hospital say they have three cases of severe poisoning but no cases of nerve agent poisoning. Now who should I believe you, Teresa May or the doctors?

Of course you are right as you never seem to require either evidence or common sense, and anything is possible if you don't need evidence! The only idiot on this forum is you ..... you demonstrate it every time you post!

[Robin Hood]

Are there any credible evidence that Russia was behind the poisoning of 2 people as well as a number of others lighly affected? This has been blown out of all proportions, the British FS, the Clown, just as he did with the Brexit vote, has managed once again to ...please him self.
Not a shred of evidence of Russia's involvement. By the way was the Russian double spy, by any ...stretch of imagination
A traitor to his country ??

Paphitis and the rest of the majority don't need evidence ..... they have been told Russia/Putin did it and that is enough for them. It is an extension of the US Russophobia as they see that Russia is a threat to their World power grabbing through the West's constant war's. Russia is a serious threat to the Empires power base and they are determined to stop them. I fear the US/NATO countries will come sadly unstuck. (Read SAKERs article)