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[Robin Hood]

St Petersburgh isn’t pushing this stuff anymore nowadays. Which I suspect is why RH is floundering a bit. No guidance. Time to move on?

Just shows how little you get to know when you read only the Western Press. What is it you don't understand about a 'D' notice? The UK press is not allowed to discuss the incident! Plenty coming out of St. Petersburgh, Lavrof, UK Embassy, Kremlin, they are concerned about the safety of their citizens, as they should be. But in the UK, the MoD needs to keep it under wraps. As you only get your info from official Western sources, I would not expect you to know what is going on in the outside world.

Moving on, forgetting the problem especially when it starts to fall apart through lack of any tangible evidence and gets embarrassing ...... is your MO, not mine.

[Pyrpolizer]

I today spoke with my cousin who is a Doctor.
He said there's no hospital in the whole world that could ever diagnose a nerve agent poisoning case within 24 hours.
Even poisoning from known common causes like inhaling exhaust gases, carbon monoxide,LPG etc, drug over dose, food poisoning, poisoning aiming at suicide with chemicals etc is not an easy process and may take days to verify the exact cause while In most cases this is done after the victim dies during the necropsy...
He said in most cases they have to do guess work starting from the most likely causes.If the cause was lethal then there's only 1% chance the doctors would ever save the patients on the first place.

It seems the Doctors at the hospital where the Skipals were carried were some sort of rocket scientists compared to the Doctors we have in Cyprus though.

Isn't it surprising that not even ONE DOCTOR came out in the MSM, to describe the standard medical procedure they follow when two persons are brought unconscious to an emergency unit presumably for the same cause??

[Paphitis]

I today spoke with my cousin who is a Doctor.
He said there's no hospital in the whole world that could ever diagnose a nerve agent poisoning case within 24 hours.
Even poisoning from known common causes like inhaling exhaust gases, carbon monoxide,LPG etc, drug over dose, food poisoning, poisoning aiming at suicide with chemicals etc is not an easy process and may take days to verify the exact cause while In most cases this is done after the victim dies during the necropsy...
He said in most cases they have to do guess work starting from the most likely causes.If the cause was lethal then there's only 1% chance the doctors would ever save the patients on the first place.

It seems the Doctors at the hospital where the Skipals were carried were some sort of rocket scientists compared to the Doctors we have in Cyprus though.

Isn't it surprising that not even ONE DOCTOR came out in the MSM, to describe the standard medical procedure they follow when two persons are brought unconscious to an emergency unit presumably for the same cause??

Don't even compare the Doctors in the UK with the Doctors in Cyprus.

Firstly, any Doctor worth their pinch of salt isn't going to return to Cyprus when they can go to the USA, Australia, or stay in the UK and earn many times more than what they would in Cyprus.

Cyprus gets the scraps. Occasionally, there will be the odd good Doctor that just want's the Cyprus Lifestyle but 9 out of 10 are going to go for the dollars.

Just compare the hospitals in Cyprus to the UK. The UK spends so much more on the health system.

The thing that gets me is that all of a sudden this Doctor thinks he is an expert on Nerve Agents when he himself would never have encountered them in his life. The West does have samples of these agents. The inventor of the actual Russian agent is actually living in the USA as well. They know how to detect it and the Defence Forces even experiment with antidotes and adrenalin pens and things like that with these substances in mind.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yes the Royal Family. But what the UK Government has announced is what they are calling 'Government" boycotts. Therefore, no politician, dignitary, consular staff, ambassador or other Government Official will attend. by default that will include the Royal Family. They are part of the UK Government or System. Not just that, but they are part of the Australian Government as well as Australia's Head of State.

Practically, what this means is that the FA's are on notice. They are separate from Government as they are private enterprise and they will want to go. Just like many citizens from boycotting countries may travel to Russia. The difficulty and risk for them is that if something happens to them, they might find themselves in a lot of bother and probably will not get much help from the Government either. These are the things the FA will need to weigh up and they are considering their options. the other thing they will need to weigh up is insurance. If insurance companies are now refusing to ensure travelers, then they will not insure the Football Teams. Some of the players are worth $30 million to their teams. Now imagine if there was a terrorist attack and some of them get killed. Their clubs in Europe will have something to say about that.

Once a country like Australia issues a travel warning, insurance companies are reluctant to insure Australian travelers. The Australian Government has issued travel warnings urging its citizens to not travel to Russia on account of anti Western sentiment and security concerns.

They have to ask themselves whether they should go when their Government is boycotting.

insurance companies rely on probabilities and so far there's no indication any other capital would be less risky to organize the event.
None of the boycotting countries ever said the reason for the boycott was for security reasons.

[Paphitis]

Yes the Royal Family. But what the UK Government has announced is what they are calling 'Government" boycotts. Therefore, no politician, dignitary, consular staff, ambassador or other Government Official will attend. by default that will include the Royal Family. They are part of the UK Government or System. Not just that, but they are part of the Australian Government as well as Australia's Head of State.

Practically, what this means is that the FA's are on notice. They are separate from Government as they are private enterprise and they will want to go. Just like many citizens from boycotting countries may travel to Russia. The difficulty and risk for them is that if something happens to them, they might find themselves in a lot of bother and probably will not get much help from the Government either. These are the things the FA will need to weigh up and they are considering their options. the other thing they will need to weigh up is insurance. If insurance companies are now refusing to ensure travelers, then they will not insure the Football Teams. Some of the players are worth $30 million to their teams. Now imagine if there was a terrorist attack and some of them get killed. Their clubs in Europe will have something to say about that.

Once a country like Australia issues a travel warning, insurance companies are reluctant to insure Australian travelers. The Australian Government has issued travel warnings urging its citizens to not travel to Russia on account of anti Western sentiment and security concerns.

They have to ask themselves whether they should go when their Government is boycotting.

insurance companies rely on probabilities and so far there's no indication any other capital would be less risky to organize the event.
None of the boycotting countries ever said the reason for the boycott was for security reasons.

Insurance companies follow the advice provided by their host country or regulatory environment.

For instance, the World Cup could be held in South Africa, probably one of the most dangerous in the world but travel there is fine, but not in Russia because of the possibility of politically motivated events.

An insurance company will not take the risk when the Government is saying they will have no involvement in the World Cup.

[Pyrpolizer]

I today spoke with my cousin who is a Doctor.
He said there's no hospital in the whole world that could ever diagnose a nerve agent poisoning case within 24 hours.
Even poisoning from known common causes like inhaling exhaust gases, carbon monoxide,LPG etc, drug over dose, food poisoning, poisoning aiming at suicide with chemicals etc is not an easy process and may take days to verify the exact cause while In most cases this is done after the victim dies during the necropsy...
He said in most cases they have to do guess work starting from the most likely causes.If the cause was lethal then there's only 1% chance the doctors would ever save the patients on the first place.

It seems the Doctors at the hospital where the Skipals were carried were some sort of rocket scientists compared to the Doctors we have in Cyprus though.

Isn't it surprising that not even ONE DOCTOR came out in the MSM, to describe the standard medical procedure they follow when two persons are brought unconscious to an emergency unit presumably for the same cause??

Don't even compare the Doctors in the UK with the Doctors in Cyprus.

Firstly, any Doctor worth their pinch of salt isn't going to return to Cyprus when they can go to the USA, Australia, or stay in the UK and earn many times more than what they would in Cyprus.

Cyprus gets the scraps. Occasionally, there will be the odd good Doctor that just want's the Cyprus Lifestyle but 9 out of 10 are going to go for the dollars.

Just compare the hospitals in Cyprus to the UK. The UK spends so much more on the health system.

It looks you have no idea how much money Doctors in the private sector make in Cyprus.
Considering not even one became a specialist in Cyprus it's obvious they all abandoned the countries they got their skills from.


Nevertheless do you have anything soldid from medical sources as to how it would ever be possible to identify the cause of such an extremely rare case of poisoning within 24 hours?

[Pyrpolizer]

Insurance companies follow the advice provided by their host country or regulatory environment.

For instance, the World Cup could be held in South Africa, probably one of the most dangerous in the world but travel there is fine, but not in Russia because of the possibility of politically motivated events.

An insurance company will not take the risk when the Government is saying they will have no involvement in the World Cup.

Again you are talking hypothetically. So far there has not been any insurance company cancelling their contracts with any of the teams.

[Pyrpolizer]

The thing that gets me is that all of a sudden this Doctor thinks he is an expert on Nerve Agents when he himself would never have encountered them in his life. The West does have samples of these agents. The inventor of the actual Russian agent is actually living in the USA as well. They know how to detect it and the Defence Forces even experiment with antidotes and adrenalin pens and things like that with these substances in mind.

You seem to forget that in order to call those very few specialists from around the world, the local doctors should have first excluded all other possible reasons. Adrenalin is only prescribed after the diagnosis has been made, and such a diagnosis cannot be made by any doctor who has never seen not even one case in his life.

[Robin Hood]

I today spoke with my cousin who is a Doctor.
He said there's no hospital in the whole world that could ever diagnose a nerve agent poisoning case within 24 hours.
Even poisoning from known common causes like inhaling exhaust gases, carbon monoxide,LPG etc, drug over dose, food poisoning, poisoning aiming at suicide with chemicals etc is not an easy process and may take days to verify the exact cause while In most cases this is done after the victim dies during the necropsy...
He said in most cases they have to do guess work starting from the most likely causes.If the cause was lethal then there's only 1% chance the doctors would ever save the patients on the first place.

It seems the Doctors at the hospital where the Skipals were carried were some sort of rocket scientists compared to the Doctors we have in Cyprus though.

Isn't it surprising that not even ONE DOCTOR came out in the MSM, to describe the standard medical procedure they follow when two persons are brought unconscious to an emergency unit presumably for the same cause??

Don't even compare the Doctors in the UK with the Doctors in Cyprus.

Firstly, any Doctor worth their pinch of salt isn't going to return to Cyprus when they can go to the USA, Australia, or stay in the UK and earn many times more than what they would in Cyprus.

Cyprus gets the scraps. Occasionally, there will be the odd good Doctor that just want's the Cyprus Lifestyle but 9 out of 10 are going to go for the dollars.

Just compare the hospitals in Cyprus to the UK. The UK spends so much more on the health system.

The thing that gets me is that all of a sudden this Doctor thinks he is an expert on Nerve Agents when he himself would never have encountered them in his life. The West does have samples of these agents. The inventor of the actual Russian agent is actually living in the USA as well. They know how to detect it and the Defence Forces even experiment with antidotes and adrenalin pens and things like that with these substances in mind.

Do you ever actually understand what you read? I see no mention of Cyprus doctors in that post!

What Pyrpoliser's cousin said is absolutely correct but when applied to TOXINS which is what a nerve agent is. I know this first hand ...... Retentive Gadolinium Toxicity is the retention of Gadolinium over time in the body. It happens as a result of having image enhanced MRI/MRA's and the ONLY clinic in the World that can detect for this is in Virginia USA at the MAYO Clinical Laboratory. The ONLY clinic my wife can go to, to have the samples taken for diagnosis by MAYO in the US, is a Mayo approved specialist clinic/laboratory in Athens. She is currently waiting for the MoH in Cyprus to make the arrangements. So Pyrpoliser is 100% correct ....but as usual you miss the point completely.

What I would question is the what he says about the doctors in the hospital. They DID issue a statement within days and said they had received NO PATIENTS with anything other than poisoning. Just three people were affected. Two were serious and were admitted and received treatment, the third (The Skripals MI6 minder) was admitted but left within a couple of days. There were no further bulletins from any doctors or medical staff except to say Yulia had left the hospital. That's it .... then information lock down ..... and you see nothing strange in this?

BTW: You are also wrong about doctors in Cyprus. There are some world class doctors here but they are all in the Private sector. I will agree with your comment if applied to State hospitals but even then there are some good ones. What is bad .... is the system!

[Pyrpolizer]

What I would question is the what he says about the doctors in the hospital. They DID issue a statement within days and said they had received NO PATIENTS with anything other than poisoning. Just three people were affected. Two were serious and were admitted and received treatment, the third (The Skripals MI6 minder) was admitted but left within a couple of days.

I stand corrected. Could you please refresh my memory: How many hours/days after the Skripals were admitted, the UK government announced they were attacked with a nerve agent?
And whose diagnosis was that?