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[Paphitis]

This is the first time I ever head of a logical explanation.
Thank you for that!
I will have to do my own research though.

The real litmus test is this!

Go to North Korea (you can go there albeit it can be dangerous) and then go to South Korea (a completely safe country to visit). If someone said you had only a choice to live in either North or South Korea, then inevitably, you would choose South Korea all the time.

Yes the South Koreans are a US ally. Also, they are an ally to Japan and so many other countries. It is a FREE country in every respect.

In North Korea, citizens are not even allowed to leave and if you are caught watching American Films, you could potentially be executed by AA Guns or fed to Hungry Dogs as a traitor.

Here is a documentary for you.

This is not what I meant by "logical explanation".
but without even reading RH's posts how would you know to what I was referring from within his post?

Your documentary is irrelevant...

That is what I call completely irrelevant who did what over 100 years ago.

The question that needs asking, is this. As a world, are we more happy with South Korea or North Korea? Ask this question to Cypriot politicians and see their answers. Ask it to virtually anyone on the street.

99.9% of people would be more happy with South Korea. In fact, Cyprus would have fairly good relations with South Korea at the diplomatic level which is exactly the opposite for most countries and North Korea. Cyprus probably has no relationship with North Korea at all.

It is a countries behavior that need to be assessed.

For instance, Turkey's behavior in the Aegean, Cyprus and Afrin. South Korea's behavior as an international citizen and global partner. And North Korea's behavior generically.

If it is true, that South Korea is a product of America's doing, then America should be congratulated because South Korea is a global economic powerhouse, has virtually complete freedon for its people and has a very high rank in the Human development Index (ranked 18th) making South Korea a very great country.

[Londonrake]

I am the Admin. I am also the Moderator. What else? I am also Steve not.

Paaahhhhh! You’re just trying to Welch on the €10.



Sir.

[yialousa1971]

BAD CHEMISTRY? Ft. Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko

Published on 1 Apr 2018The British authorities explicitly cite the poisoning of the former FSB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London as circumstantial evidence in the Skripal case. The Russians did it before, they will do it again, that's the essence of the UK's allegations against Russia. But doesn't London itself have the capability, the intent and the motive for this kind of national character assassination? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko.

[Robin Hood]

The aloof arrogance of the British Government is making this situation worse!

They now declare that they do not need to provide proof supporting the accusation, all they need to make is an accusation on assumption! In any Court the accused is entitled to access to the prosecution’s evidence against them. The British are now adopting the US mantra that ...... the Law only applies to others. As with Saddam’s WMD, the truth will no doubt come out eventually and the result will be the same as it was with Blair and Bush, long expensive, drawn out investigation that ends up in a legal white wash exonerating those involved from responsibility for their actions . But by then maybe the World won’t be here to give a s**t?

How many on the Forum can honestly say they were aware of this case? I wasn’t!

Operation Hades - A Model For The 'Novichok' Case? By Moon Of Aalabama

The Russian government sent fourteen specific questions to the British government and thirteen questions to the OPCW. There seems to be some French involvement in the investigation of the alleged nerve agent and Russia ask why that is the case.

Alexander Yakovenko, the Russian ambassador to Britain, further increased the pressure on Theresa May by publicly asserting that the Skripal case was a 'provocation' carried out by British intelligence.

Telepolis points out (in German) that this would not be the first time that a 'western' service would stage such a 'provocation'. The Skripal case is indeed quite comparable to Operation Hades.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49126.htm

[Paphitis]

BAD CHEMISTRY? Ft. Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko

Published on 1 Apr 2018The British authorities explicitly cite the poisoning of the former FSB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London as circumstantial evidence in the Skripal case. The Russians did it before, they will do it again, that's the essence of the UK's allegations against Russia. But doesn't London itself have the capability, the intent and the motive for this kind of national character assassination? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko.

What would you expect the old man to say? Put yourself in his shoes. Would you have the balls to tell RT that Russia killed his Son. He would be as dead as his Son in no time.

he wouldn't have a choice otherwise the same thing will happen to him as a few others, like Denis Voronenkov who was going to run against Pootin.

If he was in the UK, he can say what he really thinks but he isn't in the UK but Russia.

[Robin Hood]

Yialousa:

BAD CHEMISTRY? Ft. Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko

Published on 1 Apr 2018The British authorities explicitly cite the poisoning of the former FSB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London as circumstantial evidence in the Skripal case. The Russians did it before, they will do it again, that's the essence of the UK's allegations against Russia. But doesn't London itself have the capability, the intent and the motive for this kind of national character assassination? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko.

I watched this but it suffered a bit in translation. I was not convinced he was telling the truth! Much for the reason Paphitis has said. The interview would be opportunistic and would no doubt curry favour with the Russian authorities but I doubt he was in any way threatened.

To say the man was frightened of the same treatment falls in line with the 'let's blame Russia' propaganda approach rather than a pragmatic approach. Once again, after all this time Putin then decides to assassinate the Father ...... Putin is obviously far smarter than Paphitis gives him credit for?


Paphitis .... watch the interview, he DID say Russia/Putin was responsible but has now changed his mind.

[Paphitis]

BAD CHEMISTRY? Ft. Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko

Published on 1 Apr 2018The British authorities explicitly cite the poisoning of the former FSB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London as circumstantial evidence in the Skripal case. The Russians did it before, they will do it again, that's the essence of the UK's allegations against Russia. But doesn't London itself have the capability, the intent and the motive for this kind of national character assassination? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko.

You got to remember that in Russia, many people are knocked off. And of course, no one is going to ever admit responsibility.

But let's be realistic here, UK assassinations are not done with plutonium or any nerve agents on their soil. There is nothing at all to gain in killing a former Russian Spy who now works for the UK. And timing it just before Russian Elections only plays into Pootin's hands and boosts his vote substantially.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/ar ... urnalists/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... a-tightens

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-l ... 03062c9694

The West isn't known for knocking off journalists, critics, or people not towing the line. We tolerate and even defend the rights of journalists and upholding a freedom of the press. It doesn't matter if you are the harshest critics. In fact, many of these websites are hosted by us, because we defend their rights aside from libel.

The West is not the same as Russia in terms of freedom of the press or the Human Development Index.

And the threat is an implied one. In Russia, you keep your mouth shut.

[Robin Hood]

BAD CHEMISTRY? Ft. Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko

Published on 1 Apr 2018The British authorities explicitly cite the poisoning of the former FSB agent Alexander Litvinenko in London as circumstantial evidence in the Skripal case. The Russians did it before, they will do it again, that's the essence of the UK's allegations against Russia. But doesn't London itself have the capability, the intent and the motive for this kind of national character assassination? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko.

You got to remember that in Russia, many people are knocked off. And of course, no one is going to ever admit responsibility.

But let's be realistic here, UK assassinations are not done with plutonium or any nerve agents on their soil. There is nothing at all to gain in killing a former Russian Spy who now works for the UK. And timing it just before Russian Elections only plays into Pootin's hands and boosts his vote substantially.

What about the fact he could have been a threat to the UK and the CIA with know connections to those associated with the Steele dossier, surely a very strong reason to have him removed and then blame the Russians. The West has done it before ..... you never did explain the Dr. David Kelly's mysterious death!

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/ar ... urnalists/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... a-tightens

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-l ... 03062c9694

The West isn't known for knocking off journalists, critics, or people not towing the line. We tolerate and even defend the rights of journalists and upholding a freedom of the press. It doesn't matter if you are the harshest critics. In fact, many of these websites are hosted by us, because we defend their rights aside from libel.

The West is not the same as Russia in terms of freedom of the press or the Human Development Index.

And the threat is an implied one. In Russia, you keep your mouth shut.

There are many examples of people disappearing or dying in mysterious circumstances in the UK but very much more so in the US. But you are again promoting is just propaganda!

I honestly can't be bothered to go back and find all the instances ........ but one that comes up over and over again is the number of people that fit this mysterious death description ......... who worked for the Clintons!

[Londonrake]

There are many examples of people disappearing or dying in mysterious circumstances in the UK but very much more so in the US. But you are again promoting is just propaganda!

I honestly can't be bothered to go back and find all the instances ........ but one that comes up over and over again is the number of people that fit this mysterious death description ......... who worked for the Clintons!

I'm sure my contempt of the Clintons would match your own if not more. I sincerely believe that, whatever you think of Trump, Hilary would have been far, far worse. Let's both give thanks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4ythLYtbEs

Nevertheless, I believe that your assertion is pretty lame.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/clinton-body-bags/

Lets float this:

August 2008. US President Donald Trump declares that those who have betrayed their country, family and comrades for "pieces of silver" will "kick the bucket".

2012. Julian Assange, Wikileaks boss, who released thousands of confidential files pertaining to US and Western security has died in a London hospital. Assange, before his death, suffered in agony, from ingesting a rare radioactive isotope. The poison was administered in tea, during a session where he met 2 ex-employees of the CIA in a London hotel. Forensic evidence has highlighted the trail of radiation from the arriving flight, throughout their London meetings to their departure. Criminal applications for extraditon, in order to face trial, have been ignored. Since arriving back in the US, with a heroes welcome, one of them has been elected to Congress. Subsequent to this incident Assange's boss, a long time billionaire critic of Trump, has been found dead. Having hung himself without any apparent previous indications of problems.

March 2018 - St Petersburg, Edward Snowden and his long-time girlfriend were found unconscious on a park bench in the city. A policeman who first arrived at the scene has similarly been taken ill. All 3 are now in a coma in a Moscow hospital. Analysis has revealed that they were poisoned with a nerve agent which was first produced in the USA.

President Putin has called for an emergency meeting of the UNSC and is outraged that a WMD has been used on the streets of a Russian city for the first time since WW2. However, Donald Trump denies any knowledge of the crime and has requested samples of the nerve agent used in the attack. Russian diplomatic moves since the incidents are, Secretary of State Rex TiIllerson insists, childish and inappropriate. He has also requested that, as the victims are US citizens, American diplomatic staff should be allowed to see them in hospital. It remains clear that there is no substantial evidence of US involvement. It's all based upon historic circumstance. President Trump has called it a "provocation" against the innocent USA.



Yes. Were this a reflection of such events I can just imagine your posts. It would be laughed out of town and quite rightly so. The story could be much longer and consists, time and time again, of a Putin policy of "plausible deniability". It's been sussed though and nobody's going to fall for it again. The fact is, this is an absolute disaster for Putin. The worst, shoot yourself in the foot, diplomatic debacle in history. Probably some bright spark from his old FSB department has done a bit of moonlighting, in order to impress the ex boss. However, for the sake of a minion like Skripal the Russians have had their entire intelligence gathering machine decimated. Forget the likes of Tonga, Azerbaijan and Peru, Russia's most professional int people have been thrown out of the countries that most matter to them. None will be allowed to return on "diplomatic" duties again ever - period.

A question. I've followed all of your posts over the last few years where you have ardently supported President Putin and all of his actions. I can't recall a single occasion in all of that time where absolutely anything he's done has elicited a shred of criticism or even doubt on your part. You seem to have basically echoed absolutely everything that has come out of Moscow. Verbatim. Wrong?

[Londonrake]

Forget content. How can I oppose this?