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[Robin Hood]

Not a shred of evidence that Turkey has violated Greek and Cypriot Airspace either unless every single incursion is photographed with the identifying Turkish markings.

It could have been New Zealand.

Mate, dont make such stupid comparisons
I know your logic is non existent but to make such stupid comparisons makes you in the eyes of all not only immature but damn right stupid. You also compared this event to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour. Come on now grow up.

It's not stupid, it's exactly the same thing. A radar can not identify if the incursions are Turkish, which is why the HAF scrambles jets to get eyeballs on them. They photograph the tails and and Turkish Markings and the planes get so close sometimes, the pilots actually eyeball each other and even make interesting hand gestures.

Now apply some common sense! If an aircraft in Cyprus airspace is not transmitting an IFF or Squawking, who do you think it would be?. Only a Turkish aircraft because any of the other countries surrounding the Island are non-hostile and would be in contact with ATC. Simple really ..... proof by exception!

A radar can not identify the aircraft either, unless the aircraft have an activated a transponder code. Because these are military aircraft and they have made illegal incursions, they would not be Squawking a Transponder Code that identifies them. NATO have generic IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) transponder codes, which the Hellenic Air Force will pick up as Friendlies (since they are Turkish) but the Turks wouldn't have their transponders on. Therefore, they are unidentifiable by radar.

Therefore, the violations in the Aegean and over Cyprus might not be Turkish. there is no evidence that they are Turkish. They could be from anywhere. Unless they are identified, there is no evidence. It might be the kiwis that did it!

See above ..... who else would it be ..... oh, that's right .... it would be the Russians!

Yes the attack on Britain was a Chemical Attack and every bit as serious as Pearl Harbour if not more. Britain was last attack by Chemical weapons in WW2. This is extremely serious and over 25 countries have taken action against Russia over it already. Some of these countries are not NATO members either.

Well you keep telling us that but so far no proof ...... in fact it could well be MI6 or the CIA as they had more Opportunity/Motive ..... and equal Means, if it was indeed a Nerve Agent which is becoming less likely as those poisoned with this 'military grade Novichok' are spoiling the plot by recovering!!! I will still wait for the smoking gun.

[Robin Hood]

Oh dear it seems that i shall have to agree with RH on the above.
@LR If you feel your posts are being shouted down maybe its because people don't agree with them ...its nothing personel...and to youself and Paphites please forget about the going ons on other forums..this is the Cyprus forum. By all means disagree with RH if you like thats what makes a good forum

It's got nothing to do with viewpoints at all.

Hoodwinks is making vitriolic and personal posts - he is playing the man and not the posts. And when the other forum was mentioned, it's because he has been given a suspension for doing the same kind of thing that he is doing here, as well as reveal private messages of other forumers and some other things as well because he couldn't accept views contrary to his own.

Still trying to score Brownie points?

Please, please, please ...... give it a rest..... nobody but you and Londonrake is is interested.

[Robin Hood]

Pleae, please, please ...... give it a rest..... nobody but you and Paphitis is interested.

Maybe you should start a fresh thread… “The Skripal poisoning affair II” and nobody will post there again unless to counter your points… a clean slate?

This one’s all buggered…

Pinky and Perky would only f**k that one up as well. They are not interested in an on going and rather intriguing political pantomime, but some are. If it spills over into related parallel events that just broadens the debate but I am getting pissed off at the two of them turning every post into a personal, and it seems, never ending vendetta.

[Londonrake]

Pinky and Perky would only f**k that one up as well. They are not interested in an on going and rather intriguing political pantomime, but some are. If it spills over into related parallel events that just broadens the debate but I am getting pissed off at the two of them turning every post into a personal, and it seems, never ending vendetta.

There you go, see? If I were to respond to that, in a similar tone, you would complain about "personal abuse", having mentally wiped out what actually led to it and adding to your sense of being a bullied victim.

I can't speak for Paphitis (I never have done) but what have you got to lose by giving it a try?

[Robin Hood]

Pinky and Perky would only f**k that one up as well. They are not interested in an on going and rather intriguing political pantomime, but some are. If it spills over into related parallel events that just broadens the debate but I am getting pissed off at the two of them turning every post into a personal, and it seems, never ending vendetta.

There you go, see? If I were to respond to that, in a similar tone, you would complain about "personal abuse", having mentally wiped out what actually led to it and adding to your sense of being a bullied victim.

I can't speak for Paphitis (I never have done) but what have you got to lose by giving it a try?

Then you go and respond with another whinge! For goodness sake .... why don't you give up? If you have an opinion on the Skripal incident, fine. If not, don't post on this thread!

FYI: You can't talk or discuss anything with Paphitis ..... he has selective hearing and only hears hid own voice ...... and never replies.

[Londonrake]

Sorry, but I don’t see any whinge. Rather, an attempt to point out how this process sometimes comes about and what amounts to a suggestion you reboot the OP.

Please yourself.

[Robin Hood]

In a SKY news interview a British military scientists identified the nerve agent used to poison ex-spy Sergei Skripal was Novichok, but have not verified where exactly it was made. Gary Aitkenhead, chief executive at Porton Down, told Sky News it was "not our job" to specify the source of the poison.

I had no problems in believing what he said at all but it was more what he was not asked that intrigues me.

• He said there was no antidote .... he said it was Military Grade (Goodness knows what a non-Military grade Novichoc is, maybe you can buy this version in Wallmart?) but what the interviewer didn’t ask him was, if this stuff is so very toxic ..... why are the victims not dead already and are even recovering?

• He kept referring to ‘The Sample’! Did his scientist take the sample themselves and can he guarantee that this sample was in secure custody until it arrived in the Lab and then remained so it could not be tampered with.

It's OK doing testing on a sample if you can be sure where the sample came from. Unless they were in full control at all times, the results are not irrefutable as the source could not be guaranteed.

• He said the laboratory that made this stuff would HAVE to be very sophisticated but it has been said by other experts ANY competent lab with the required equipment could perform the process. Surely what makes this stuff dangerous is that it is digital! It takes the combining of two commonly available ingredients, which are in themselves not particularly dangerous, to make a lethal compound. It also has a relatively short shelf life and has not been made in The Russian Federation ..... ever! It was made by the USSR and all their stocks were destroyed under the supervision of the OPCW.

Really the explanation by Gary Aitkenhead has told us nothing more than we knew already.

[Pyrpolizer]

This is the first time I ever head of a logical explanation.
Thank you for that!
I will have to do my own research though.

The real litmus test is this!

Go to North Korea (you can go there albeit it can be dangerous) and then go to South Korea (a completely safe country to visit). If someone said you had only a choice to live in either North or South Korea, then inevitably, you would choose South Korea all the time.

Yes the South Koreans are a US ally. Also, they are an ally to Japan and so many other countries. It is a FREE country in every respect.

In North Korea, citizens are not even allowed to leave and if you are caught watching American Films, you could potentially be executed by AA Guns or fed to Hungry Dogs as a traitor.

Here is a documentary for you.

This is not what I meant by "logical explanation".
but without even reading RH's posts how would you know to what I was referring from within his post?

Your documentary is irrelevant...

[Pyrpolizer]

@LR
I have nothing against you man, but you did mention somewhere this forum is cliquish, childish etc.
So what are you doing here??
I haven't seen anything interesting from you.
You posted 706 posts so far, it looks to me 700 of those are about RH's personality and past history in the other forum.
Maybe you should think that people in this forum have the ability to judge RH based on what he contributes HERE instead?

@RH, LR and Paphitis.
I personally got sick and tired hearing the same story over and over again.

I've been following your discussions with Erolz.Sotos, et al, re moderation on the forum. TBH, and understandably I think, I'd assumed that there wasn't any. Your post is the first I've seen in over 2 years that sounds like it's from a Mod. The line about Admin wandering around with changing names was interesting and a bit intimidating. I'm still not really sure what the actual rules consist of. Although there certainly are quite clear published ones.

In your case though I think I have figured it out. You're Steve! And I claim my €10 prize.

I'm impressed by the fact that you've read all of my 700 posts and won't argue about your conclusion. Well, much. The forum is a bit cliquish, particularly if you're an Auslander (I coulda chosen a better name, that's for sure) but I don't recall every saying it was childish. Despite the fact that some discussions have tended to descend to the level where short trousers, frayed school ties and your best champion conker wouldn't have been out of place. I have seen you say that it can be childish recently, too.

Yes, people will make their own judgement about RH. I don't know if it's really the case but a couple have indicated that Tim Drayton left (a sad loss, I'm sure most would agree) due to arguments with him. True, or not? Also, I've seen S.T.U.D. , after a protracted and heated discussion, announce that he wanted no further discourse with him. CBBB said a while back that RH's entering a thread tended to mark its death knell. These are others judging, not me. And, despite the PR campaign, I'm not some sort of evil Svengali with a malign influence over Paphitis. He speaks for himself and has been arguing with RH and others since long before my appearance. It does appear to have been the case that when Paphitis isn't around RH tends to be blind broadcasting to himself, mostly. So, giving Paphitis so much stick seems a bit masochistic.

I've always been willing to post and like to think I might have some valid views. So far though they've mainly tended to be greeted with being shouted down. Although, apparently, I'm the bully.

I am the Admin. I am also the Moderator. What else? I am also Steve not.
But parts of what I said are absolutely true. Trust me I belong to the underground world

[Paphitis]

Pinky and Perky would only f**k that one up as well. They are not interested in an on going and rather intriguing political pantomime, but some are. If it spills over into related parallel events that just broadens the debate but I am getting pissed off at the two of them turning every post into a personal, and it seems, never ending vendetta.

There you go, see? If I were to respond to that, in a similar tone, you would complain about "personal abuse", having mentally wiped out what actually led to it and adding to your sense of being a bullied victim.

I can't speak for Paphitis (I never have done) but what have you got to lose by giving it a try?

That's right? Which is why I choose to ignore him and his vitriol and very demeaning and insulting posts.

This isn't banter. It's an agenda to discredit me personally for the views I hold until I go away.