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[Robin Hood]

Pyrpolizer:

The Afrin case could be a good start.

Yes ..... but let’s do it on the Syrian thread? But in brief my immediate thoughts and IMO only:

• Afrin is part of Syria that is occupied by Kurdish rebels and the SDF who in turn are supported and armed by the US.

• Turkey is a member of NATO, as is the US, and I feel the US should have more influence than Russia.

• Russia will not use its military to face-off with Turkey as that could give the US cause to apply Article 5 of the NATO rule book ‘.... an attack on one is an attack on all’ and Putin does not want War.

• I am not exactly sure that IF this is all down to Russia how they have managed to acquire that level of influence over Turkish action.

• Why should Russia take military or even diplomatic action to stop Turkey when the Turks are doing a job that will eventually benefit Assad.

• When Assad’s forces are able to move away from clearing other parts of Syria of US backed rebels they will maybe then confront Turkey.

• Then I think Russia may well step in and offer guarantees to Turkey over boarder security.

• I think the Kurds fell for US promises of an independent Kurdistan and this was something the US were in no position to offer.

• The Kurds were offered an autonomous region by Assad in return for peace but they turned it down in preference for the US offer of a Kurdish State.

• I think that was an obvious mistake as the US has the habit of changing their mind to suit what they want rather than honour their promises. They have done it time-and-time again with North Korea.

• I think that maybe the Kurds will eventually settle for autonomy, within a greater Syria, that will give both the Kurds and the Syrians more security from Turkish aggression in future years.

• No country has the right to annex part of another without the consent of those that live there. Which is why I see Crimea or Sth. Ossetia, as being different from say the Golan Heights or the West Bank as the latter were taken by an act of war/aggression by Israel, without the consent of those that live there

• I don’t think there ever was a Kurdistan in history so it is not as if Syria is occupying another country or part of.

We will have to wait and see if the US really does pull out of Syria. That is about the only thing Paphitis has be right about so far ...... but will the US say one thing and then do something else as they so often do? To pull out and then to continue to fund and arm a group of terrorists/rebels would be against International Law ........ not that the concept means that much to the US.
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The interesting situation at the moment seems to be what is happening in Gaza! At least17 Palestinians dead and hundreds injured as the IDF use snipers and drones to prevent the Palestinians getting too close to the border fence (electrified) which is on Palestinian land anyway. There is not very much about it on BBC or SKY but RT is giving the situation a lot of cover live from the Gaza/Israel border. Almost open warfare between a people with no weapons against an occupying force with sophisticated weapons, including chemical and biological and with massive fire power ...... and the West remains silent! Two Russians get poisoned and it is top news in the MSM for a month and leads to accusations against Russia of all sorts of things with no evidence but the same channels ignore the slaughter going on in Gaza ..... and not for the first time.

Any criticism of Israel actions are of course immediately declared as being anti-Semetic, which is maybe why the MSM is not giving it more than cursory news coverage? It could also explain why Corbyn is under attack as an anti-Semite as this action by Israel must have been planned many months ago and he has always stood up for the Palestinian cause ?

[Pyrpolizer]

the forum has always been more pro Russian and anti West.

Actually the forum had nothing to do with any East-West alliance. It spent most of it's life in discussions about the CP

Cyprus in general is that way, although it is tarting to change with the younger generations who have gone to places like UK, USA and Canada for studies. These newer generations of Cypriots are more worldly, and educated, and they are more likely to take a more balanced outlook.

You are actually wrong. The number of Cypriot students getting their education abroad dropped to 1/3rd of what it was 20-30 years before.
About 50% were always going to Greece
http://www.highereducation.ac.cy/en/statistics.html

I might also add, that the polarizations of Cypriot societies in the past, is one of the contributing factors of why Cyprus is divided today.

it could be. the major reason was the division seeds of the implanted 1960 constitution though.

We got done because we were non Alligned and on good terms with the East, and that was a huge risk for NATO which they believed needed to be managed. So they split Cyprus into 2 by hatching out their Double Enosis agenda to place Cyprus under Turkey's and Greece's control and hence under NATO control.
Cyprus has been out of step with the International mainstream for a very long time but its starting to turn and the Americans are now getting a foothold on Cyprus more and more. Relations are improving.

Not true. may I remind you that Egypt and India are still non aligned.Sweden, Austria, Finland, Ireland and Malta are EU countries that are still not in NATO. Cyprus might no be in NATO but it had the 2 British bases here, so what's the difference. Today we are still not in Nato and nearly all our hydrocarbon plots were given to Nato linked countries. At the same time Anastasiades offered the Russians the use of the Naval base at Mari, on exchange of an extension to the repayment period of their 1b(?) loan. On the other hand we buy arms from everywhere including France.

The stupidity that pootin is a "brother" through Orthodoxy is just one of the most daft things ever, plus he is an Atheist anyway.

He is not an atheist. Could you remind me when was the last time Nato invited us to join and we said no??
All I know is that we did our best to join Partnership for Peace which is basically Nato.

We are like the odd one out in Europe, in the EU and an international anomaly.

Gross exaggeration

[Robin Hood]

We learn a little bit more every day that shows that the British Government has been economical with the truth! From Moon of Alabama web site ......

Clinton State Department Suppressed International 'Novichok' Discussions

While the last act of the 'Novichok' drama, the seasonally appropriate resurrection of the Skripals, proceeds, some additional details of the history of 'Novichok' nerve agents come to light.

Details on 'Novichok' nerve agents were published in a 2007 book by Vil Mirzayanaov, a Soviet scientist offered asylum in the United States.

After the publication the U.S. and the UK actively suppressed international discussions about the book and the 'Novichok' chemical weapon agents. Documents from the U.S. State Department published by Wikileaks show that then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton directed her diplomats to not talk about Novichok and to play down the matter should it arise in chemical weapon control talks.

Continued .......

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/clinton-state-department-discouraged-novichok-discussion.html#more

A side note at the end of this article says ........

Sidenote:

There is another Wikileaks document that mentions Vil Mirzanayov. It includes (point 20) the translation of a December 2009 report by the Russian daily paper Nezavisimaya Gazeta, owned by the Berezovsky Media Group, about U.S. attempts to split the tiny Republic of Tatarstan from the Russian Federation. With less than four million inhabitants Tatarstan in the Volga region is a rather irrelevant sub-state of Russia. But even president Obama was involved in the scheme and in October 2009 U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited the Tatar capital Kazan. Vil Mirazayanov played a prominent role in the rather stupid game:

As though in confirmation, the so called "government of Tatarstan in exile" was formed in the United States in December 2008. It is headed by US citizen Vil Mirzayanov, a Russian scientist granted political asylum in the United States. Along with Mirzayanov himself, the alleged government includes two Germans and a Turk. This self-proclaimed government already appealed to the UN to recognize independence of Tatarstan in the manner sovereignty of Kosovo, Abkhazia, and South Ossetia had been.

Vil Mirzanayov signed the bombastic Declaration of Independence of Tatarstan. But as far as I can tell nothing significant came out of the 'Independent Tatarstan' project. In 2014 the U.S. and Turkey used groups of jihadist Tatars they had trained in their unsuccessful attempts to gain control of Crimea. These issues could be related.

SO, DO YOU STILL THINK THERE IS NO OTHER EXPLANATION OTHER THAN THAT RUSSIA DID IT AND THAT THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES THAT HAD THIS STUFF

[yialousa1971]

Poisoning of Sergei Skripal is a False Flag Operation

[Paphitis]

the forum has always been more pro Russian and anti West.

Actually the forum had nothing to do with any East-West alliance. It spent most of it's life in discussions about the CP

Cyprus in general is that way, although it is tarting to change with the younger generations who have gone to places like UK, USA and Canada for studies. These newer generations of Cypriots are more worldly, and educated, and they are more likely to take a more balanced outlook.

You are actually wrong. The number of Cypriot students getting their education abroad dropped to 1/3rd of what it was 20-30 years before.
About 50% were always going to Greece
http://www.highereducation.ac.cy/en/statistics.html

I might also add, that the polarizations of Cypriot societies in the past, is one of the contributing factors of why Cyprus is divided today.

It's impossible to be a member of NATO now, but it wasn't in the 60s. That was our opportunity but we never took it.

But even so, if the RoC made an application to join

it could be. the major reason was the division seeds of the implanted 1960 constitution though.

We got done because we were non Alligned and on good terms with the East, and that was a huge risk for NATO which they believed needed to be managed. So they split Cyprus into 2 by hatching out their Double Enosis agenda to place Cyprus under Turkey's and Greece's control and hence under NATO control.
Cyprus has been out of step with the International mainstream for a very long time but its starting to turn and the Americans are now getting a foothold on Cyprus more and more. Relations are improving.

Not true. may I remind you that Egypt and India are still non aligned.Sweden, Austria, Finland, Ireland and Malta are EU countries that are still not in NATO. Cyprus might no be in NATO but it had the 2 British bases here, so what's the difference. Today we are still not in Nato and nearly all our hydrocarbon plots were given to Nato linked countries. At the same time Anastasiades offered the Russians the use of the Naval base at Mari, on exchange of an extension to the repayment period of their 1b(?) loan. On the other hand we buy arms from everywhere including France.

The stupidity that pootin is a "brother" through Orthodoxy is just one of the most daft things ever, plus he is an Atheist anyway.

He is not an atheist. Could you remind me when was the last time Nato invited us to join and we said no??
All I know is that we did our best to join Partnership for Peace which is basically Nato.

We are like the odd one out in Europe, in the EU and an international anomaly.

Gross exaggeration

It's no exaggeration Pyro.

We are the only member of the EU that is not a member of PfP and one of only 3 or 4 that are not members of NATO.

If we were member's of NATO, we would not be divided today. Egypt and India are big enough and ugly enough to look after themselves, especially India. It is the biggest country in the world now. Sweden, Switzerland, Finland, Ireland and Malta were NEVER very close to Soviet Union or Russia. In fact, Sweden, Austria, Finland, Ireland positively detest Russia and actually sent Russian diplomats back to Russia in support of the UK. None of them were particularly close to the Soviet Union like we were attempting to be and paid the price for.

And Pootin is the one that claimed he was an Atheist under the Soviet era unless he was not telling the truth to appease his Soviet masters. Don't forget he was a KGB agent, and he would have to tow the Party line and that means Atheism. The Orthodox Church was persecuted in the Soviet era.

There are thousands of Cypriots that are currently studying in the UK, and America and all those that have studied in America and the UK are now only just starting to find themselves in prominent positions in Government. The hysterias of the past are vanishing.

[Paphitis]

Poisoning of Sergei Skripal is a False Flag Operation

And the reason for the false flag is what exactly. To bolster Pootin's election of 77%?

[yialousa1971]

Poisoning of Sergei Skripal is a False Flag Operation

And the reason for the false flag is what exactly. To bolster Pootin's election of 77%?

No it’s the same reason Litvinenko was poisoned.

Operation Beluga: A US-UK Plot to Discredit Putin and Destabilize the Russian Federation

EXCLUSIVE: French Spec Ops Captain Paul Barril Reveals How Litvinenko Was Killed, Russian Govt Framed

BOMBSHELL: French Counter-Terror Boss: I Have Proof Who Killed Litvinenko - It Wasnt Russia

He says it was done by US and UK secret services and that he is going to go public with the evidence

Paul Barril

A former French official who has had senior roles in internal security and terror fighting has come forward with a remarkable statement: that he has documentary evidence proving that Alexander Litvinenko, the Russian spy who died from plutonium poisoning, was killed by US and UK special services.

In a lengthy interview which is soon to be published, he goes further, saying that Litvinenkos murder was a special sevices operation designed to defame Russia and Vladimir Putin, that the notorious Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky was involved, and was himself killed by MI6 when he became a liability. He even says he knows the code name of the operation: Beluga.

From Oped News, Monday, March 27:

Operation Beluga: A US-UK Plot to Discredit Putin and Destabilize the Russian Federation

Renowned French security expert Paul Barril has let loose a bombshell: the existence of Operation Beluga, a covert Western intelligence scheme intended to undermine Russia and its leaders.

Is that what's behind much of the threatening rhetoric now going back and forth between the US and Russia?

Barril exposed Operation Beluga in a recent interview with Swiss businessman Pascal Najadi on the 2006 Alexander Litvinenko death case. Litvinenko was a reputed former spy who many believe was murdered with radioactive polonium on orders of Vladimir Putin.

Najadi says the interview drew out the converse revelation that Litvinenko was actually killed by "an Italian who administered the deadly polonium 210." What's more, he astonishingly says, the operation was carried out under the auspices of the US and UK.

In my books The Phony Litvinenko Murder and Litvinenko Murder Case Solved I've written about an Italian connection. But I can't confirm that Barril is talking about the same person.

Barrils allegations should be taken seriously. He is a renowned French intelligence figure who is known in France as Superflic, which translates roughly as Supercop. In the French public eye he is a kind of combination of Eliot Ness, James Bond, and William Bratton. For many years he was the second in command of the ski-mask wearing GIGN, the legendary elite French special forces unit, who top the badass rankings of special forces anywhere, and had other high ranking internal security positions in the French government.

Since leaving government service he has handled security issues as a private contractor for heads of state in the Middle East, Latin America and Africa. He has been at the center of several controversies over the years, and is a well-known author. There is no question that he has access to intelligence at the state level which would give him insights into this affair.



https://robinwestenra.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... ot-to.html

[Paphitis]

Yeh sure, I can really appreciate how the UK is stupid enough to kill what would be extremely valuable resources to their National Security.

You gonna have to do a lot better than that I'm afraid.

[Robin Hood]

Yeh sure, I can really appreciate how the UK is stupid enough to kill what would be extremely valuable resources to their National Security.

You gonna have to do a lot better than that I'm afraid.

But when does a resource become a liability? To work that out you need to delve into the whole thing very deeply ...... just like is happening now with the Skripal's? It looks as if he was maybe a resource that had become a liability? We don't know why and, most likely, if the security services are involved, we never will. Another Dr. David Kelly moment?

Skripal's daughter was just collateral damage, in the wrong place at the wrong time. But one thing is becoming unarguably clear ....... Novichoc or A-234(?) was not what was used. And before you start the ridicule ..... think back ...... it was you that was telling everyone just how deadly this stuff was.

For once you and Putin agree on something! Maybe you should send him a letter of apology for getting it wrong ..... again?

[Londonrake]

Anyway .... let's get back to the thread, shall we?

So it seems. Things have moved on, as they generally do.

However, you didn't seem to pick up on my last remark so I have to take issue. That's down to you. You have never been one to not have the last word, even when your opponent is clearly
trying to tie things off and about to walk away. So be it.

I see you recognised yourself and for the record. my suspension was down to you and you alone, nobody else and all because of what you have demonstrated here ......... and Paphitis does time-and-time-again ......... trot out personal insults and references to events that having nothing to do with matters on the Forum when I won’t bow down to a certain point of view that you promote. You resort to an 'aloof' sarcasm, he resorts to stupidity!

Robin Hood

You have always had a capacity to adopt views, with absolute belief, as though, with just the wave of some sort of intellectual magic wand. At times even the most absurd views.

I don't like to cross-pollinate forums but here is the truth. Admin on your old site is a very switched on guy. Deleted posts are rare, with edited ones clearly marked so and an accompanying explanation but - again - infrequently. He knows what he's doing and moreover he is very tolerant of diverse views.

Nevertheless, you have been suspended from that site for what is now looking like 12 months. He would not have done something so unusually radical if it was a simple case of your responding to a threat from me. There never was a threat, it's a fantasy and the idea of one to your wife or property is nothing more than a self justifying excuse for your appalling behaviour.

Last August, on a thread about North Korea, we had one of our occasional disagreements After what you refered to as a number of "personal abuse" posts (actually, it amounted to nothing more than my calling a spade a spade) you started what was to become a very acrimonious exchange ( you always start them). When it got to the point of your posting a tome, Admin deleted it all. This made you very, very angry. In response you sent me a very silly PM. You wrote of a "reaction" if I dared contribute a further post, which in your personal judgement crossed a self appointed red line. It left little to the imagination and included the threatened involvement of third parties. Apparently Russian, Polish and Cypriot friends of yours. Frankly, given your previous demonstration of a capacity to involve third parties in your internet squabbles, it worried me. It seems my reporting that clear breach of forum rules to Admin made me a "spineless bully", although, your complaining about what you perceive as personal abuse to him and your penchant for involving other people off-forum in your squabbles is something entirely different. The stuff of heroes?

At no time in that poison pen PM did you suggest that your angrygram was in response to some sort of phantom threat against you that I had made. Consequently, and against my wishes, you were suspended. That is what happened. I didn't get you suspended, you did, by your tendency to let emotional instability rule your actions. You have done it time and time again but for some reason have never learned the lesson.

If you have a problem remembering this then I would be happy to post the message you sent to me. I have it as page one on a file which, when I sought legal advice 6 months ago, I was advised to keep.

BTW. Absolutely nothing that ever transpired between us even approaches the sort of stuff that takes place between yourself and Paphitis. Although, oddly enough, that never seems to reach the dizzy heights of "libelous".

Hereabouts, your biggest ally seems to be a foul-mouthed drunk, who views all Brits that don't share his views as racist "cunts" and your home country as "a shit stain". What does that say about where you are nowadays?

Paphitis.

Paphitis and I have been exchanging PMs and emails for quite some time now. I don't keep them but believe that most were about things Australian. We have a mutual interest in defence matters. 20+ years ago I was fortunate in being the Project Manager of a mutual RAF/RAAF software development project and visited them on many occasions. I mainly visited RAAF Edinburgh in Adelaide but also did some presentations to their senior staff at Canberra and Nowra - the Aussie Acoustics Analysis Unit. Of course, it was all the usual programmed, military robotic, inside the box, button pushing stuff.

So, given Paphitis's, what became apparent, quite intimate knowledge of all this stuff we obviously got on fairly well. In particular we have a mutual interest in the new UK/Aus procurement of the Boeing P8 Maritime Patrol Aircraft. I should also add that I checked him out and- surprise, surprise! He is actually what he says he is. Sorry mate.

I am of course the "Great Satan" but much of what Paphitis has said about RH has been gleaned from his membership of another forum. Other than that, I don't really know. I have, for instance, absolutely no bleedin' idea who RH's loved one that he should get in touch with and make up with is.

Miltilades

When he lived in London I don't think Milti and I got on at all well. It's a long time ago and all a bit vague. However, since he's been here I think he has mellowed a bit. Anyway, I got around to meeting up with him one evening last June when we shared a bottle or two of very nice Shiraz in a Limassol, beach-side taverna.

II suspect this is one of the few things RH and I would agree upon, Milti is a really very nice guy. A gentleman. We chatted a bit about the forum of course, mainly the people he had met up with (many it seemed). There was absolutely no "Slagging off" At one point I spoke on his phone to his young wife, who seemed like a lovely lady. I appreciate he can be somewhat "animated" but can say that really, in the flesh, he is the quintessential gentle man. The amount of vitriol he attracts astonishes me.

GR

One of my first attempts to enter debate proper on here was to post what I thought was a quite innocuous, counter-view of an event in Russia. Basically, some poor nobody bastard was intimidated, beaten up and in the end had to flee for his life out of the country. That, for something which would be seen as quite routine hereabouts, adverse comments about his country's involvement in a foreign war. All that violence and intimidation, with the authorities not just turning a blind eye but actually encouraging. Yet the irony is that those who echo every syllable out of Moscow simply either can't see or reject it. And they call us "sheep".

My main point being, that we take all our posting here as a God-given freedom, then some who do, defend this sort of country, where they would be on the end of similar treatment.

The result? Well, RH immediately weighs in with his view. That I was just trying to wind GR up. That's my nature you see And perhaps I was unlucky but maybe it was routine, GR was clearly out of his brains. So, I had all these posts about how, as a Brit, I should spend life on my knees, praying for forgiveness for my nations terrible sins, blah, blah. Apparently the worst on the planet. I think Hiroshima and Nagasaki featured, as did the evil deeds of the SAS (ever checked with RH about those GR?).

IIRC it was something like 50-60 posts, between the 3 of us, before any of the other 2 actually got around to mentioning the OP. Total wankers both. Congratulations though, never again. Agree among yourselves

At some point I did try to tone things down and be conciliatory but GR just threw it back in my face. As did RH when, out of simple courtesy, I offered him and his wife a drink at Christmas in my club.

So, I hear you Paphitis, understand and thank you. Plus, if GR wants a beer then, with you there, as referee, I will go for it. I am not holding my breath though and I'm certainly not somebody who will be intimidated, either on here or out there.

Apart from that, I have no strong feelings about any of the personalities on this forum.