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[Pyrpolizer]

It’s very easy to identify a propaganda site from another which is not. Basically a propaganda site either provides false evidence or no evidence at all. I have read almost all the links RH provided and I am sorry to say that the only propaganda I noticed was that coming from MM that form the leading views.
You also have to distinguish between conspiracy theories and alternative views. When I implied to you that it’s the UK who poisoned Skripal I did that on purpose because in the absence of any evidence that’s a conspiracy theory-albeit of the same magnitude as the other conspiracy theory (that the Russians did it) promoted by the UK Government.

C'mon Pyro, what evidence did these websites provide ever? All they provide is a bunch of conspiracy theories and anti west sentiment. Someone must be responsible for the poisoning of the Skiprals on British soil using Chemical weapons.

The state resonsible must have possession of these Chemical nerve Agents and have the motive and reason to do it and there is only one country with a motive and which has possession of these substances.

They provided all the evidence that the UK has no evidence
What else did you expect them to provide? Evidence the the Martians did it??
The state that must have... (why a state on te first place, and why must have)
Nerve agent.... the latest evidence from the hospital itself that they are recovering contradicts with the assumption of a "nerve agent"
Motive and reason.... never publicly announced, so what was the motive and what the reason??

you see in just one sentence you summarized all the mainstream fallacies. Good job Paphitis

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[Paphitis]

They provided all the evidence that the UK has no evidence
What else did you expect them to provide? Evidence the the Martians did it??
The state that must have... (why a state on te first place, and why must have)
Nerve agent.... the latest evidence from the hospital itself that they are recovering contradicts with the assumption of a "nerve agent"
Motive and reason.... never publicly announced, so what was the motive and what the reason??

you see in just one sentence you summarized all the mainstream fallacies. Good job Paphitis

This is something that is impossible to prove. The Americans can probably provide testimony from a Russian Scientist that had developed the nerve agent and that Russia has a stockpile. But how can the West prove it without seeing the stockpile? There is probably some intel from various sources about it too, probably even some intercepted comms, but the West would be accused of doctoring it.

We could even say that there is no evidence that Turkey is responsible for the violations into Greek Airspace. Without photographing or recording every single violation, how is Greece able to prove that Turkey is responsible? The same argument can be made here too.

The websites fail to explain who else might be possible. They fail to explain who else has the motive and access to this nerve Agent of which there is only one likely source.

Even the timing just before Russian elections favours Pootin and can only serve to bolster his support,They fail to explain that too.

But they are not known for the truth or for common sense! just anti Western hysteria.

[Pyrpolizer]

It's not in his opinion that he thinks the EU will collapse. he wants it to collapse and there is a very big difference. To him, the EU = NATO and an extension of capitalism and American Imperialism.

You have stated that in your opinion Turkey will steal hydrocarbons. It hasn't done so thus far. And if it does, it will be stealing not just from Cyprus but from American, French, Italian and Israeli interests. That will be no small thing and there will be consequences for Turkey.

French and Israeli?? Fyi the Turks already announced they are going to drill in plot 3. Plot 3 is adjacent to occupied Famagusta.
Do you want to make a bet?
here's my bet
Eni will extract from one hole, the Turks will extract from another. No one will move his little finger to do anything about it.
What's your bet and what will the consequences be for Turkey?

[Paphitis]

It's not in his opinion that he thinks the EU will collapse. he wants it to collapse and there is a very big difference. To him, the EU = NATO and an extension of capitalism and American Imperialism.

You have stated that in your opinion Turkey will steal hydrocarbons. It hasn't done so thus far. And if it does, it will be stealing not just from Cyprus but from American, French, Italian and Israeli interests. That will be no small thing and there will be consequences for Turkey.

French and Israeli?? Fyi the Turks already announced they are going to drill in plot 3. Plot 3 is adjacent to occupied Famagusta.
Do you want to make a bet?
here's my bet
Eni will extract from one hole, the Turks will extract from another. No one will move his little finger to do anything about it.
What's your bet and what will the consequences be for Turkey?

Drilling and extracting are 2 different things, but both are violations of international law.

If Turkey does this, it would be stealing from the licensee of plot 3. That's an Italian company.

The Turks so far have not drilled.they have made claims but there has been no action as of yet. And if they do it, will there be no response from the EU, such as withholding the last tranche of EU funding? What about the Americans and Israelis. If they let Turkey get away with it, Turkey will just bust everyone's balls.

[Robin Hood]

Pyrpolizer:

They provided all the evidence that the UK has no evidence
What else did you expect them to provide? Evidence the the Martians did it??
The state that must have... (why a state on te first place, and why must have)
Nerve agent.... the latest evidence from the hospital itself that they are recovering contradicts with the assumption of a "nerve agent"
Motive and reason.... never publicly announced, so what was the motive and what the reason??

you see in just one sentence you summarized all the mainstream fallacies. Good job Paphitis

Paphitis:

This is something that is impossible to prove. The Americans can probably provide testimony from a Russian Scientist that he developed the nerve agent and that Russia has a stockpile. But how can the West prove it. There is probably some intel from various sources about it too, probably even some intercepted comms, but the West we be accused of doctoring it

But the OPCW CAN prove that the Russian Federation has destroyed ALL its 40,000 tons of chemical weapons (all left over from the days of the USSR) and there is no evidence at all that they are producing these weapons now. To prove otherwise would be trying to prove a negative it would be an impossible task to do so.

But Porton Down has them, otherwise they could not have identified this Novichok in a matter of a just few days! Which is now doubtful they ever did anyway. That is why ‘likely a type developed by the Russians’ was used by May and Johnson instead of a positive statement.

The websites fail to explain who else might be possible. They fail to explain who else has the motive and access to this nerve Agent of which there is only one likely source.

But that is just it .... THEY DO! But you never read them anyway so how would you know what they explain. You can come to your conclusion without even reading them! Hence why I posted The Saker blogs 5 episodes of an analysis of the Skripal incident by Sushi. That is EXACTLY what he/she did. So you are talking rubbish about something you never even took the trouble to read. That is why you are so ill-informed and make such a fool of yourself!

The guy now living in the US who was associated with the programme (he was not the developer of Novichok .... which is not what it was called by the Russians ..... Teresa May got the name from a TV Series recently run on the BBC ) wrote a book that described the method and the formula in the 1990’s and it can be produced by most competent military laboratories, including Porton Down and Labs in the US. So to say there is only one source is simply .... a ‘Conspiracy Theory’!

Even the timing just before Russian elections favours Pootin and can only serve to bolster his support, they fail to explain that too.

Why would Putin do that? It makes no sense! He was bound to win anyway as his popularity rating in Russia was in the 70%+ range and he had no credible opposition. He had no reason to want to kill Skripal as he could have done so at any time when he was jailed in Russia as a traitor to his country. Why wait twelve years and do it in such an incompetent fashion? I am afraid MI6 and the CIA had a far greater reason for shutting him up ..... but the MSM don’t tell you that.

But they are not known for the truth or for common sense!

By you maybe, but, for most of those with the ability to apply common sense and analyse what they read, they are far more credible sources of information than the MSM. Why do you think Google et al have changed their algorithms to push access to sites with alternate views out of the first dozen or so pages and now devote them to all the MSM official views? 'They' do not want people to make up their own minds ..... 'They' prefer useful idiots like you, that believe everything they feed you without questioning it!

[Robin Hood]

Pyrpolizer: Just to put the record straight ........
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Paphitis as you will no doubt appreciate is a rather nasty, spiteful little man and decides to make personal comments, that have no more validity than his posts:

He even got kicked out from his other forum and most people there think he is an idiot, including people that have met him face to face just don't want to see the idiot again because they say he is a toxic person.

This is completely untrue, in fact just like this site I had those that agreed with me and those that didn’t. I was suspended from that site because of one memer who went crying to the site owner when I told him that threatening me would invite repercussions. Having achieved satisfaction he then followed me here, befriended Paphitis, but got short shrift from other forum members and has toned down his comments on this forum. So, it had nothing to do with my views and, as I only ever met this person and one other from that forum, the comments are completely unfounded.

In fact a few of them had warned me when he was trying to arrange a meet with me. They told me not to go anywhere near him. Some others actually feel sorry for him and his lonely existence but they blame his situation on him, because the Brit Community in Cyprus is pretty open, laid back and quite friendly to most people. But just like he has alienated them, he has alienated our very own and respected Tim Drayton. He was a member that I disagreed with many times, or rather he disagreed with me, but I considered him a forum friend and all round nice guy

These are the same phantom members that send him PM's criticising me .... but only exist in Paphitis imagination. He has only ever met the member that caused the problem on the other forum by doing just what Paphitis does on here, but he started implying there were other members '.....out to get me', knew where I lived etc. etc. and having achieved his aim he then followed me onto this forum. If what Paphitis is saying is true then it came from that member and only that member.

I don’t chose the ex-pat lifestyle of socialising and drinking mostly to excess. But most of our friends are Cypriots or those married to Cypriots and are Polish, Russian, Ukraine, French, German and of course some English!

If Tim Drayton left because of me he has never said so and if he left simply because he didn’t like some of my views he should do exactly what he has done .... don’t comment on forums!

I wouldn't place too much credibility in anything Paphitis says ..... he lives on a different Planet to most of us!

[Get Real!]

I suggest everyone cuts back on the personal attacks and concentrate on the topics at hand and demonstrate their wit/humor.

We are here to entertain each other... not cause incessant ill feelings, so everyone kiss-kiss and make up please! (all threads not just this one)

We may well be the greatest collection of hard-headed, stubborn, opinionated, pompous geezers on the planet but that doesn’t mean we can’t get along!

[Pyrpolizer]

If Tim Drayton left because of me he has never said so and if he left simply because he didn’t like some of my views he should do exactly what he has done .... don’t comment on forums!

To be honest I did follow the link Paphitis gave me that presumably included the reason why Tim left .
The fact is I have followed that discussion in the past.
There's nothing in there other than agreement that each one of you guys voted pro or against Brexit based on your own view on the matter.

I don't think Tim left the forum in protest. He just stopped posting as many others already have.
He is a professional translator from English to Turkish and vice versa, and he often presented the forum interesting articles from Turkish papers. He really beleived and hoped Cyprus would get re-united. He was a pro-solution guy.

I think the reasons he stopped posting in the forum are because
a)GC/TC discussions on the CY problem are now totally dead-nobody cares anymore.
b)After Brexit there's nothing interesting in this forum for a British guy who now lives and works in Cyprus to talk about.

[Londonrake]

This is completely untrue, in fact just like this site I had those that agreed with me and those that didn’t. I was suspended from that site because of one memer who went crying to the site owner when I told him that threatening me would invite repercussions. Having achieved satisfaction he then followed me here, befriended Paphitis, but got short shrift from other forum members and has toned down his comments on this forum. So, it had nothing to do with my views and, as I only ever met this person and one other from that forum, the comments are completely unfounded.

Oh, come on. Despite strongly disagreeing with many of your views I've done a pretty good job of staying out of your hair in here for some time now and that's a little unfair.

The idea that I threatened you or - a total myth - your (very nice) Wife, or property , simply isn't true. It's a fallacy you've created in order to self justify your totally OTT actions at the time. I'm sure somewhere in there, deep down, you appreciate that. You simply got very angry and went hyper, in a totally unacceptable way. I wasn't about to accept that (who would?) and that's why you were suspended. These are small chat forums FFS, not the centre of the bleedin' universe. If you get that intense, chances are you're taking it far too seriously and should perhaps step back. There are one or two others in here who would benefit from that advice, too.

As far as "went crying" is concerned, you yourself, several times, wrote to Admin to complain about what you construed as "personal abuse". I disagree with that interpretation and judging by the lack of response so did Admin. In fact, you've done the same, with similar results, in here previously. So I think you're being a tad hypocritical. You are not averse to "running to Admin" yourself and for much less reason than I had. Nevertheless, at the time, I spoke to them and asked that you shouldn't be suspended and have regretted that you were but - there you go.

Where Paphitis is concerned I am certain that nothing I've said to him has contributed to the way he feels about you. Furthermore, he's been a member of the other forum for quite some time, including the Debate section, obviously under an alternate nom de plume and using a surprisingly different style of posting. So he will I'm sure have been well aware of some of the altercations we've previously had. What I certainly haven't done is to deliberately wind him up to the point where he appears and starts poking you in the chest.

I don't want to interfere with your discourse in here and certainly have no desire to become a combatant in your endless wars but if you keep making derogatory comments about me I will do so.

As far as your latest buzz word "libelous" is concerned, well, you're no angel, which of course is all a matter of record.

What I will add is that your current (interminable) war is with Paphitis; however, I can't recall a time in the past 7 years when you weren't involved in bitter exchanges with somebody or other. I was simply one of many. Nevertheless, despite the number of people who have walked away from forums because of you, or simply refuse to engage in any meaningful exchanges, you still seem to persist with the odd idea that you are in some way an innocent and even sometimes bullied, victim.

If you leave me alone - I will reciprocate. What's your pleasure?

[Londonrake]

I suggest everyone cuts back on the personal attacks and concentrate on the topics at hand and demonstrate their wit/humor.

We are here to entertain each other... not cause incessant ill feelings, so everyone kiss-kiss and make up please! (all threads not just this one)

We may well be the greatest collection of hard-headed, stubborn, opinionated, pompous geezers on the planet but that doesn’t mean we can’t get along!

You have absolutely got to be joking:

Of course to a racist British CUNT like you.................. Has Paphitis ever touched you at all... in places mommy said men shouldn’t? I’m starting to get comfortable to the idea that apart from suffering from severe hypocrisy you must also be plain stupid. RH, you need to watch and learn from the more experienced how to crush a hypocrite in like two posts instead of running around in circles till the cows come home My posts are not aggressive. Instead of delivering seasoned debaters to the forum you’re giving us psychologically damaged weaklings. He is a bit of a girl. DT told me his wife wears the pants at home. Anyway, I reckon you’re finished in here and there’s no point in me tearing a carcass apart any further. I’ve assigned Kurupet as your personal Abuse Case Officer… he’ll be in touch (I mean non-physical contact) soon.

That's just some of the contents of ONE occasion where I dared to post an OP you didn't approve of - on "your" forum. There've been more since.

When you sort your own act out then perhaps you can start credibly dispensing advice to people on how to behave correctly. That being, in a civilised manner.