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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:29 pm

Paphitis:

Hey shit for brains!

I DO NOT READ YOUR POSTS OR REPLY

YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME DICK-HEAD!


WELL YOU READ THAT ONE AND REPLIED ..... :lol: :lol: :lol: and you will read this one but when it comes to justifying your point of view ..... YOU CAN'T because it is you that has shit for brains. You just revert to insults and obscenities which is all you've got in your arsenal or is it just that you suffer from verbal diarrhoea because you sure are full-o-shit ?


Does the right hand know what the left hand is doing? :roll:

2 days ago ......

Sergei And Yulia Skripal 'May Never Recover Fully' After Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack, Theresa May Says - PM says 130 people in city could have been exposed to Novichok.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... cad049e75a


2 hours ago ........

Yulia Skripal no longer in critical condition, say Salisbury doctors

Daughter of Sergei Skripal said to be improving rapidly while former spy remains critical after nerve agent poisoning.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/29/yulia-skripal-no-longer-in-critical-condition-says-salisbury-nhs


I have to just say that IF it was the Russians that did this dastardly deed, their nerve agents, that are a 1000 times more powerful than Sarin/VX that was developed in the west, is obviously absolute rubbish and looks like it only affects pensioners !!

And given that we have expert opinion on the forum that the other 23 are terminal (Although May says it's 130)..... somebody around here obviously doesn’t know what they are talking about? :roll:

Also on RT a Western expert on WMD has said that the OPCW has found no link so far, between the nerve agent (assuming it was a nerve agent that was used) and Putin or for that matter Russia even! Of course it's RT so that will just be propaganda ....... until the MSM decides to release this .... which I doubt they will. They won't want to disappoint the Putin bashers like you! :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:44 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:If you want to think out of the square, Western Nations have just expelled 150 Russian Diplomats and they are accusing them of being spies.


Are you trying to tell me they always knew that they were spies but couldn't find any better excuse to expel them, other than presumably side by the UK for the Skripal case? Nice one Paphitis. :wink: :lol:


I would also like to think that our Intelligence Communities would have a rough idea as to who the spies are.

I am not sure how it all works. but when Australia announced it was expelling Russian Consular Staff, the Government claimed that they were all undeclared spies. I find that terminology fascinating. And if they were undeclared spies, how did they find out about it?

Which has me wondering. Does this mean that it is ok for Russia to send spies as long as they declare them? I find that quite odd and strange.

I know that the media can get things wrong on a regular basis. Especially on very technical issues. For instance, whenever there is a plane crash, most media articles are an absolute pain to read. The innacuracies through sheer ignorance (mostly) on their part sometimes knows no bounds.

Why would Russia declare its spies to Australia? And if it does declare its spies, why would Australia allow them in?

Would Australia declare its spies overseas? I somehow doubt it! :roll:


I think the term they use is diplomats "identified as undeclared intelligence officers" - meaning they are suspected to be spies.
The declared ones might for example be registered as diplomats in the US embassy in Australia, dealing with collecting information on organized crime, terrorism etc on behalf of the US. Not all kinds of intelligence is bad for a country, in fact in many cases intelligence from Embassies exchange information with the country that hosts them.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:12 pm

Paphitis wrote:I DO NOT READ YOUR POSTS OR REPLY


The rest of us do however, and I don't understand this childish attitude considering RH has a leading view on the subject been discussed.
I personally only skipped most of Milti's-Snauzer's exchange of posts after I realized they were out of topic.
I did read all the rest
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:39 pm

Another and slightly broader view by a well informed critic of Western foreign policy ……

UK Fusion Doctrine: Britain’s USA Patriot Act - by Stephen Lendman

Principles of both differ, their aims similar.

The USA Patriot Act – aka Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act – purportedly aimed to combat Islamic terrorism Washington created and supports worldwide.
Increased military spending followed. So did endless wars of aggression in multiple theaters, along with eroding homeland freedoms.

The 9/11 mother of all false flags unleashed state-sponsored, media supported, mass hysteria – the pretext for waging war on humanity at home and abroad.

The Patriot Act was written long before 9/11, on the shelf to be introduced and enacted into law weeks after that fateful day.

Britain’s Fusion Doctrine didn’t suddenly emerge in the wake of the March 4 Skripal incident. These initiatives take considerable time and debate to draft.

It had to have been prepared well in advance of the state-sponsored Skripal incident, justifying what’s clearly unjustifiable.

Continues ........

http://stephenlendman.org/2018/03/uk-fusion-doctrine-britains-usa-patriot-act/
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Get Real! » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:31 pm

Has the nuclear war started yet? :lol:

I reckon Russia would wipe the floor with everyone... the West is just too lax and overconfident.

By the time a bureaucratic Western system gets anything done its 4 year term is basically over and billions squandered, whereas all the Russian president needs to do is make a phone call and issue an order effective immediately!

Such speed and efficiency in decision making should be paramount in military performance when push goes to shove.

The US as an example, is still debating whether their 1960's Minuteman III nukes should be upgraded, replaced, or some other method implemented... a debate that began 2-3 presidents ago and is still ongoing! :roll:

In 9/11 we all saw how the US literally paralyzed for weeks after 10 odd buildings collapsed in a city center... imagine the paralysis had NY gotten nuked! I doubt they'd recover let alone respond!

The US has gradually evolved into a complex gargantuan bureaucratic system that is both too slow to react to emergencies and too interest-driven to make wise decisions for the nation as a whole.

Russia on the other hand can be super-efficient in this department in that a wise leader has no obstacles in laying down instructions in an emergency.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:37 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:If you want to think out of the square, Western Nations have just expelled 150 Russian Diplomats and they are accusing them of being spies.


Are you trying to tell me they always knew that they were spies but couldn't find any better excuse to expel them, other than presumably side by the UK for the Skripal case? Nice one Paphitis. :wink: :lol:


I would also like to think that our Intelligence Communities would have a rough idea as to who the spies are.

I am not sure how it all works. but when Australia announced it was expelling Russian Consular Staff, the Government claimed that they were all undeclared spies. I find that terminology fascinating. And if they were undeclared spies, how did they find out about it?

Which has me wondering. Does this mean that it is ok for Russia to send spies as long as they declare them? I find that quite odd and strange.

I know that the media can get things wrong on a regular basis. Especially on very technical issues. For instance, whenever there is a plane crash, most media articles are an absolute pain to read. The innacuracies through sheer ignorance (mostly) on their part sometimes knows no bounds.

Why would Russia declare its spies to Australia? And if it does declare its spies, why would Australia allow them in?

Would Australia declare its spies overseas? I somehow doubt it! :roll:


I think the term they use is diplomats "identified as undeclared intelligence officers" - meaning they are suspected to be spies.
The declared ones might for example be registered as diplomats in the US embassy in Australia, dealing with collecting information on organized crime, terrorism etc on behalf of the US. Not all kinds of intelligence is bad for a country, in fact in many cases intelligence from Embassies exchange information with the country that hosts them.


The language they are using Pyro is that they know they are 100% Russian spies. It is absolute language, however, that doesn't mean that they are. It's possible that some of them certainly are not spies and that Australia and many other Western countries that have expelled "diplomats" are not telling the truth. This is a Cold War going on and not everything will be the truth.

But you might have a point. Ally countries like the USA and UK also have their spies in their Embassies in Australia, however, these spies are probably known to Australian Intelligence and/or declared so that they do not cause an incident. In addition, the intelligence is shared so an American Spy is pretty much on our side most of the time. What they would not do is subvert Australia.

Russian spies however, are spying against Australian Interests. In fact Russia is considered to be an enemy State, not an ally so there must be a difference.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:42 am

Get Real! wrote:Has the nuclear war started yet? :lol:

I reckon Russia would wipe the floor with everyone... the West is just too lax and overconfident.

By the time a bureaucratic Western system gets anything done its 4 year term is basically over and billions squandered, whereas all the Russian president needs to do is make a phone call and issue an order effective immediately!

Such speed and efficiency in decision making should be paramount in military performance when push goes to shove.

The US as an example, is still debating whether their 1960's Minuteman III nukes should be upgraded, replaced, or some other method implemented... a debate that began 2-3 presidents ago and is still ongoing! :roll:

In 9/11 we all saw how the US literally paralyzed for weeks after 10 odd buildings collapsed in a city center... imagine the paralysis had NY gotten nuked! I doubt they'd recover let alone respond!

The US has gradually evolved into a complex gargantuan bureaucratic system that is both too slow to react to emergencies and too interest-driven to make wise decisions for the nation as a whole.

Russia on the other hand can be super-efficient in this department in that a wise leader has no obstacles in laying down instructions in an emergency.


Now come on, let's be realistic here. A Nuvlear attack will mean bye bye to Russia inside a few hours.

How on earth is a country with less GDP than Turkey going to fight The Western World? Good luck with that one mate. :wink:

Next thing is a country like North Korea will be threatening the West. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:44 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I DO NOT READ YOUR POSTS OR REPLY


The rest of us do however, and I don't understand this childish attitude considering RH has a leading view on the subject been discussed.
I personally only skipped most of Milti's-Snauzer's exchange of posts after I realized they were out of topic.
I did read all the rest


He doesn't Pyro. He is only posting propaganda from websites like The Saker and Information Clearing House and other conspiracy sites. Not many people take him seriously (except for Milti and maybe you) and his views are not leading. Tim Drayton left because of this arsehole.

And, his posts are vitriolic and personal attacks to boot!

He even got kicked out from his other forum and most people there think he is an idiot, including people that have met him face to face just don't want to see the idiot again because they say he is a toxic person.

In fact a few of them had warned me when he was trying to arrange a meet with me. They told me not to go anywhere near him. Some others actually feel sorry for him and his lonely existence but they blame his situation on him, because the Brit Community in Cyprus is pretty open, laid back and quite friendly to most people. But just like he has alienated them, he has alienated our very own and respected Tim Drayton. He was a member that I disagreed with many times, or rather he disagreed with me, but I considered him a forum friend and all round nice guy. :cry:

I will take Tim Drayton any day over this arsehole and if you start a poll, you will find that most people here would do the same because he is a gentleman, and that is something alien to Hoodwinked. Tim Drayton was also a patriot to Cyprus and eager for a Cyprus Solution. This guy is not. He continuously claims that he knows nothing about Cyprus politics even though he lives there but at the same time claims to know more about Ukraine and Syria because he reads The Saker. :lol: Go figure the logic yourself. Well, I have figured and many times he has made some comments which go against Cypriot Interests and which are supportive of Turkey. He will deny it. But many times he has ridiculed Cyprus on its hydrocarbons, and its ability to get a solution. In fact, he will tell you that Cyprus should accept ALL of Turkey's claims regarding Cyprus and he calls that a solution. he said this many times. :lol:

Unless of course you want to claim that all the Brits are stupid and he is smart. that isn't the case I'm afraid.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Get Real! » Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:55 am

Paphitis wrote:Now come on, let's be realistic here. A Nuvlear attack will mean bye bye to Russia inside a few hours.

How on earth is a country with less GDP than Turkey going to fight The Western World? Good luck with that one mate. :wink:

Next thing is a country like North Korea will be threatening the West. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I’ll tell you again for the 3rd time… you don’t have “hours”.

Russia’s latest Mach 10 or Mach 12 multi-warhead (Satan II) missiles need only about 20-25 minutes to reach the furthest of targets on this planet.

You simply won’t have the luxury of “hours”…

After a flash, I can picture Paphitis freezing in a "cast" over in Australia like the poor Pompeii victims! :lol:

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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:45 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Now come on, let's be realistic here. A Nuvlear attack will mean bye bye to Russia inside a few hours.

How on earth is a country with less GDP than Turkey going to fight The Western World? Good luck with that one mate. :wink:

Next thing is a country like North Korea will be threatening the West. :lol:

I’ll tell you again for the 3rd time… you don’t have “hours”.

Russia’s latest Mach 10 or Mach 12 multi-warhead (Satan II) missiles need only about 20-25 minutes to reach the furthest of targets on this planet.

You simply won’t have the luxury of “hours”…

After a flash, I can picture Paphitis freezing in a "cast" over in Australia like the poor Pompeii victims! :lol:

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I think you are quite mistaken.

Imagine 400 ICBMs being launched at Russia simultaneously. There won't be a Russia and that my friend is why there is no chance in hell Russia will ever launch against the USA or one of its allies like the UK.

The USA does not have a first strike policy either. but our ICBMs are a lot closer to Russia than their's are to America, and whilst the Americans won't launch first, Moscow will turn to glass first before New York and the Americans have a far greater chance of defending themselves with their Air Defence they have been perfecting for 40 odd years and placing all over Europe which is what Pootin hates the most because he knows that our Air Defence has tipped the scales to our favour and mean certain defeat for Russia should a Nuclear Exchange ever take place.

Go play with the pool little sick men of Europe like Turkey old boy! Just stay within your league! :lol: :lol: :lol:

BTW, the Minuteman 11s have a speed of Mach 23 or 28,000 km/hr! That's probably why they call it a Minuteman! Because you probably only got a minute to prepare for certain death. :lol:

Tridents have a speed of Mach 24 or 29,000 km/hr!

So how quickly do you think Pootin can say his Orthodox Prayers before he is friggin incinerated in 0.000001 second?
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That's the reason why the USA doesn't need any newer ICBMs. It's because Pootin is boasting about Mach 12 when the Americans have Mach 24 ICBMs from 1962. They friggin sent man to the moon in 1967 for friggin sakes! :lol:
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