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[MrH]

LIARS! Akinci and Anastasiades!

These two characters controlling our administrations are a bunch of LIARS!

This is a Post to highlight how these two individuals are tricking our people.

FACTS:
1. They pose as if they are negotiating a settlement when they are clearly avoiding it at TAX payers expense.

2. They have both blamed either side for its failure after holding SECRETIVE so-called “cautiously optimistic” negotiations for a few years now (2014 and on).

3. Apparently the latest round failed because of the Greek Cypriots not accepting Turkish Guarantees, and the Turkish Cypriots wanting them - did they NOT know those positions prior to their many meetings - LIARS!

4. The TRNC is obviously CONTROLLED by Turkey as one of its Provinces, otherwise you wouldn't be able to Land a plane on that side or build international Hotels sponsored by Turkey, while the Greek Cypriot side apparently watches and accepts these practices - LIARS again!

5. Tax payers money on both sides have been PAYING for these fruitless negotiations for years (40 + years) with absolutely NO resolution in sight.

6. Our leaders happily and falsely, and coincidentally, hold these fruitless negotiations in a timely manner after their elections and until the next set of national elections to only end in failure and restart again talking about exactly the same parameters until their next respective elections - LIARS!

7. In the meantime, Britain still maintains Two so called sovereign bases even though the original Cyprus constitution is on hold until a Comprehensive settlement!

8. The EU accepted Cyprus under it umbrella to help aide a solution, but in reality it has further distanced the two sides from one another by creating a thick political divide - and especially now that the UK is soon to leave too!

9. The Greek Cypriot lead ROC has now apparently overcome its so called financial collapse after stealing millions of Euros from its citizen's accounts.

10. The Turkish Cypriot side's economy is completely none-existent and financed by Turkey only.

11. Both peoples of Cyprus are unable to settle on either side as they are locked under political negotiations aiming to form a Never federal solution.

12. As it's been over 40 (FORTY) long years of pointless negotiations, who are these politicians kidding when they say that they are aiming for a bi-com, bi-zonal settlement when they kill the talks based on only one reason for failure - Guarantees!

13. Where is the EU and UN in all these negotiations?

14. Turkey has assimilated Northern Cyprus completely into its political establishment to the extent that it [the TRNC] operates better than any one of its other Turkish provinces!

15. The Turkish Cypriots complain about a lack of "Recognition" when they fluently operate under Turkey with all of the benefits as any other citizen of Turkey and more!

16. If everything apart from the subject of Guarantees is left to agree to, why hasn't a federal agreement been signed where Turkey's guarantees can be taken up by the UN Council at an upper level with the EU and Permanent members of the UN at a later date?

17. Why is it that both the leaders of Turkey and Greece were able to meet and shake hands recently agreeing to the extension of the “Ceyhan” Pipeline project. If these two leaders are so at odds together about an important "National" issue such Cyprus, why are they agreeing to business deals in other areas? You don't see North Korea and South Korea agreeing in areas of Tourism and etc - what's going on?

18. How in the hell can BOTH sides agree on the Opening of the CEASE FIRE LINE and make loads of money from our happy shoppers, and not agree on parameters that may never come to reality (like guarantees and other redlines?)

19. If the TRNC is an "Occupied Zone" and the "South" is not recognised by Turkey, why and how can our administrations allow our people freely cross over?

Our leaders are a load of Liars, and although I can go on forever listing many other discrepancies in their failed so called hard-line policies from how they agree in the areas of Tourism, Education and even Finance, it's evident that the Cyprus issue to our so called Politicians protecting our interests are in total agreement with each other as if they weren't, I'm sure we would have seen a crisis by now.
Let's face the facts that an agreement will never be secured, while the Status quo, especially not with Turkey no longer wishing for EU entry (but has a fully working Customs Union with the EU - agreed by Cyprus!) will remain forever.

This is where I leave this forum once and for all for my Great Grandchildren one day to re-engage and reiterate what I have said above in 20 years time! And also because my health is not at its best anymore – I am getting old!

Do yourselves a favour and close this forum, switch off, do something more worth while as our Political leaders are a bunch of time-wasting Liars!

Have a nice life everyone. I am not saying that as a Turkish Cypriot, but as a human being advising you all to live your lives without the disease of this FALSE Cyprus problem controlling your everyday lives.

God bless you all.

[DrCyprus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL9OZrPZw44

[DT.]

LIARS! Akinci and Anastasiades!

These two characters controlling our administrations are a bunch of LIARS!

This is a Post to highlight how these two individuals are tricking our people.

FACTS:
1. They pose as if they are negotiating a settlement when they are clearly avoiding it at TAX payers expense.

2. They have both blamed either side for its failure after holding SECRETIVE so-called “cautiously optimistic” negotiations for a few years now (2014 and on).

3. Apparently the latest round failed because of the Greek Cypriots not accepting Turkish Guarantees, and the Turkish Cypriots wanting them - did they NOT know those positions prior to their many meetings - LIARS!

4. The TRNC is obviously CONTROLLED by Turkey as one of its Provinces, otherwise you wouldn't be able to Land a plane on that side or build international Hotels sponsored by Turkey, while the Greek Cypriot side apparently watches and accepts these practices - LIARS again!

5. Tax payers money on both sides have been PAYING for these fruitless negotiations for years (40 + years) with absolutely NO resolution in sight.

6. Our leaders happily and falsely, and coincidentally, hold these fruitless negotiations in a timely manner after their elections and until the next set of national elections to only end in failure and restart again talking about exactly the same parameters until their next respective elections - LIARS!

7. In the meantime, Britain still maintains Two so called sovereign bases even though the original Cyprus constitution is on hold until a Comprehensive settlement!

8. The EU accepted Cyprus under it umbrella to help aide a solution, but in reality it has further distanced the two sides from one another by creating a thick political divide - and especially now that the UK is soon to leave too!

9. The Greek Cypriot lead ROC has now apparently overcome its so called financial collapse after stealing millions of Euros from its citizen's accounts.

10. The Turkish Cypriot side's economy is completely none-existent and financed by Turkey only.

11. Both peoples of Cyprus are unable to settle on either side as they are locked under political negotiations aiming to form a Never federal solution.

12. As it's been over 40 (FORTY) long years of pointless negotiations, who are these politicians kidding when they say that they are aiming for a bi-com, bi-zonal settlement when they kill the talks based on only one reason for failure - Guarantees!

13. Where is the EU and UN in all these negotiations?

14. Turkey has assimilated Northern Cyprus completely into its political establishment to the extent that it [the TRNC] operates better than any one of its other Turkish provinces!

15. The Turkish Cypriots complain about a lack of "Recognition" when they fluently operate under Turkey with all of the benefits as any other citizen of Turkey and more!

16. If everything apart from the subject of Guarantees is left to agree to, why hasn't a federal agreement been signed where Turkey's guarantees can be taken up by the UN Council at an upper level with the EU and Permanent members of the UN at a later date?

17. Why is it that both the leaders of Turkey and Greece were able to meet and shake hands recently agreeing to the extension of the “Ceyhan” Pipeline project. If these two leaders are so at odds together about an important "National" issue such Cyprus, why are they agreeing to business deals in other areas? You don't see North Korea and South Korea agreeing in areas of Tourism and etc - what's going on?

18. How in the hell can BOTH sides agree on the Opening of the CEASE FIRE LINE and make loads of money from our happy shoppers, and not agree on parameters that may never come to reality (like guarantees and other redlines?)

19. If the TRNC is an "Occupied Zone" and the "South" is not recognised by Turkey, why and how can our administrations allow our people freely cross over?

Our leaders are a load of Liars, and although I can go on forever listing many other discrepancies in their failed so called hard-line policies from how they agree in the areas of Tourism, Education and even Finance, it's evident that the Cyprus issue to our so called Politicians protecting our interests are in total agreement with each other as if they weren't, I'm sure we would have seen a crisis by now.
Let's face the facts that an agreement will never be secured, while the Status quo, especially not with Turkey no longer wishing for EU entry (but has a fully working Customs Union with the EU - agreed by Cyprus!) will remain forever.

This is where I leave this forum once and for all for my Great Grandchildren one day to re-engage and reiterate what I have said above in 20 years time! And also because my health is not at its best anymore – I am getting old!

Do yourselves a favour and close this forum, switch off, do something more worth while as our Political leaders are a bunch of time-wasting Liars!

Have a nice life everyone. I am not saying that as a Turkish Cypriot, but as a human being advising you all to live your lives without the disease of this FALSE Cyprus problem controlling your everyday lives.

God bless you all.

Can’t say I agree with all of it but good post MrH

[MrH]

Hi DT,

Thanks. My Association constantly communicates with the higher establishment of the TRNC where, until it ever should become recognised, is definitely and currently operating as a province of Turkey, “Mersin 10” is even used as its official internationally accepted postal address. The GCs May be oblivious to all this, but Northern Cyprus is now part of Turkey and will not change. In fact, it’s assimilating even closer now after all of the many failed UN plans and the major business, energy and tourism projects Turkey has invested there. If a Confederal agreement of two founding states is not accepted by the GCs, and that’s never now going to happen, the Turkish Cypriot State will soon be fully administered and merged with Turkey. I have even interviewed Erdoğan many times now and can assure you that the GCs are cornered on this subject, particularly after joining the EU in 2004. You must have noticed how happy Erdoğan was when they rejected the Annan Plan. That was the last straw. The difference today is that after the Crans Montana affair, Turkey’s reasoning for integration of the TRNC to Turkey has actually been implemented.

Best wishes.

[MrH]

Here’s further proof of Northern Cyprus being administered by Turkey as one of its Provinces:

http://famagusta-gazette.com/turkey-det ... 195-69.htm

What Turkey says Goes!

[Kikapu]

MrH, I agree with most on the above you have written, but I also believe, nothing lasts forever and that there will be changes to today's situation in the north regarding Turkey's control of it.

More importantly, wish you luck with your health. Take care.

[kurupetos]

I think MrH will end up joining us at ELAM.

[repulsewarrior]

...who says he is not a member already? "Greeks", "Turks", they are the same to me; 1974 comes to mind.

[kurupetos]

...who says he is not a member already? "Greeks", "Turks", they are the same to me; 1974 comes to mind.

[Sotos]

Your "trnc" was never an independent state. It has always been territory fully controlled by Turkey and this is something all GCs know. That said, Turkey is not forcing this on TCs. TCs are voluntarily siding with Turkey because they stupidly believe that they can use the power of Turkey to gain a separate state for themselves. Eventually the TCs will be assimilated by the Turkish Settlers who will become the majority, and as you know RoC does not give RoC IDs to children of mixed TC-Turk marriages so sooner than later there will be no TCs left, none of them will be eligible for RoC/EU passport, while at the same time Turkey will become more and more Islamic.