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[repulsewarrior]

...i remember. Cyprus is temporary, the Flag of Cyprus is a rag. To some this is true; "Greek", or "Turk".

[Sotos]

Greek nationalism: Belief in dichotomy forming a “Greek” part and “Turkish” part.

That is the most stupid think you ever wrote. Nationalism of any kind is bad and can lead to bad things, but no kind of nationalist, "Greek" or "Cypriot", wants Cyprus to be split in “Greek” and “Turkish” parts. Any Greek Cypriot that accepts such thing accepts it as a compromise (apart maybe from a few traitors). The only nationalist party in Cyprus is ELAM, and they are definitely "Greek nationalists" and they are the ones who openly support a unitary Cypriot state as a solution. So your argument doesn't hold at all.

The Greek government’s collusion in the 1974 dichotomy of Cyprus is a well known fact Sotos, and the Cypriot traitors who were Greek nationalists and executed the dichotomy plan with the removal of Makarios, knew exactly what they were doing... as Sampson later verified.

In fact the Greek government was upset when Turkey went PAST the pre-agreed demarcation line! No honor among criminals!

Why else would EOKA B carry out a coup to remove the Cypriot democratically elected president of an independent UN-member Cyprus, if not to facilitate dichotomy and destroy this independence?

First of all the Greek government of that time took the power with a coup and did not represent the people of Greece just like Samson did not represent us. They were of course traitors for overthrowing democratically elected governments, but beyond that you are giving them way too much credit when you say that they "knew exactly what they were doing". The Junta fell just 4 days after the Turkish invasion in Cyprus, so clearly they didn't have a clue what they were doing unless maybe it was their plan to spend the rest of their lives in jail.

[kurupetos]

Greek nationalism: Belief in dichotomy forming a “Greek” part and “Turkish” part.

That is the most stupid think you ever wrote. Nationalism of any kind is bad and can lead to bad things, but no kind of nationalist, "Greek" or "Cypriot", wants Cyprus to be split in “Greek” and “Turkish” parts. Any Greek Cypriot that accepts such thing accepts it as a compromise (apart maybe from a few traitors). The only nationalist party in Cyprus is ELAM, and they are definitely "Greek nationalists" and they are the ones who openly support a unitary Cypriot state as a solution. So your argument doesn't hold at all.

I agree.

So how do you go about implementing enosis with Greece Kurupet, without the dissolution of the republic?

Surely you didn’t assume you can accommodate them both?

That's how it will happen...
1. Dissolution of RoT.
2. The Republic of Kurdistan becomes an independent state.
3. The last Turk leaves Cyprus.
4. North Cyprus, East Thrace, Ionia & Pontus are liberated.
5. Enosis of all Greek territories. Our new capital? Constantinople.

Ο ΚΑΙΡΟΣ ΓΑΡ ΕΓΓΥΣ

[kurupetos]

...i remember. Cyprus is temporary, the Flag of Cyprus is a rag. To some this is true; "Greek", or "Turk".

No, Cyprus is not temporary...but the RoC is definitely something we don't need to keep forever.

The vast majority of Cypriots has expressed a desire for Enosis in 1821, 1878, 1930, 1950 and 1955-1959.

[repulsewarrior]

...i remember. Cyprus is temporary, the Flag of Cyprus is a rag. To some this is true; "Greek", or "Turk".

No, Cyprus is not temporary...but the RoC is definitely something we don't need to keep forever.

The vast majority of Cypriots has expressed a desire for Enosis in 1821, 1878, 1930, 1950 and 1955-1959.

...you have it the other way around. Cyprus is not temporary, "Greece" is. Greeks don't need "Greeks", they are Citizens of the world (and this in Cyprus as Cypriots represented, despite "Greeks"/"Turks" and as they represent(ed) themselves').

What is Cyprus is Cyprus, it is an island after all. What is a "motherland" or a "fatherland" is unclear, what are the facts today is that Greece like Cyprus, and Turkey, are equals among many.

One day the city's name may return, what is East to Rome; a dream to "Greeks", what is Greek in Turkey returned, who just like "Turks", have the same sense of "belonging".

"Greeks" and "Turks" are the same. "They" are not the same as Cypriots (or Greeks, or Turks). Greek and Turkish mostly, yes, to describe them, Cypriots as people, but, who in effect, as a People, with roots much older.

Greeks as a Nation have in effect two States to look to as representing Greeks in the Modern world. Indeed the modern world should be looked at by Greeks with a great deal of humility, what with its "Greekness".

[kurupetos]

...i remember. Cyprus is temporary, the Flag of Cyprus is a rag. To some this is true; "Greek", or "Turk".

No, Cyprus is not temporary...but the RoC is definitely something we don't need to keep forever.

The vast majority of Cypriots has expressed a desire for Enosis in 1821, 1878, 1930, 1950 and 1955-1959.

...you have it the other way around. Cyprus is not temporary, "Greece" is. Greeks don't need "Greeks", they are Citizens of the world (and this in Cyprus as Cypriots represented, despite "Greeks"/"Turks" and as they represent(ed) themselves').

What is Cyprus is Cyprus, it is an island after all. What is a "motherland" or a "fatherland" is unclear, what are the facts today is that Greece like Cyprus, and Turkey, are equals among many.

One day the city's name may return, what is East to Rome; a dream to "Greeks", what is Greek in Turkey returned, who just like "Turks", have the same sense of "belonging".

"Greeks" and "Turks" are the same. "They" are not the same as Cypriots (or Greeks, or Turks). Greek and Turkish mostly, yes, to describe them, Cypriots as people, but, who in effect, as a People, with roots much older.

Greeks as a Nation have in effect two States to look to as representing Greeks in the Modern world. Indeed the modern world should be looked at by Greeks with a great deal of humility, what with its "Greekness".

It took you some time to respond, RW.

...and you're still wrong... RoC not Cyprus, etc.