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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:47 pm

Maximus wrote:I dont agree with the way you are interpreting the data,

More people may be incarcerated but the overall crime and homicide rate has been coming down. :roll:


If you have to spend ten times more and lock up 10 times more people just to get a 5% reduction then that is not what I consider 'working'.

Maximus wrote:Dont you want less crime or just less people being caught and punished for crime? :roll:


I want practical value for money solutions free from political dogma and free from 400 year history that sought by economic and political need to disproportionately criminalise people based on skin colour and not on individual behaviour. I want better results. Better outcomes for my money. I demand better. As are vast numbers of ordinary people across racial and social groups throughout the US. What I do not want is a culture war or a race war.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:48 pm

:roll: Dont be a plonker Erolz.

Those impoverished ghetonians can carry powder instead of rock like the other folks. :roll:

incentive parents staying together. ----> This is the biggest indicator of whether someone will go off the straight and narrow and in to crime. Its prevention, not cure. :roll:

Dont be a plonker, slavery was bad and obviously, that is not loving your neighbor but this just reinforces my point that this is part of the solution. :roll:
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:13 pm

Maximus wrote::roll: Dont be a plonker Erolz.

Those impoverished ghetonians can carry powder instead of rock like the other folks. :roll:


You are just wrong here because you do not understand the economics of it. There is a reason why before the rock form of cocaine was developed it was overwhelmingly used by rich white drug takers and not poor black ones. The rock form made it economically available to a whole new poor black customer base. When that happened is when the 'war on drugs' was started, which was a war on drug use by poor black and hispanic users and not on rich white users of the powered form. It was just a continuation of the disproportionate criminalisation of non white US citizens that started with the 13rd amendment that abolish slavery unless the person committed a crime and went through to the Jim Crow laws to where we are today.

Maximus wrote:incentive parents staying together. ----> This is the biggest indicator of whether someone will go off the straight and narrow and in to crime. Its prevention, not cure. :roll:


So you abolish slavery but allow it if you can make someone a criminal. So massive incentive to put black people in jail for any excuse and trumped up reason, to be able to keep your plantation running. What happens then to family when you do that, black families ? How many single parent and no parent black have you created. Then when that finally becomes impossible to do in plain sight any ore you introduce laws that allow you to lock up black people that use a tolitel that is only for whites, or sit on a bus seat only for whites and and and. How does that affect black families. So then you finally end legal separation based on colour. You think at that point the hundreds of years of legacy of broken families just disappears over night do you ? That overnight there is equality of opportunity, when you have to be escorted by troops to college as crowds shout and jeer and spit on you ? When that starts to no longer become openly doable you then launch your 'war on drugs' that allows you to lock up vast numbers of black people for the same crime that white people do not get locked up for. How does that help black families ? This is the legacy and reality that has led to there being more single and no parent black families than white. The idea that this is the case is because black people are somehow inherently or genetically less predisposed to raising their kinds in two parent families than white people IS the 400 year old narrative that has created this problem. You will not and can not solve it by repeating that narrative in a different form today. The narrative IS the problem. In this sense YOU are the problem when you just keep repeating it.

Maximus wrote:Dont be a plonker, slavery was bad and obviously, that is not loving your neighbor but this just reinforces my point that this is part of the solution. :roll:


Slavery was underpinned by a notion that black people are lesser than white. Segregation was underpinned by a notion that black people are lesser than white. The idea that there are today more single and no parent black families than white is because black people are lesser than white people in this regard is just the latest continuation of the 400 + year old problem. imo.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:18 pm

More whinging Erolz?

I read post after post of whinging.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:12 pm

A Japanese reporter decided to go to CHAZ to prove that the occupation of six blocks of the city of Seattle is peaceful.

The Choptonians severely beaten him up within 15 minutes and he leaves with a black eye,

Just another myopic individual who expects to be taken seriously.

https://www.rt.com/usa/492663-japanese- ... black-eye/
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:28 pm

...so what you guys are saying is that the issue of Blacks and Whites in America, is best described by "them", as in "Blacks" and "Whites" (those who feel entitled to something).

If it is a generalisation you seek about such persons, then i suggest, the "Blacks" and "Whites" in America are the same, as are the "Greeks" and "Turks" of Cyprus. Similarly, Blacks and Whites, like Greeks and Turks, are also the same.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:42 pm

Maximus wrote:More whinging Erolz?

I read post after post of whinging.


Why not just say it then Max ? There has to be a reason why Black people make up 40% plus of prison population in the US when they make up only a fraction of that % in the population generally. Is that a function of a 400+ year history of white people labelling and seeing and treating them as lesser because of their skin colour ? Or is it because they ARE less civilised and more criminal because of their skin colour ? If you believe the later then why not just say that is what you believe openly and honestly ?
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:04 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Maximus wrote:More whinging Erolz?

I read post after post of whinging.


Why not just say it then Max ? There has to be a reason why Black people make up 40% plus of prison population in the US when they make up only a fraction of that % in the population generally. Is that a function of a 400+ year history of white people labelling and seeing and treating them as lesser because of their skin colour ? Or is it because they ARE less civilised and more criminal because of their skin colour ? If you believe the later then why not just say that is what you believe openly and honestly ?


I am not trying to hide anything,

I do think they are over represented in crime because they are committing a lot of the crime.

Look at South Africa for example, the murder and rape rate is like 5x more there than it is in the US.

Asia has the lowest crime rates globally.

Look here, African nations dominate the league table of intentional homicides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... icide_rate

Is it the white mans fault? :roll:
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:17 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...so what you guys are saying is that the issue of Blacks and Whites in America, is best described by "them", as in "Blacks" and "Whites" (those who feel entitled to something).

If it is a generalisation you seek about such persons, then i suggest, the "Blacks" and "Whites" in America are the same, as are the "Greeks" and "Turks" of Cyprus. Similarly, Blacks and Whites, like Greeks and Turks, are also the same.


Here is the thing RW,

Greek Cypriots lived under the ottomans and the British empire as 2nd class citizens for longer than the blacks were slaves in America. Part of their country is still occupied to this day.

But the Greek Cypriots are not running around killing each other nor does Cyprus have a high crime rate.

Erolz wants us to believe that slavery and the white man is responsible for the high crime rate among the black community in the US.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:05 pm

...what were people silenced, are silent no more. The "them" i talk about have everything to fear; they like "things" just the way they are.

Only fifty (sixty) years ago, America like Cyprus was torn apart by hatred, racially motivated; that is when it "ended".

Living in Cyprus the way it is certainly brings Cypriots to the forefront, against such discrimination. Americans, like Cypriot have, in elections, to choose, soon. "America" or America; Cyprus or, no Cyprus.

...such is the People, torn as they are today.
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