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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:21 pm

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Those people here claiming to support law and order are you watching the same videos that the rest of us are ? How much police time and people and resource is tied up and wasted in this video above that is about police getting upset when someone they do not like the look off simply asserts their rights ? Is this is what those of you supposedly supporting law and order want your money to spent on and doing ? Is there no serious and real crime going on that such time and resource can be wasted like this ? Routinely. Systematically. Why do you blame the citizen in videos like this that is operating entirely within the law and their granted rights and not the police that are making requests and demands entirely outside of it ? Why is it the citizens fault for not just 'co operating' with the police when the co operation they want and expect and get stroppy about when refused in not within what the law says ?

If those who 'support law and order' want a system of policing where by the Police should be allowed to regularly and systematically try and circumvent and bypass or ignore the rights of citizens they do not like the look off then please just have the decency to say this up front and honestly and then lobby to have the law changed.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:46 pm

Maximus wrote:The black on black homicide rate in the US is twice as much as the white on black homicide rate.

A black man is much, much more likely to be killed by another black man than he is by the police.

The stats are consistent in the UK.

Those parties that accuse trump of destroying America are the ones literally destroying America.

Ill just leave this here for you to think about.


Max, it would help if you told us how we got here.

What are the root causes for the results of your above statement?

Let me help you out a little to get you started.

How about combination of 500 years of slavery, racism, prejudices, discrimination, lack of work opportunity, housing projects, poor schooling, denied justices.......!
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:03 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:The black on black homicide rate in the US is twice as much as the white on black homicide rate.

A black man is much, much more likely to be killed by another black man than he is by the police.

The stats are consistent in the UK.

Those parties that accuse trump of destroying America are the ones literally destroying America.

Ill just leave this here for you to think about.


Max, it would help if you told us how we got here.

What are the root causes for the results of your above statement?

Let me help you out a little to get you started.

How about combination of 500 years of slavery, racism, prejudices, discrimination, lack of work opportunity, housing projects, poor schooling, denied justices.......!


I think a better question would be, where is all this going? Because police brutality is not the problem in the grand scheme of things.

So you are trying to tell me, slavery (and the rest of it) which was abolished hundreds of years ago and police brutality are responsible for the black on black homicide rate being double what the white on black homicide rate is today?

A black person is much, much more likely to be killed by another black person than he is by the police.

America's problems are just starting, and they wont end with police reform or defunding them.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:17 pm

Maximus wrote:A black person is much, much more likely to be killed by another black person than he is by the police.


A white person is much, much more likely to be killed by another white person than he is by the police. Do you disagree ?
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:30 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Maximus wrote:A black person is much, much more likely to be killed by another black person than he is by the police.


A white person is much, much more likely to be killed by another white person than he is by the police. Do you disagree ?


Yes, I agree.

A black person is also fifteen times more likely to be murdered and seven times more likely to murder someone.

Therefor, police brutality cant really be the problem plaguing America today.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby MR-from-NG » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:34 pm

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MR-from-NG wrote:
erolz66 wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:@Kikapu. I agree with every single word you've posted on this subject. Bags and bags of respect my friend.


Thanks for nothing :lol:

Erol, how rude of me. Having looked at all the posts carefully you get tons and tons of respect too.

GR, how lovely to have you back. The forum is not the same without you. In fact this Pahpitis dude is ruining it and if anybody can put him in his place it is you. Take care my friend.

MR, welcome back. It is always good to have another point of view. :wink:
Hope you stick around for awhile. :D

Thanks Kiks. I will drop in now and again, annoy certain members if I can :lol: :lol: :lol:

You and Erol are doing a grand job, keep it up guys.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby MR-from-NG » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:37 pm

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MR-from-NG wrote:BBC interviewed Spike Lee at the very beginning of the George Floyd protests. He described the USA beautifully. I'm sure it can be seen on BBC iplayer. I'm useless with computers otherwise I would've found it and put a link for you all to see. definitely worth watching. Welcome back GR


I think this is probably it ?


Not this one Erol. From what I remember it looks like the same setting and what he said may have been before or after the clip you posted. He basically explains how the native Indians were killed and the importation of thousands of African slaves etc etc. It would be good if you could find it, I liked what he said and the way he said it. Worth a watch. Keep posting Erol, you are doing a great job.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:44 pm

black slaves were sold to white people by black people.

The democrats opposed the abolition of slavery, the republicans wanted to free them from bondage.

Now, most black people vote democrat and only blame white conservatives for being racists.

Oh,,,,, the irony and hypocrisy of it all. :roll:
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:00 pm

And now, these so called anti-facists are running around trying to removing images of black people from product packaging and bringing down statues of historical figures like ISIS did in Syria.

If you just saw it in pictures or actions without any back story or explanation what would you think?

Even co-co pops iis under scrutiny and isnt safe from these radical modern day book burners.. :roll:

https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/16/ex-labou ... -12858168/
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:35 pm

Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Maximus wrote:The black on black homicide rate in the US is twice as much as the white on black homicide rate.

A black man is much, much more likely to be killed by another black man than he is by the police.

The stats are consistent in the UK.

Those parties that accuse trump of destroying America are the ones literally destroying America.

Ill just leave this here for you to think about.


Max, it would help if you told us how we got here.

What are the root causes for the results of your above statement?

Let me help you out a little to get you started.

How about combination of 500 years of slavery, racism, prejudices, discrimination, lack of work opportunity, housing projects, poor schooling, denied justices.......!


I think a better question would be, where is all this going? Because police brutality is not the problem in the grand scheme of things.

So you are trying to tell me, slavery (and the rest of it) which was abolished hundreds of years ago and police brutality are responsible for the black on black homicide rate being double what the white on black homicide rate is today?

A black person is much, much more likely to be killed by another black person than he is by the police.

America's problems are just starting, and they wont end with police reform or defunding them.

Max, you may have your own questions and we can get to them later, but for know, please explain to us how we have gotten to where we are today for all the problems you have raised in your above statement.

In order to move forward, we need to understand the past, which sounds as if you are not interested.

All this shit did not just happen overnight.

So, I will await for your response as to the causes of the problems you have stated, mainly about the black people and their place in today's society.
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