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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Get Real! » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:27 pm

So when are you moving to the mother of shitholes, Paphitis? :lol:

Isn’t the coast clear yet; all sorts of covid-restrictions have been lifted the world around, so enough talk and get cracking! :?

I have the right to my entertainment Paphitis, so get your clueless arse over to the US... like NOW! :evil:
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:45 pm

Get Real! wrote:So when are you moving to the mother of shitholes, Paphitis? :lol:

Isn’t the coast clear yet; all sorts of covid-restrictions have been lifted the world around, so enough talk and get cracking! :?

I have the right to my entertainment Paphitis, so get your clueless arse over to the US... like NOW! :evil:


Hopefully by Christmas Get Real! according to my contacts.

I'm bidding for LA, Denver, Washington, Chicago and New York is last. :lol:

Probably end up in Newark though but will live in Queens somewhere and commute to Jersey for my 4 day cycles.

New York is the Centre of the Universe Get Real. :wink:

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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:09 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:You have the right to remain silent and that is a sign, in the moment, of non co-operation but it doesn't automatically prove guilt for anything.

If they suspect you of doing something, or committing a crime they can still question you in the presence of a lawyer.

So that is not some kind of get out clause for everything.


Absolutely! they are allowed to arrest and question you on suspicion of an offence.

They can remain silent. What this guy did was resist arrest, and also assaulted a police officer. he got tazed.

I see nothing wrong with any of that.

The only thing I see wrong in that video is that the assaulted police officer mocked him and used foul language. Clearly he was angry but that was still unnecessary and uncalled for as well as unprofessional.


You guys still don’t get it. :D

Brooks did not commit any crime at the time the police came to his car.

Sleeping in his car on private property is not a crime.

Had Brooks kept his mouth shut and didn’t talk to the cops, there was nothing the cops could have done other than lie through their teeth that they could arrest him. Brooks didn’t even have to give his ID as it was not a traffic related contact. There was no crime committed.

Now, the police could have unlawfully arrested him for some bullshit reason, and Brooks would have not only sued the city for unlawful arrest but also the unlawful arresting officer personally as his qualified immunity no longer applied when the officer makes an illegal act.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Jun 18, 2020 5:22 pm

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/1 ... ica-327713

...still on topic, this is Trump's "America", too.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:59 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:You have the right to remain silent and that is a sign, in the moment, of non co-operation but it doesn't automatically prove guilt for anything.

If they suspect you of doing something, or committing a crime they can still question you in the presence of a lawyer.

So that is not some kind of get out clause for everything.


Absolutely! they are allowed to arrest and question you on suspicion of an offence.

They can remain silent. What this guy did was resist arrest, and also assaulted a police officer. he got tazed.

I see nothing wrong with any of that.

The only thing I see wrong in that video is that the assaulted police officer mocked him and used foul language. Clearly he was angry but that was still unnecessary and uncalled for as well as unprofessional.


You guys still don’t get it. :D

Brooks did not commit any crime at the time the police came to his car.

Sleeping in his car on private property is not a crime.

Had Brooks kept his mouth shut and didn’t talk to the cops, there was nothing the cops could have done other than lie through their teeth that they could arrest him. Brooks didn’t even have to give his ID as it was not a traffic related contact. There was no crime committed.

Now, the police could have unlawfully arrested him for some bullshit reason, and Brooks would have not only sued the city for unlawful arrest but also the unlawful arresting officer personally as his qualified immunity no longer applied when the officer makes an illegal act.


We get it Kiks,

The police get it too and I hear that many more of them walked out of the job today.

I hope you realize though that this is just a "clever" play to try to absolve someone that was at fault every step of the way.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:13 pm

Maximus wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:You have the right to remain silent and that is a sign, in the moment, of non co-operation but it doesn't automatically prove guilt for anything.

If they suspect you of doing something, or committing a crime they can still question you in the presence of a lawyer.

So that is not some kind of get out clause for everything.


Absolutely! they are allowed to arrest and question you on suspicion of an offence.

They can remain silent. What this guy did was resist arrest, and also assaulted a police officer. he got tazed.

I see nothing wrong with any of that.

The only thing I see wrong in that video is that the assaulted police officer mocked him and used foul language. Clearly he was angry but that was still unnecessary and uncalled for as well as unprofessional.


You guys still don’t get it. :D

Brooks did not commit any crime at the time the police came to his car.

Sleeping in his car on private property is not a crime.

Had Brooks kept his mouth shut and didn’t talk to the cops, there was nothing the cops could have done other than lie through their teeth that they could arrest him. Brooks didn’t even have to give his ID as it was not a traffic related contact. There was no crime committed.

Now, the police could have unlawfully arrested him for some bullshit reason, and Brooks would have not only sued the city for unlawful arrest but also the unlawful arresting officer personally as his qualified immunity no longer applied when the officer makes an illegal act.


We get it Kiks,

The police get it too and I hear that many more of them walked out of the job today.

I hope you realize though that this is just a "clever" play to try to absolve someone that was at fault every step of the way.

Max, it is time to clean the swamp of all these bad cops. If those who resigned think it is ok to murder suspects by shooting them in the back, then good riddance to bad rubbish. More place opens up for good cops.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:20 pm

I think you are slightly mistaken,

There are many good cops that are thinking fuck this and many potentials thinking fuck that.

"My job is tough enough as it is. I put my life at risk going to work every day and night to keep people safe and uphold the law and now I am being demonized. On top of that I might be used as a sacrificial lambs in the course of defending myself by corrupt politicians kowtowing to rioters and black lives matter."
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:31 pm

Vacancies: Police officers Wanted.

Requirements,

You must be good
You must be willing to wash the feet of black lives matter.

Apply within.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jun 18, 2020 11:46 pm

Maximus wrote:Vacancies: Police officers Wanted.

Requirements,

You must be good
You must be willing to wash the feet of black lives matter.

Apply within.


Every job has it’s benefits and drawbacks. No one is forcing anyone to remain in their jobs. Law enforcement means enforcing the law. How does murdering suspects is enforcing the law? Cops have been given a large latitude in applying the law, even on questionably shootings where the benefit of doubt was always given to the cops and not made them to be accountable for their actions, but that was not enough and rather than being grateful, they have become more arrogant, more aggressive, more brutal, more cuntish.

Over the years the negative actions by the cops created disdain with the people which created a major disconnect, not only because of bad cops doing bad things, but good cops not turning them in, but instead turning a blind eye. It is no longer just few apples , but few bad orchards. Only the police can clean their own house along with their unions if they want the respect from the people who employ them and pay their salaries and benefits. They work for us and not for themselves and quite frankly, your above two posts shows contempt to us, the people whom the police officers work for. I hope I am misreading your post as to what it says between the lines.

I always believed that young new cops have good intentions in serving the people and do their job with honour and pride, but soon after they join, they become corrupted by their commanders and fellow officers, so the rot keeps expanding as it serves them well, so why change it. If it ain’t broken, don’t break it, so goes on the same old same old. Sorry my friend Max, but, if the cops do don’t start making changes from within and drain the swap of bad cops, hate for ALL cops will only get worse by the people.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:28 am

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:You have the right to remain silent and that is a sign, in the moment, of non co-operation but it doesn't automatically prove guilt for anything.

If they suspect you of doing something, or committing a crime they can still question you in the presence of a lawyer.

So that is not some kind of get out clause for everything.


Absolutely! they are allowed to arrest and question you on suspicion of an offence.

They can remain silent. What this guy did was resist arrest, and also assaulted a police officer. he got tazed.

I see nothing wrong with any of that.

The only thing I see wrong in that video is that the assaulted police officer mocked him and used foul language. Clearly he was angry but that was still unnecessary and uncalled for as well as unprofessional.


You guys still don’t get it. :D

Brooks did not commit any crime at the time the police came to his car.

Sleeping in his car on private property is not a crime.

Had Brooks kept his mouth shut and didn’t talk to the cops, there was nothing the cops could have done other than lie through their teeth that they could arrest him. Brooks didn’t even have to give his ID as it was not a traffic related contact. There was no crime committed.

Now, the police could have unlawfully arrested him for some bullshit reason, and Brooks would have not only sued the city for unlawful arrest but also the unlawful arresting officer personally as his qualified immunity no longer applied when the officer makes an illegal act.


I beg to differ he didn't commit any crime.

he didn't keep his mouth shut and incriminated himself too. That's what the police rely on.

But they have other avenues too, like cameras and CCTV.

Certainly reasonable suspicion to have him arrested. Would have happened in any country too.

And if he played ball, all that would have happened is that he would be arrested, police will conduct an investigation, then charge him resulting in his day in court and a small fine. If he didn't do anything, then he wouldn't be charged and would be released with no further action however that possibility is unlikely imo.
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