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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:07 am

Londonrake wrote:At least I get your juices flowing.


Do not go off with any feelings of exceptionalism on this score. For a dialectic seeker like me anything and anyone can do that. That is the beauty and power of such a process. Anything and everything is a potential school day for seekers.

Londonrake wrote:I see the smiley habit is catching on. :wink:


Or you may just be conflating ironic response in kind for active enthusiastic support ;)
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Londonrake » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:23 am

erolz66 wrote:Do not go off with any feelings of exceptionalism on this score. For a dialectic seeker like me anything and anyone can do that. That is the beauty and power of such a process. Anything and everything is a potential school day for seekers.

Or you may just be conflating ironic response in kind for active enthusiastic support ;)


The first a very Erolz-ish statement. You have to read it a couple of times and think about it (if you can spare the time).

On the second - have no concerns.

Come on though, wouldn't you rather be back lecturing about Lafayette Park? Kicks will be watching the cunt police escaping scrutiny and "lying piece of shit" Paphitis is being allowed to regroup.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:39 am

Trump is holding a rally in Tulsa, oklahoma.

A whopping 800,000 people have signed up to attend. I dont think the arena can hold such a capacity though.

The leftist media are falling over themselves to promote how much of a bad idea it is due to corona virus. Only a week after lauding the masses that were protesting george floyds death and the vandalism that followed.

They are corrupted, morally bankrupt and are part of the divisive problems plaguing America today. Probably in every country to be fair.

I predict a victory for republicans come the next election.

Dems dont seem credible enough to govern a country and their policies are are out of touch with reality.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:17 pm

Maximus wrote:Trump is holding a rally in Tulsa, oklahoma.

A whopping 800,000 people have signed up to attend. I dont think the arena can hold such a capacity though.

The leftist media are falling over themselves to promote how much of a bad idea it is due to corona virus. Only a week after lauding the masses that were protesting george floyds death and the vandalism that followed.

They are corrupted, morally bankrupt and are part of the divisive problems plaguing America today. Probably in every country to be fair.

I predict a victory for republicans come the next election.

Dems dont seem credible enough to govern a country and their policies are are out of touch with reality.


I have had the privilege of making a couple of new friends in the US as of late. A person living in Saint Louis and another in Denver. Both Trump supporters.

According to them, Trump's election win is going to be a far bigger victory than that against Shillery.

One must ask the question - why?

well Antifa has been a Godsend for the Trump campaign. The other Godsend, is Byeden!
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:20 pm

Maximus wrote:I think it is quite reasonable for police officers to be resigning. Considering the lawmakers of those cities want to defund them anyway and that its a pretty risky, life threatening job at the moment without any gratitude from the community.


The police like all social functions have been on a defunding curve since the 2008 global financial and this is part of the wider problem I think. I do not think the "defund the police" movement is about seeking an end point where there are no police at all. I think it is seeking to look at how what funds there are are used to get the best and most efficient outcomes possible. Something needs to change. Like the point RW raised re mental health. If the reality is that significant portions of police time and resource are being used in effect to try and mitigate for the lack of actual support and services for those with mental health issues then we should look at this I think. Spending less on police per se and using that money on mental health services might actually allow the police to server and protect against criminality better with less funds and whilst also reducing flash points that can lead only to bad places to boot.

If police officers like Chauvin and their ilk end up resigning then that is a result as far as I am concerned.

Maximus wrote:Also, taking in to account the scale of looting and vandalism that has been going on. It is not beyond any stretch of even the wildest imagination that truckers wouldn't want to risk their lives making deliveries to such places.


I am not yet convinced that the scale and duration and looting being seen is sufficient to lead to this. It did not happen with Rodney King riots previously for example. This is hard to judge given that media will always skew coverage to the sensationalist even before political agenda kicks in. So I am not saying this is impossible but I would need to see some evidence that there are material negative outcomes from truck drivers refusing to serve certain areas other than your youtube guy or just fox news speculating about it.

Maximus wrote:Dude, if I was living in such a place, if my business got razed to the ground, I would be looking for the exit too. Not sticking around and banking on some police free utopia with the radical morons that did it.

This isn't rocket science mate. :lol:


I do not disagree with you here I just remain to be convinced that any such places yet exists in the US, even in the "CHAZ" or that there are any serious politicians anywhere seeking to achieve such. I think there are news outlets that have a vested interest in creating an impression that such politicians exists but I am not yet convinced myself.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:21 pm

This is an insight into the organisation that is Antifa (funded by George Soros).

This from a former Antifa member and gives a great insight into this organisation.

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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Londonrake » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:25 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:Trump is holding a rally in Tulsa, oklahoma.

A whopping 800,000 people have signed up to attend. I dont think the arena can hold such a capacity though.

The leftist media are falling over themselves to promote how much of a bad idea it is due to corona virus. Only a week after lauding the masses that were protesting george floyds death and the vandalism that followed.

They are corrupted, morally bankrupt and are part of the divisive problems plaguing America today. Probably in every country to be fair.

I predict a victory for republicans come the next election.

Dems dont seem credible enough to govern a country and their policies are are out of touch with reality.


I have had the privilege of making a couple of new friends in the US as of late. A person living in Saint Louis and another in Denver. Both Trump supporters.

According to them, Trump's election win is going to be a far bigger victory than that against Shillery.

One must ask the question - why?

well Antifa has been a Godsend for the Trump campaign. The other Godsend, is Byeden!


A week in politics and all that. However, whilst I won't be putting any money down, such a result wouldn't surprise me at all. There's talk of $2-3 trillion stimulus being thrown at the Coronavirus problem today. Reflected in surging stock markets.

I still think though that Trump's biggest asset will turn out to be Biden. I've a feeling Joe won't shine during the furnace run up to November.

As ever, anything could - still - happen though of course.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Paphitis » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:33 pm

Londonrake wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Maximus wrote:Trump is holding a rally in Tulsa, oklahoma.

A whopping 800,000 people have signed up to attend. I dont think the arena can hold such a capacity though.

The leftist media are falling over themselves to promote how much of a bad idea it is due to corona virus. Only a week after lauding the masses that were protesting george floyds death and the vandalism that followed.

They are corrupted, morally bankrupt and are part of the divisive problems plaguing America today. Probably in every country to be fair.

I predict a victory for republicans come the next election.

Dems dont seem credible enough to govern a country and their policies are are out of touch with reality.


I have had the privilege of making a couple of new friends in the US as of late. A person living in Saint Louis and another in Denver. Both Trump supporters.

According to them, Trump's election win is going to be a far bigger victory than that against Shillery.

One must ask the question - why?

well Antifa has been a Godsend for the Trump campaign. The other Godsend, is Byeden!


A week in politics and all that. However, whilst I won't be putting any money down, such a result wouldn't surprise me at all. There's talk of $2-3 trillion stimulus being thrown at the Coronavirus problem today. Reflected in surging stock markets.

I still think though that Trump's biggest asset will turn out to be Biden. I've a feeling Joe won't shine during the furnace run up to November.

As ever, anything could - still - happen though of course.


I'm looking forward to the debates between Trump and Byeden. trump is going to walk all over him because Byeden can't even remember what he said a few seconds beforehand.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby erolz66 » Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:59 pm

Maximus wrote:I predict a victory for republicans come the next election.


FWIW I personally think the betting odds are probably about right. Very close with a slight recent trend of slight edge for Democrat victory. I also think the chance of landslide is remote given the whole Trump strategy is based around polarization and keeping hold of enough of his solid base to secure a victory in electoral college without a need for majority in popular vote. I also think Trump has a harder task this time round in significant ways in the sense that there was a large reservoir of people of all persuasions and especially floating voters that were attracted to anyone who was not a normal politician, better the devil they did not know so to speak. Trump is no longer the Devil you do not know. His different and disruptive attractions are a known outcome now not an unknown one and that I think is likely to be net negative for him. Then there is the reality that the pandemic is not over. If people do get infected at Trump rallies that will not help him. If he gets infected despite his prophylactic use of hydroxycholorquine (now removed from FDA list of usable treatments for covid) that will not help. I also think the two recent supreme court defeats for Trump are worrying for him. Much of his evangelical right supporters know he is a godless son of a bitch but have been willing to overlook that in the expectation of positive outcomes from their perspective. If it turns out that even with Trump in place and with his packing of the supreme court with right justices he is still unable to reverse things like LGBT protections and stuff like wade row I think some of this base might start to question their support for him. Having said all that only a fool would write him off.
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Re: ...this is America.

Postby Maximus » Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:32 pm

I will be very surprised if dems win,

They are not fit for government at all. There are a lot of ex-democratic voters that have switched sides since the last election.

Trump might have an unruly tongue and some odd tweets but you have to look at his policy. he has got shit done.

He won last time because the dems were crap. He will win this time because they are even worse than before.

He wants to make America great again and those dems want to burn the flag of the USA and turn it in to an international socialist, marxist utopia for degenerates. That just about says it all.
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