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[repulsewarrior]

...while erolz may be hard to understand sometimes, i will say that he at least provides new information to the debate oftentimes. With issues such as these, it is natural to have feelings, and strong feelings too.

Let's stick to gathering facts, to be a resource to each other and to our readership; indeed a bigger challenge, than who (among "us") is "right" and who is "wrong".

...indeed, for the most part i write and wonder if my posts are even read; or if they are incomprehensible, as i have been told in the past.

[Londonrake]

...while erolz may be hard to understand sometimes, i will say that he at least provides new information to the debate oftentimes. With issues such as these, it is natural to have feelings, and strong feelings too.

Let's stick to gathering facts, to be a resource to each other and to our readership; indeed a bigger challenge, than who (among "us") is "right" and who is "wrong".

...indeed, for the most part i write and wonder if my posts are even read; or if they are understood, as i have been told in the past.

I know, I know. I said I was leaving (a bit like Frank Sinatra ). I like reading your posts RW. I don't always agree. I should say I don't always agree - when I understand what you're saying. You have a particularly cryptic style. I sometimes wonder if you're perhaps related to Dylan, of the late Magic Roundabout fame.

[repulsewarrior]

It comes from my upbringing, going to Salaminas so often, to look at the stones, and the words, how they were written and why, without spaces between the words, without spaces between sentences;

...reading between the lines, takes on a whole new meaning.

Thank-you for the compliment; yes you have to work hard to really understand the depth of the words' meaning on the page, sometimes.

[Get Real!]

...while erolz may be hard to understand sometimes,

I always understand him perfectly... it is YOU I never understand, probably because you've got marijuana smoke coming out of every orifice!

...indeed, for the most part i write and wonder if my posts are even read; or if they are incomprehensible, as i have been told in the past.

It took you a while to figure it out eh...

[Maximus]

Democrats collapse.........

Their Police officers are resigning and truckers refuse to deliver supplies to their cities.

interesting developments but it should be obvious because they are creating a hostile lawless environment that no sane rational person would want to work or live in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjp_CAAvfjI

Imagine once the stores are empty, with no police around, truckers delivering goods become the next target.....

[Kikapu]

It worries me sometimes to some of the rubbish YouTube sites some of our friends on here watch!

[erolz66]

The short version

I know who I am and why I am here on this forum. Who are you Londonrake and why are YOU here on this forum ?

I am a 'seeker'. You Londonrake (and CG and Paphitis for that matter) are mere 'spouters'. Spouters will always resent and attack seekers.

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The full version and I could not give a tiny fraction of a fuck Londonrake if you or anyone else TLDR it, or if you lie about TLDRing it, for it's truth and value to me in writing it remains and is entirely divorced from anything you do.

I can't be arsed with all the interleaving quotes.

I think I made my points and I did so more for others than to influence you - which frankly, is always a pointless exercise. You're the epitome of a closed mind.

As ever you and some others that inevitably crawl out of the woodwork seem to prefer talking about me and my flaws and failings than the subject at hand. Fine by me. You Londonrake are a 'drive by' arguer. You pro actively zoom in, shoot off your opinions and zoom off again as quick as you can in order to avoid all possible retaliation.

This is what you do - every time. Bludgeon! Bludgeon. Bludgeon! It strikes me that, although you read people's posts your predominant thought is invariably "How can I counter this" rather than attempting to understand what they're trying to say. You argue purely for the sake of it. Strutting around the forum, "sorting people out" on any subject, Ardvark to Zulu. You get off on arguing.

Yes I am here to argue. I am not here to socialise. I am not here to make friends. I am not here to be liked. I am not here to show what a fun guy I am with my humour. I have the real world and a real life for all those things. I do not need to use this place as some surrogate for these things being lacking in my real life. Nor for that matter am I here stalking a former adversary from elsewhere, something I have no need for here or in real life.

Yes I bludgeon. I do not have time to waste, despite the accusations. I hammer home my points in the same way a barrister might hammer home their's in a court room. I do so knowing that is not an effective way of influencing others because I have no interest in trying to use this place to do so. That is what argument is. I engage in dialectic - the art of investigating or discussing the truth of opinions. It is a process. It requires back and forth. Proposal of thesis, antithesis, over and over seeking synthesis at the end. It requires challenge. It requires thought. It requires effort. That all you want to do is drive by and shoot of your opinion and have it left there without any challenge is not MY problem, it is yours. That you get upset by challenge as part of a dialectic process is not my problem.

Which is why the idea that I do not attempt to understand what the other person is saying is pure and utter bollocks. For what I am engaged in that is required, necessary and fundamental. And as ever I am prepared to put the effort in to that end because almost nothing of value is achieved without effort. For you on the other hand Londonrake, with what you are engaged in, with your drive by shooting off of opinions without challenge, understanding what the other person is trying to say is entirely irrelevant. Which is why you are far far far worse than me at the very thing you so casually drive by and accuse me off before screeching away again in a puff of tire smoke until your next drive by.

So yes you are right I will, without fear or favour, do my best to rip the arse out of woolly thinking, out of contradiction, out of lies, out of misinformation, out of hypocrisy, out of false or twisted logic, out of patent nonsense and BS, out of claims that 50 million people think X backed up by nothing other than prejudice, out of claims about what 'everyone' knows and many other enemies of genuine understanding ans synthesis. If you do not like that then in the words of GR you can and should just "piss off".

Speaking of which, you have a habit of arguing at length (always! )

Yes, what I am engaged in, dialectic - the art of investigating or discussing the truth of opinions, that is necessary and required.

And In the spirit of ripping the arse of of patent nonsense and BS and hypocrisy, you feigning to have issues with 'arguing at length' here is patent nonsense and BS. The clear and obvious reality is you only have issue with it when it is from someone who dares to try and challenge your drive by opinions and engage you in an actual dialectic process. To prove the truth of this I need merely to say one word. Paphitis.

and then, when challenged, saying something along the lines of "But I haven't expressed a view. I've only presented the facts which contradict yours" that's somewhat different from saying "I don't have a view on that" which I've done here.

And again we are back to your failings. Your failure to understand that is a result of having no need or desire to understand given what you are engaged in. Saying I do not think anyone can know yet if lockdown will be net negative or positive is my view and opinion. It is not an absence of view and opinion. It is a very simple and very clear and very well justified view and opinion that I have presented over and over again. That you STILL perceive that very simple clear oft repeated position as an unwillingness to take a position at all just shows how 'drive by' your engagement here is and why you are pretty much unable to ever understand even the simplest things the other person is saying as a result.

I don't recall you ever actually admitting your view clearly on whether you thought the UK should leave the EU or not.

Your tendency to mistake your failings as some kind of objective reality are not my fault or problem. I have stated clearly how I voted in the referendum and why. Many times. That is just plain fact easily shown. That you can not recall seeing that fact and then use your failure in sight and understanding as 'proof' of something that is patently false is exactly the kind of understanding that result from your 'drive by' approach. Do not blame me for it.

It was always cloaked in obfuscating BS about "We should have a say on how we leave". It's called having the courage of your convictions. Most of the time - you simply don't.

Yet more patent nonsense that could only come from someone engaged in shooting of drive by opinions. We first 'engaged' in discussion on Brexit as a direct result of me reacting to your drive by shooting off of opinions about Brexit. This occurred after the vote had happened. My position and firm convictions at that point in time was that having democratically chosen that we should leave the EU, the next stage was to decide, democratically, how we should leave. A simple, straight forward, clear and honest opinion, held and expressed with total conviction. That all you saw in your rear view mirror as you sped away having shot off your opinion was "obfuscating BS" just again shows the paucity of what you are engaged in here.

If people didn't break social distancing rules they could protest? What's that? Some sort of barking defence? Which planet are you on?

Well if you were prepared to make any effort at all you could easily discover than not only is protest within the limits of social distancing possible in theory it has been going on around the globe. From the senior citizen couple in their 80's in Australia protesting for the first time in their long lives in their their remote rural almost entirely white town on the edge of the outback to events across the UK involving 10s and hundreds of people like the one specific one I mention in St Albans. If you had of bothered to put in even a couple of minutes of effort, the kind of effort you routinely attempt to ridicule me for putting in, you would then see how ridiculous your claim that protests sparked by the video of George Floyd being murdered by police in broad daylight and in front of witnesses were "provided[ing] illegitimate cover for the naked promotion of anarchy. That is with a modicum of effort you might have understood the point I was trying to make. But that is not what you are engaged in here is it Londonrake ?

The rest? Well, I have better things to do. I will leave the last word to you - you absolutely always have the last word of course (Bludgeon! Bludgeon! Bludgeon!)

Some things I do not do or almost never do here or on forums generally

Make claims about the other person 'having to get the last word in'. They are pointless and stupid and childish and always apply to everyone to some degree or other and almost always including the accuser.
Make claims about what 50 million people think or know, or what 'we' think or know, or what 'everyone' thinks or knows backed up by no evidence at all.
Hide behind anonymity
Lie
Excessively use lol smileys, not to denote nuance that is missed in text only communication but purely to laugh at my own words in order to portray my 'superiority' over the person I am replying too, except recently and only 'in kind' to those that do such things incessantly.
Go out of my way to tell someone publicly TLDR - I just do it, I do not broadcast that I have done it.

I will just bail out of the thread at this point - for now

Of COURSE you will, for that is what you are engaged in here. Drive by. Bye Bye.

[erolz66]

It comes from my upbringing, going to Salaminas so often, to look at the stones, and the words, how they were written and why, without spaces between the words, without spaces between sentences;

...reading between the lines, takes on a whole new meaning.

Thank-you for the compliment; yes you have to work hard to really understand the depth of the words' meaning on the page, sometimes.

There is much in the gaps as in the absence of gaps. This I have come to appreciate. To give one example, for they are countless, Music, it's essence, what it is about it that moves us physically and figuratively is as much about the gaps between different vibrations in the air as it is about the vibrations itself. As much in the spaces between notes as the notes.

There is much in the gaps, in the space in between, is a concept that has deep and fundamental universal truth in it. I think this is something you understand RW and I sincerely respect that understanding.

[erolz66]

.... it is YOU I never understand, probably because you've got marijuana smoke coming out of every orifice!

I suggest you try and not be so dismissive as you knock back your next single malt scotch or whatever your particular liquid drug of choice is these days. Whilst there may be some correlation in some cases between 'mystical talk' and the consumption of the wacky backy, which has a history of use older even than alcohol some claim, it is hardly universal. I could give countless examples of people with genius levels of ability in terms of the conveying and transmitting of ideas and concepts and information thought all sorts of mediums from spoken word to text to visual who are well know to partake in a bit of the old chronic now and then. *

( *just for CG's benefit that is what emoticons were originally designed for and are supposed to be used - to denote that something written is humorous to some degree. They were not deigned and supposed to be used an ego indulging put down of the other party )

[erolz66]

It worries me sometimes to some of the rubbish YouTube sites some of our friends on here watch!

Yeah I know what you mean. I had a reply to maximus just needed to reply to some earlier stuff first.

Seriously maximums you do know who this guy is I assume ? I am sorry but when the only source is him then to me this sounds more like 'wishful thinking' than rational analysis or prediction ?

If we are going to go down the phantasical wishful thinking route, how would you find it if this zone managed to retain over time a level of difference in how it is policed that ended up leading to an explosion of local based creative and commercial activity along with a serious reduction in petty crime and littering and vandalism and new found community pride whilst still allowing in traditional police but only for serious 'real' crime as necessary but not for petty policing of law abiding citizens where police go looking for excuses to hassle people ? Yeah I know it is pretty unlikely outcome but then so are the ideas in your video link as far as I am concerned.