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[Kikapu]

So, this fucking lawyer representing one of the rookie police officers holding down Floyd while he was murdered is saying that the rookie couldn’t stop the murder which he took part in so he cannot be blamed or held responsible, because the public who were filming and pleading with the murdering officer with his knee on Floyd’s neck also did not help to prevent the murder. So this asshole lawyer wants to shift the murder on the public. What a dickhead. If this is the best defense he is going to put up for his client, he is dead meat.

Having had a lot of experience with lawyers in the past, the 2 police officers standing next to the officer who actually had his knee on the victim are probably going to get off.

The Nazis at the Nuremburg Trials tried that tactic saying they were acting under direct orders from Himmler, and Hitler. It didn't wash then because that was war and Germany was the loser so the the victor the spoils who also have the luxury of writing the history books.

But in this case, I can see at least 2 of the officers will get off. Maybe even 3 officers. The guy with the knee on the man's wind pipe though is goners.

As for the lawyers. They are doing a job defending their clients and making sure they get a fair trial and to get them off if they can. Nothing personal in law. It's a legal system not a justice system and we should always remember that. Justice is not always served.

Which is why the other three has been charged with aiding and abetting a 2nd degree murder and not same as Chauvin. The least they will be charged with with plea bargaining for the three would be 2nd degree involuntary manslaughter. The question will arise in the trials whether these three officers turned Chauvin in to their watch commander at the police station for killing Floyd or did they all conspired after the fact to stick to just one story, most probably lead by Chauvin?

Let’s say there is a bank robbery with 3 men in the bank doing the robbery and a getaway driver waiting outside. One of the three inside the bank kills the guard and they all get in the car and off they go, but get caught few blocks away. Do you think the driver would be let off? I don’t thinks so.

Yes, in our legal system everyone needs to be represented by a defense lawyer if the client wishes to have one and that’s fine, but this one lawyer trying to already try this case outside the courtroom for his client that because the public did not jump in and throw Chauvin off Floyd to save his life, his client should also not be held responsible for holding down Floyd while he was being murdered. If the public did intervened, chances are they would have been shot dead by the same three cops, including by the rookies for officer safety and they would have been exonerated.

[Paphitis]

So, this fucking lawyer representing one of the rookie police officers holding down Floyd while he was murdered is saying that the rookie couldn’t stop the murder which he took part in so he cannot be blamed or held responsible, because the public who were filming and pleading with the murdering officer with his knee on Floyd’s neck also did not help to prevent the murder. So this asshole lawyer wants to shift the murder on the public. What a dickhead. If this is the best defense he is going to put up for his client, he is dead meat.

Having had a lot of experience with lawyers in the past, the 2 police officers standing next to the officer who actually had his knee on the victim are probably going to get off.

The Nazis at the Nuremburg Trials tried that tactic saying they were acting under direct orders from Himmler, and Hitler. It didn't wash then because that was war and Germany was the loser so the the victor the spoils who also have the luxury of writing the history books.

But in this case, I can see at least 2 of the officers will get off. Maybe even 3 officers. The guy with the knee on the man's wind pipe though is goners.

As for the lawyers. They are doing a job defending their clients and making sure they get a fair trial and to get them off if they can. Nothing personal in law. It's a legal system not a justice system and we should always remember that. Justice is not always served.

Which is why the other three has been charged with aiding and abetting a 2nd degree murder and not same as Chauvin. The least they will be charged with with plea bargaining for the three would be 2nd degree voluntary manslaughter. The question will arise in the trials whether these three officers turned Chauvin in to their watch commander at the police station for killing Floyd or did they all conspired after the fact to stick to just one story, most probably lead by Chauvin?

Let’s say there is a bank robbery with 3 men in the bank doing the robbery and a getaway driver waiting outside. One of the three inside the bank kills the guard and they all get in the car and off they go, but get caught few blocks away. Do you think the driver would be let off? I don’t thinks so.

Yes, in our legal system everyone needs to be represented by a defense lawyer if the client wishes to have one and that’s fine, but this one lawyer trying to already try this case outside the courtroom for his client that because the public did not jump in and throw Chauvin off Floyd to save his life, his client should also not be held responsible for holding down Floyd while he was being murdered. If the public did intervened, chances are they would have been shot dead by the same three cops, including by the rookies for officer safety and they would have been exonerated.

What I am suggesting is that if the other officers were of lower rank, then they actually have a pretty solid defence and their Lawyers are going to exploit that and anything else they have to get those 3 off. If I was to wager a bet, I would bet on those 3 getting off completely.

If the 3 coppers were rookies, then that is going to bolster their defence some more.

And yes, the legal argument that bystanders were doing nothing is a valid argument. Obviously they didn't do nothing because they felt fear. Understandable, but the lawyers of the other 3 are going to argue that their clients had the same feelings. These lawyers are going to use everything they can muster in their arsenal.

The other guy however, has no hope.

Knowing a bit about my personality. If I was there, I would have maybe have been arrested. I just can't stand there and witness an injustice like that. I probably would have been yelling but I think I would have walked up to that cop and grabbed him to pull him off. I would imagine I probably would have ended up on charges for interfering with police or physically assaulted.

[Kikapu]

So, this fucking lawyer representing one of the rookie police officers holding down Floyd while he was murdered is saying that the rookie couldn’t stop the murder which he took part in so he cannot be blamed or held responsible, because the public who were filming and pleading with the murdering officer with his knee on Floyd’s neck also did not help to prevent the murder. So this asshole lawyer wants to shift the murder on the public. What a dickhead. If this is the best defense he is going to put up for his client, he is dead meat.

Having had a lot of experience with lawyers in the past, the 2 police officers standing next to the officer who actually had his knee on the victim are probably going to get off.

The Nazis at the Nuremburg Trials tried that tactic saying they were acting under direct orders from Himmler, and Hitler. It didn't wash then because that was war and Germany was the loser so the the victor the spoils who also have the luxury of writing the history books.

But in this case, I can see at least 2 of the officers will get off. Maybe even 3 officers. The guy with the knee on the man's wind pipe though is goners.

As for the lawyers. They are doing a job defending their clients and making sure they get a fair trial and to get them off if they can. Nothing personal in law. It's a legal system not a justice system and we should always remember that. Justice is not always served.

Which is why the other three has been charged with aiding and abetting a 2nd degree murder and not same as Chauvin. The least they will be charged with with plea bargaining for the three would be 2nd degree voluntary manslaughter. The question will arise in the trials whether these three officers turned Chauvin in to their watch commander at the police station for killing Floyd or did they all conspired after the fact to stick to just one story, most probably lead by Chauvin?

Let’s say there is a bank robbery with 3 men in the bank doing the robbery and a getaway driver waiting outside. One of the three inside the bank kills the guard and they all get in the car and off they go, but get caught few blocks away. Do you think the driver would be let off? I don’t thinks so.

Yes, in our legal system everyone needs to be represented by a defense lawyer if the client wishes to have one and that’s fine, but this one lawyer trying to already try this case outside the courtroom for his client that because the public did not jump in and throw Chauvin off Floyd to save his life, his client should also not be held responsible for holding down Floyd while he was being murdered. If the public did intervened, chances are they would have been shot dead by the same three cops, including by the rookies for officer safety and they would have been exonerated.

What I am suggesting is that if the other officers were of lower rank, then they actually have a pretty solid defence and their Lawyers are going to exploit that and anything else they have to get those 3 off. If I was to wager a bet, I would bet on those 3 getting off completely.

If the 3 coppers were rookies, then that is going to bolster their defence some more.

And yes, the legal argument that bystanders were doing nothing is a valid argument. Obviously they didn't do nothing because they felt fear. Understandable, but the lawyers of the other 3 are going to argue that their clients had the same feelings. These lawyers are going to use everything they can muster in their arsenal.

The other guy however, has no hope.

Knowing a bit about my personality. If I was there, I would have maybe have been arrested. I just can't stand there and witness an injustice like that. I probably would have been yelling but I think I would have walked up to that cop and grabbed him to pull him off. I would imagine I probably would have ended up on charges for interfering with police or physically assaulted.

You would have been shot dead by the Asian cop standing guard. Because the public cannot know that Floyd was dying, they are not in a position to challenge the officers other than shout at them to stop. Once Floyd was dead under the knee of Chauvin three minutes past his last breath, the three cops were still on him, despite there being no movement from Floyd’s lifeless body.

I have stated before, that there is more to the relationship between Floyd and Chauvin. Floyd was already in the back of the squad car as much as he could be for a big man with his hands cuffed behind his back. After Chauvin arrives at the seen, Floyd is dragged and pushed out of the car to what the intent was to murder him by Chauvin. The other three officers assisted to get Floyd out of the car and pin him down while one officer kept watch. All 4 are guilty as sin to some degree In murdering Floyd.

[Paphitis]

So, this fucking lawyer representing one of the rookie police officers holding down Floyd while he was murdered is saying that the rookie couldn’t stop the murder which he took part in so he cannot be blamed or held responsible, because the public who were filming and pleading with the murdering officer with his knee on Floyd’s neck also did not help to prevent the murder. So this asshole lawyer wants to shift the murder on the public. What a dickhead. If this is the best defense he is going to put up for his client, he is dead meat.

Having had a lot of experience with lawyers in the past, the 2 police officers standing next to the officer who actually had his knee on the victim are probably going to get off.

The Nazis at the Nuremburg Trials tried that tactic saying they were acting under direct orders from Himmler, and Hitler. It didn't wash then because that was war and Germany was the loser so the the victor the spoils who also have the luxury of writing the history books.

But in this case, I can see at least 2 of the officers will get off. Maybe even 3 officers. The guy with the knee on the man's wind pipe though is goners.

As for the lawyers. They are doing a job defending their clients and making sure they get a fair trial and to get them off if they can. Nothing personal in law. It's a legal system not a justice system and we should always remember that. Justice is not always served.

Which is why the other three has been charged with aiding and abetting a 2nd degree murder and not same as Chauvin. The least they will be charged with with plea bargaining for the three would be 2nd degree voluntary manslaughter. The question will arise in the trials whether these three officers turned Chauvin in to their watch commander at the police station for killing Floyd or did they all conspired after the fact to stick to just one story, most probably lead by Chauvin?

Let’s say there is a bank robbery with 3 men in the bank doing the robbery and a getaway driver waiting outside. One of the three inside the bank kills the guard and they all get in the car and off they go, but get caught few blocks away. Do you think the driver would be let off? I don’t thinks so.

Yes, in our legal system everyone needs to be represented by a defense lawyer if the client wishes to have one and that’s fine, but this one lawyer trying to already try this case outside the courtroom for his client that because the public did not jump in and throw Chauvin off Floyd to save his life, his client should also not be held responsible for holding down Floyd while he was being murdered. If the public did intervened, chances are they would have been shot dead by the same three cops, including by the rookies for officer safety and they would have been exonerated.

What I am suggesting is that if the other officers were of lower rank, then they actually have a pretty solid defence and their Lawyers are going to exploit that and anything else they have to get those 3 off. If I was to wager a bet, I would bet on those 3 getting off completely.

If the 3 coppers were rookies, then that is going to bolster their defence some more.

And yes, the legal argument that bystanders were doing nothing is a valid argument. Obviously they didn't do nothing because they felt fear. Understandable, but the lawyers of the other 3 are going to argue that their clients had the same feelings. These lawyers are going to use everything they can muster in their arsenal.

The other guy however, has no hope.

Knowing a bit about my personality. If I was there, I would have maybe have been arrested. I just can't stand there and witness an injustice like that. I probably would have been yelling but I think I would have walked up to that cop and grabbed him to pull him off. I would imagine I probably would have ended up on charges for interfering with police or physically assaulted.

You would have been shot dead by the Asian cop standing guard. Because the public cannot know that Floyd was dying, they are not in a position to challenge the officers other than shout at them to stop. Once Floyd was dead under the knee of Chauvin three minutes past his last breath, the three cops were still on him, despite there being no movement from Floyd’s lifeless body.

I have stated before, that there is more to the relationship between Floyd and Chauvin. Floyd was already in the back of the squad car as much as he could be for a big man with his hands cuffed behind his back. After Chauvin arrives at the seen, Floyd is dragged and pushed out of the car to what the intent was to murder him by Chauvin. The other three officers assisted to get Floyd out of the car and pin him down while one officer kept watch. All 4 are guilty as sin to some degree In murdering Floyd.

Probably! US Cops are always pretty edgy probably because of the gun problems on the streets there.

In Australia, probably wouldn't get shot. Maybe a small chance of getting tazered, but an even bigger chance of getting arrested or manhandled. How that would wash in court is anyone'e guess. But the guy was clearly struggling to breathe and actually passed out because of that. he would have died sometime after that. The police officer maintaining his knee on the suspects throat when he was clearly no longer any threat, was certainly breaking the law that led to him losing his life and therefore that officer must be dealt with most definitely. The courts will have to investigate why the other officers did nothing as to whether they are also culpable of a crime. So they will need to ascertain what the other 3 were thinking and their intentions and whether they were able to do anything. The lawyers are clearly going to argue for them, as you would expect.

[repulsewarrior]

...the Thin Blue Line is a "brotherhood", that goes all across the world.

It goes without saying that they are all feeling a little uncomfortable right now.

What started in America leads me to wonder how this same Police "force" were also emboldened by the years of American Police Forces using this violent behaviour, typically, in their everyday work.

...yes, "they" were rookie cops, and this, is, the training they get; something to think about.

"Values", what is represented, without accountability?

If the Police are taught Intelligence, how to gather it, how to apply it, before they merit using guns, those who carry guns have a better chance of being respected, in their Authority.

In effect the general public will rarely see Police who carry guns. Where a gun is seen, will mean so much more to them; isn't that the way it should be?

[repulsewarrior]

https://youtu.be/anCHu4Yn7Cg

...some cases, Blacks aren't rented to, aren't sold goods, or charged more, and from public officers prejudice and Ignorance.

...it is so normal, some are brazen about their hatred even in public knowing others will remain silent.

...allowing protests against racism on campus were refused by all the universities, but one.

...interesting local news; "...that is how bad it is".

[Oceanside50]

Those racist Mericans (that elected a black president) eh...?

Fuck off, Carson Tucker. The riots are about police brutality killing 1000+ citizens a year and committing violence and rights violations against millions more in many forms, and you want to talk about only those who died during the demonstrations. Fuck of Carlson Tucker. What a dick head.

After George Bush the son fiasco as a president , Americans would have voted anyone who could put a short sentences together. Obama did that and more. Just because A black man was elected president, it does not mean there is no racism in the USA. Besides, these demonstrations are about racism and brutality within the corrupt criminal police gangs and not about racism in general.

Now now kikapu.. “ killing 1000+ citizens per year”. Very bold statement and not accurate.. where’s your source?

[Oceanside50]

Those racist Mericans (that elected a black president) eh...?

Fuck off, Carson Tucker. The riots are about police brutality killing 1000+ citizens a year and committing violence and rights violations against millions more in many forms, and you want to talk about only those who died during the demonstrations. Fuck of Carlson Tucker. What a dick head.

After George Bush the son fiasco as a president , Americans would have voted anyone who could put a short sentences together. Obama did that and more. Just because A black man was elected president, it does not mean there is no racism in the USA. Besides, these demonstrations are about racism and brutality within the corrupt criminal police gangs and not about racism in general.

Now now kikapu.. “ killing 1000+ citizens per year”. Very bold statement and not accurate.. where’s your source?

[Oceanside50]

Those racist Mericans (that elected a black president) eh...?

Fuck off, Carson Tucker. The riots are about police brutality killing 1000+ citizens a year and committing violence and rights violations against millions more in many forms, and you want to talk about only those who died during the demonstrations. Fuck of Carlson Tucker. What a dick head.

After George Bush the son fiasco as a president , Americans would have voted anyone who could put a short sentences together. Obama did that and more. Just because A black man was elected president, it does not mean there is no racism in the USA. Besides, these demonstrations are about racism and brutality within the corrupt criminal police gangs and not about racism in general.

Now now kikapu.. “ killing 1000+ citizens per year”. Very bold statement and not accurate.. where’s your source?

Shapiro says it very well

https://youtu.be/qOjbn4GwobE

[Kikapu]

Those racist Mericans (that elected a black president) eh...?

Fuck off, Carson Tucker. The riots are about police brutality killing 1000+ citizens a year and committing violence and rights violations against millions more in many forms, and you want to talk about only those who died during the demonstrations. Fuck of Carlson Tucker. What a dick head.

After George Bush the son fiasco as a president , Americans would have voted anyone who could put a short sentences together. Obama did that and more. Just because A black man was elected president, it does not mean there is no racism in the USA. Besides, these demonstrations are about racism and brutality within the corrupt criminal police gangs and not about racism in general.

Now now kikapu.. “ killing 1000+ citizens per year”. Very bold statement and not accurate.. where’s your source?

Now now Ocean, did you know you are 10 times more likely to be killed by the criminal police gang in the USA than by a terrorist?

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https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... e-by-race/