miltiades wrote:Do speculators only speculate in falling currencies?
Did you literally mean what you just wrote?
miltiades wrote:Do speculators only speculate in falling currencies?
CrookedRiverGuy wrote:miltiades wrote:Do speculators only speculate in falling currencies?
Did you literally mean what you just wrote?
Since Robin considers that the fall in Sterling has nothing to do with Brexit and it is solely due to speculators, I just wondered if speculation only produces downward trends !!!!
Of course Brexit is the only reason for the rather dramatic fall
Incidentally, speculators are the way that financial markets work be it stocks and shares currency and commodities.
Adverse economic results drive a currency down, such as Brexit.
miltiades wrote:Your comparison is nothing short of absurd!!!
Day after Brexit results the pound crashed. Do remember that since ALL commodities, currency included, rise or fall because of trading activities that are based either on unfavourable results, fear of a major conflict, excellent results
Or lousy results such as the Brecit results.
Brexit is the culprit, and when finally we say FO to the largest trading group in Europe snd perhaps the world, that is when the funeral of stg will take place.
Those who voted for Brexit were not influenced by economics but pseudo rationalism, such as the bullshit of getting our country back, make our own laws etc that the not so sophisticated working classes and geriatrics fell for.
What will the UK gain by abandoning the EU. I tell you mate. Bolloucs !!
Robin Hood wrote:Speculators are Market Traders and I would assume part of the banking system, otherwise how would they be able to lay their hands on the vast sums of money they have access to for funds. So they are bank employees. They play with sums equivalent to one years UK GDP .... every day. They could only access that sort of money through banks. That is how Gleeson fell down, he was gambling with banks money and lost it on bad /risky speculation....
Pyrpolizer wrote:Robin Hood wrote:Speculators are Market Traders and I would assume part of the banking system, otherwise how would they be able to lay their hands on the vast sums of money they have access to for funds. So they are bank employees. They play with sums equivalent to one years UK GDP .... every day. They could only access that sort of money through banks. That is how Gleeson fell down, he was gambling with banks money and lost it on bad /risky speculation....
I disagree. You assume the biggest part of the speculators are independent separate from the Banks entities. The opposite is true. In fact the biggest speculators are Banks themselves like CitiBank just to name one. Then comes the various funds. The fact that some of those Banks like to separate their currency trading activities into sister companies is just for taxation purposes.
Furthermore you seem to have a wrong idea of the volume of currency traded by the speculators. It is usually about 5 times more than the needs of the primary market. Taking the UK's case it is about 5 times more it's total annual imports.The reason it is 5 times more it's because it's been exchanged too many times. In reality the currency in the hands of speculators at any given time is much less. I will post links later when I will have more time.
Here's how much currency is traded every day
If you’ve ever wondered just how much currency is traded on average each and every day, we have some good news. Thanks to HSBC, citing data from the Bank of International Settlements (BIS), we have the answer.
It’s $5,100,000,000,000. That’s trillion with a “t”.
It’s a mind-boggling figure, but actually smaller than the $5.4 trillion average seen three years earlier.
http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-currency-is-traded-every-day-2016-9
RH wrote: But it is the action of the speculators that creates the change ..... not economics.
How do you know that?? It's actually the real economy that flags the speculators to start selling. By the minute Brexit was announced all foreign demand for GBP for investments in the UK was put on hold, isn't that true? It's simple supply and demand rule. Less demand equals less exchange rate for the GBP.
Undoubtedly there's also the speculators multiplying effect of selling large volumes of GBP that pushes the exchange rates further down that what it should be. However, theoretically at least, this multiplying effect balances out with another historic multiplying effect that had pushed the exchange rate of GBP upwards in the past when there was too much demand for it.
RH wrote: The pound loses its purchasing power over short periods of time (Milliseconds to months) as a result of speculation. A change due to economics would occur over a much longer time scale and would be related to the creation of money by the banks. ....
...So it lost around 1.5 cents in just over two hours! That was all down to speculation, not economics.
That's true. The reason is because speculators make a profit by predicting future changes in economics.
They take action now before it will be too late. However look at the effect. It's more or less 1%. Probably another 1% next day and another 1% the one after next. This is more than enough for all speculators to have reached the absolute minimum reserves of GBP they need to serve their clients of the primary market.
Now do you honestly believe that the drop of GBP from 1.3 before the Brexit vote to 1.10 of today is because (or by most part) of the speculators??
Robin Hood wrote: If you’ve ever wondered just how much currency is traded on average each and every day, we have some good news. Thanks to HSBC, citing data from the Bank of International Settlements (BIS), we have the answer.
It’s $5,100,000,000,000. That’s trillion with a "t".
Robin Hood wrote: As you point out it is the buying/selling pattern that decides the rate. The trader buys ..... the computer sees the buy and maybe several more and decides the rate ...... the rate rises. When the buying spree stops, the rate remains unchanged until another trader speculates it will fall and he starts to sell ..... once again the computer sees the traders actions and the rate goes down. The large falls/rises are when a whole host of traders get the same idea at the same time ...... like they did with the Brexit result. They panicked and rapidly sold the GBP ......... that is why the change took place in a very short time. The only link to the economy is through the trader and he is merely speculating.
Pyrpolizer wrote: Now do you honestly believe that the drop of GBP from 1.3 before the Brexit vote to 1.10 of today is because (or by most part) of the speculators??
Robin Hood wrote: Absolutely ......... there is no other way the rate can change other than the market traders speculating and buying/selling on their perception of a future event. Applied slowly it will create a trend for the rate over a period of time. You can see the trend on the charts ...... the peaks and troughs are almost instantaneous computer reactions to trader’s actions.
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