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[Tim Drayton]

Attorney general, Jeremy Wright, giving the government’s first reaction outside the supreme court, said that the government is disappointed. But, he says, we have the good fortune to live in a country where everyone has to obey the law. So of course the government will comply.

[Londonrake]

Pardon me, but isn't Britain supposed to be a parliamentary democracy?

I was going to say "don't make me laugh". Too late!

In 2015 The European Referendum Act was brought before Parliament. it proposed, after the acceptance of a recommendation by the Electoral Commission, asking the entire UK electorate the question "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" Parliament voted 6 to 1 to pass the bill. This was only the 3rd nation-wide such poll. Note that there was never any referendum asking whether the UK people wished to become a member of "The Common Market".

At the time the Government said "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide" The result deemed to be upon a simple FPTP basis.

The referendum was the largest such event in the history of the UK. The result a matter of history.

Talk of the votes of 33,000,000 people being just "an opinion poll" is disingenuos in the extreme. To legislate for such an event and then ignore its result would have shown parliamentary democracy to to be a complete sham. There would have been trouble and I suspect UKIP would have reaped the benefits.

In holding the referendum Parliament effectively abrogated its right to decide on the issue. Having looked into the background to some of the Supreme Court judges I am frankly surprised that 3 actually voted for the government. What on Earth the courts are doing messing about in this is a mystery to me.

The judiciary has just confirmed the above by 8 votes to 3. I breathe freer knowing that I am still the citizen of a country in which the rule of law and democracy prevails.

Not for long though, according to your earlier post.

Attorney general, Jeremy Wright, giving the government’s first reaction outside the supreme court, said that the government is disappointed. But, he says, we have the good fortune to live in a country where everyone has to obey the law. So of course the government will comply.

AFAIUI and if the news since the appeal is anything to go by the a very short bill will be introduced to enable HMG to invoke A50 quite quickly. Given that they have already obtained a significant majority to support the event I would imagine that things have been overtaken somewhat.

Your NWO friends will have to try their next avenue to overturn over the votes of 17,000,000 people but I imagine that money will be no objective.

[Tim Drayton]

Indeed, most parliamentarians' have already said that they will go along with the so-called majority will expressed by 37% of the electorate, so the UK will still most likely go down what in my humble opinion will be a ruinous road, so I don't see what all the fuss is about. It is a matter of principle that parliament should debate and vote on the issue and if it decides in the direction of national suicide, so be it.

[Tim Drayton]

[quote="Londonrake"

In 2015 The European Referendum Act was brought before Parliament. it proposed, after the acceptance of a recommendation by the Electoral Commission, asking the entire UK electorate the question "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?" Parliament voted 6 to 1 to pass the bill. This was only the 3rd nation-wide such poll. Note that there was never any referendum asking whether the UK people wished to become a member of "The Common Market".

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Parliament passed the European Union Referendum Act of 2015 (the text is here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/201 ... d/data.htm ). There is no wording in the text that says the result is binding on parliament, so it isn't. The size of the vote in favour of the act has no bearing on whether the result is binding.

[Robin Hood]

Pardon me, but isn't Britain supposed to be a parliamentary democracy?

A democratic referendum expressed the will of the people with a majority in favour of leaving the EU.

Parliament serves the will of the people and the will of the people was clearly demonstrated by a majority vote in favour of leaving.

Don't see what all the fuss is about. We are leaving a sinking ship ..... no good having one foot in the lifeboat and the other on the deck of the Titanic. The sooner the UK starts rowing ...... the better!

But you just carry on and hedge your bets by going for a Cypriot passport but ....... if there was ever a need here to seek the protection of the British forces, I have no doubt you will be at the front of the crowd waving your British Passport!

[Londonrake]

There is no wording in the text that says the result is binding on parliament, so it isn't. The size of the vote in favour of the act has no bearing on whether the result is binding.

So, having gone to the enormous trouble and expense of holding such a huge and rare event - and assured the electorate that they will abide by the result They ignore it? Which part of "democracy" would that have belonged in? I can suggest an answer. The Brussels part.

We will have to disagree on "ruinous".

What's happened since, the vindictive spite and the resorting to absolutely any device to either overturn, dilute or delay, is what's created all this animosity and divisiveness. Had the result been to remain it wouldn't have happened. People would simply have gotten on with their lives and Farage wandered off into the wilderness. Any attempts by Leavers to act as above would, quite rightly, have had them treated as a bunch of pathetic, sore losers, They would have been laughing stocks.

BTW. Your earlier reference to a Brexiteer "wall" must IMHO be an Everest of hypocrisy.

[Londonrake]

I note, not without a degree of amusement, that having had their plea for exception consideration wrt A50 dismissed out of hand by His Lordships of the Supreme Court***, Nicola Sturgeon has declared that the SNP will raise 50 amendments to whatever associated bill HMG presents. Not 49 or 51 but precisely 50 (Article 50 - get it?) This before they have even had sight of the legislation.

I don't know what Members view's are on Ms Sturgeon but to me she always seems to be trying to act like an Angela Merkel-type Head of State. Rushing around making Prime Ministerial noises to little avail.

*** Foreign Affairs (including dealings with the EU), like Defence has never of course been devolved to Edinburgh, nor Cardiff or Belfast. Westminster has always been the Sovereign Parliament for the UK, although, to watch Nicola's antics you could perhaps think otherwise.

Here's what she said about Trump by the way:

[Lordo]

you see when it comes to parliament and all the rights of the workers aree seen to melt way with the scrapping of the eu legislation, i cannot see a single labour mp voting for it nor snp or ni mps either. it will take about 30 conservative mps to cut it out.

the lords decision is the best news i have heard for a very long time. but the old mad cowed deseased woman reckons it makes no difference what the constitution lawyers have sai. would you adam and eve it

[Get Real!]

Pardon me, but isn't Britain supposed to be a parliamentary democracy?

He meant on paper.

[Schnauzer]

you see when it comes to parliament and all the rights of the workers aree seen to melt way with the scrapping of the eu legislation, i cannot see a single labour mp voting for it nor snp or ni mps either. it will take about 30 conservative mps to cut it out.

the lords decision is the best news i have heard for a very long time. but the old mad cowed deseased woman reckons it makes no difference what the constitution lawyers have sai. would you adam and eve it

As has oft been said with a great deal of truth :- What the lay person knows of 'Politics' is on a par with that which their backsides know about 'Snipe Shooting'.

OR:=

What the lay person is allowed to know of 'Politics', could be poked up a 'Sparrows' backside with a bradawl.

BUT, it's entertaining to argue about something you know little about I suppose and it gives 'Politicians' a free rein to lie and cheat till their hearts are content.

Don't 'Vote' just 'Vomit' was a very sound piece of advice circulating one of the former election campaigns in the 'UK', ...it did not work.