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[Paphitis]

Lordo:

the deep state in america are the corporations. it is the democrats that are in the shit becasuse obama promissed and delivered nothing. he could not give them the most basic healthcare and he could not even close a prison which is against the law in america.

The Deep State is a State within a State; it gives no allegiance to any political party or to the country itself. The corporations are just a small part of it ...... it transcends the whole financial/banking system, political, media and military landscapes.

on the other hand the republicans can always be relied upon to dress up their policies with the help of the media to look presentable. after all make america great again and take control of your borders sound great and are certain to fool a lot of thick bastards to vote for them. the americans supposedly have voted against establisment and yet voted a bunch of billioners which are head of corporations into government.

They may be billionaires but that does not make them Deep State. America will be great again when it regains the respect of the rest of the World.

its not that the deep state is in the shit, the deep state is now in government.

The Deep State IS the Government but not the one the people vote for, that is the facade that conceals the reality. It is not just apparent in the US either; it is also ‘The Establishment' in the UK as well as many European countries and also the EU central ‘government’ set up in Brussels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_state_in_the_United_States

god help the poor and the immigrants of america. But of course in a few years time the democrats can be relied upon to win back and keep the seat warm for the next republican government

May your God help us all! The ‘sheeple’ are waking up but is it too late? The US has effectively become a police State over the last decade or so and the function of the police is to enforce what is in the interests of the Deep State, not protect The People. If the enforcers turn on their masters the whole picture will change dramatically.

We may even see these changes happen in our lifetime ?

I do agree. Screw stupid Obama Care. My health insurance to cover me and my wife is almost $600usd a month. Before Obama took into office my health car with my wife was under $300usd a month. Now the people that refuse to work like my cousin that have 6 kids. Is taking advantage of the health care, housing, food stamps and free government money since all his kids are autistic. The people like myself that busting his rear end 60hours a week and running a part time consulting business and we have to suffer with this stupid Obama care?

The US Government need to stop aiding and giving free money to other country's and help with there own American people. I'm trying to figure out how is the United State is giving military aid money away and there are still in major debt?

For all the factory's that the United State had like the state of Michigan that file bankruptcy because they moved most of the automobile factors to Mexico. What did the Government do to help when Hurricane Katrina came thru the state of Louisiana and Mississippi?

This is why I never voted in my life to these crooked SOB, especially the people in Congress.

Another thing is Chelsea Clinton (President Bill Clinton daughter) her net worth is $15 Million dollars. She never worked in her life.

You have to have debt to build credit and then the more credit you have you can have a decent living. This is the life for an average worker American. Here is the bad part you have immigrants sneaking into America there getting hired and there paying them under the table tax free for less money then the people that have American Citizenship. This is why American can't find jobs.

This is why I can't wait for retirement. I can take my family and move the hell out of the United State.

What Military Aid money.

Sure they help some countries with aid, but what they get from global military expenditure is worth Billions and employs hundreds of thousands of people in the USA.

You must be a Trump supporter.

[Paphitis]

Secondly, USA isn't an extension of the British Empire.

It actually fought the British.

And as an Empire, everyone would wish it to be like the American Empire which has actually redefined the very meaning of Empire.

The world has never been more free or prosperous than it is now with the Americans at the helm.

They are the best Empire ever known to man. Exactly what the Ancient Greeks intended. Live and let live, free market, free press, freedom of association, gender equality, freedom to worship, freedom of thought, liberty, liberalism and a progressive outlook and society.

[Robin Hood]

Secondly, USA isn't an extension of the British Empire.

It actually fought the British.

And as an Empire, everyone would wish it to be like the American Empire which has actually redefined the very meaning of Empire.

The world has never been more free or prosperous than it is now with the Americans at the helm.

They are the best Empire ever known to man. Exactly what the Ancient Greeks intended. Live and let live, free market, free press, freedom of association, gender equality, freedom to worship, freedom of thought, liberty, liberalism and a progressive outlook and society.

At least I recognise when I get it wrong!

I don't think you are even in the real world !.......... just watch the TV ....... any channel, and the signs are quite disturbing, not just in the US but in the Western world in general Then follow the trends on some MSM and the independent sources and, as you are such an expert analyst, you will see direction events are taking. You carry on believing in your Utopian world and may you enjoy all the freedoms you think you have, because they have either disappeared and you didn't notice, or are disappearing fast.

[Robin Hood]

As usual MoA gives a well researched view of events .......... but I doubt you will find it in the WP or NYT.

The Dangerous Precedence Of The Hunt Against Flynn ... And Trump - By Moon Of Alabama

Kicking Flynn out of his office has hurt Trump. His standing is diminished. The efforts against Flynn, mainly by the "deep state" in the intelligence agencies, were designed to change Trump's declared foreign policy aims. They worked. Yesterday the White House spokesperson said: President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to deescalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea.

It is alarming that the so-called left part of the U.S. policy is lauding the "deep state" for this open attack on the elected government. They are now justifying the methods that will one day be turned against themselves. Why do they fail to see this? Why has everyone else, well most, got a different view to yours ?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46460.htm#sthash.LG9ObVzW.dpuf

Why DO 'they' (you) fail to see this? Paphitis, do you have an answer or does he not really understand the situation as well as you do?

[Londonrake]

An interesting article (well, perhaps ) which talks about "the deep state's" political assassination of Michael Flynn and its possible implications for democracy in the US:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... el-flynns/

[Robin Hood]

An interesting article (well, perhaps ) which talks about "the deep state's" political assassination of Michael Flynn and its possible implications for democracy in the US:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... el-flynns/

I am sure it would be an interesting view but I can only access the first two paragraphs but they seemed to be more or less what I see happening too.

Until Paphitis started quoting Deep State I can honestly say that I had never considered the threat was from that direction, I believed that the 'lead' was in the hands of the banking/financial system and they had deep political connections. Even now I still think they are the ones pulling the strings as they are the finance for the Military Industrial Complex. I had not appreciated just how involved the Elite Establishment were, it's like a cancer that has spread undetected and hidden itself for years and the 'doctors' have been treating something else.

It really is all getting very complicated.

[Londonrake]

An interesting article (well, perhaps ) which talks about "the deep state's" political assassination of Michael Flynn and its possible implications for democracy in the US:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... el-flynns/

I am sure it would be an interesting view but I can only access the first two paragraphs but they seemed to be more or less what I see happening too.

Until Paphitis started quoting Deep State I can honestly say that I had never considered the threat was from that direction, I believed that the 'lead' was in the hands of the banking/financial system and they had deep political connections. Even now I still think they are the ones pulling the strings as they are the finance for the Military Industrial Complex. I had not appreciated just how involved the Elite Establishment were, it's like a cancer that has spread undetected and hidden itself for years and the 'doctors' have been treating something else.

It really is all getting very complicated.

Sorry. I subscribe and sometimes it can result in blocking. Give me a mo

[Londonrake]

Michael Flynn was politically assassinated by the deep state. If you are concerned about the threat President Donald Trump and his dysfunctional White House pose to democracy, you should think very seriously before cheering that on.

The "deep state" is a term used by some security analysts to refer to the network of permanent officials who execute the orders of their elected, but more temporary, bosses. In theory, they should serve politicians – and, by extension, the people. But if they start to act for themselves, that is very dangerous. And Flynn's orchestrated downfall by unaccountable, shadowy agents entrusted with the country’s most sensitive secrets is not just bad news for the Trump administration. It raises serious concerns over the democratic nature of the US political system.

This is not how a liberal democracy is meant to function. You may be right in thinking that Michael Flynn was a disastrous choice as National Security adviser and that his questionable ties to high-ranking Russian officials, including President Vladimir Putin and Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak, are compelling enough to withdraw confidence in him.

And you may be right in thinking that we are all safer without him walking the corridors of the White House. But the end does not justify the means. It was not the place of unelected members of the intelligence community to leak highly sensitive information to the public to bring down an official, a member of a democratically elected government, because he was deemed unqualified and undesirable by them.

The Trump administration’s dealings with Russia are a potentially egregious threat to US and Western interests and therefore rightly a matter of grave concern to the intelligence community. When a country’s spies no longer have confidence in the basic competence of the administration that they work for, we are in for dangerous times ahead.

When they no longer feel that they can share sensitive information with government officials because Russia has eyes and ears in the Oval Office, all alarm bells should go off.

But it matters, a great deal, who is holding the government accountable and how it is being done. In a liberal democracy there are proper procedures in place. It is the role of elected officials, members of the House of Representatives and the Senate, to investigate the government for breaking the law and endangering national security.

This is not to say that the intelligence community has no part to play in providing elected representatives with vital information relevant to their case or that they must pay lip service to the Trump administration.

Behind closed doors, it is not unusual for the government to be at odds with the intelligence community. But what we are now witnessing is open warfare between the White House and the country’s security apparatus, with both parties making no secret of the contempt they have for each other.

The leaking of highly sensitive material by an unelected agent to bring down an official of the government is an unprecedented breach of trust that must be unequivocally condemned. If liberal democracy means anything, regardless of political orientation, the engineered political assassination of Flynn must be denounced by Trump critics and supporters alike. And if this happened in any other country – or to any other president – we would see it as symptomatic of a decline of democracy and a corruption of the security apparatus.

The rise of the deep state cannot be the answer to bringing down the Trump administration, no matter how critical you may be of the government and its conduct. That would be a dangerous drift towards a police state not worthy of the land of the free.

[Paphitis]

Yes Flynn had unauthorized communications with Russian officials and even discussed sanctions.

He did not have the authority to do this and his actions amount to a massive and illegal security breach.

Just 2 days ago, Australian Security Agencies, which can be called the Deep State because they serve the country and people, went to Parliament House and warned all parliamentarians to not communicate with officials of the Russian Federation without approval and even told them to not use email or mobile phones to discuss any official Government business. All official communications to go via the Gonvernments Encrypted System because they have detected serious Russian Government hacks and espionage activities.

Anyone caught acting in contravention could be charged by Breaching Australian Secrets Act. Which means they are listening.

The same applies to all Departments and consulates.

We have a cyberwar.

[Robin Hood]

LR:
Thanks for posting the Telegraph article .... I was right, it was an interesting viewpoint. No doubt had I suggested such to you, even a couple of years ago, you would have accused me of promoting a looney left conspiracy theory? Whoever the author was has analysed what he is seeing and then putting together a scenario that is supported by facts. It is all credible as we see it unfolding almost daily, however what we have seen so far is just the tip of the iceberg and the revelations are going to become even more bizarre and unbelievable as time goes on.