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[Londonrake]

The problem is today that whatever is released without any evidence in the early stages of an event, is automatically assumed to be the truth by those that form an opinion by just skimming the headlines of the MSM or watching TV. Syria and Aleppo being a classic case of that ‘syndrome’! This initial opinion then becomes the ‘truth’ even though there has been no opportunity to put all the various bits of evidence together to form a much more likely scenario ........and the subject then fades from the headlines.

It will take many days before those in the know, if there is a cover up going on, will blow the whistle. Then this has to be routed to independent investigative journalists who again will have ‘contacts’ and then, an even more detailed story is formed. It is only then that we will be able to make our own judgement. Those that believe the initial ‘truth’ just carry on believing the first thing they were told as they rarely consult the independent news outlets for the later information.

I can understand the attraction (if your views are that way inclined) of the OP's philosophy and thus a possible conundrum.

Nevertheless, if his view is acceptable then clearly there is nothing more to be said. It doesn't matter what revelations unfold (and as Milti states those so far are compelling) none make any difference at all. They all merely become part of officialdom's "cover up" and are swept aside. You can't debate on such terms, it seems to me, because common sense and logic don't enter into it. From his POV I imagine that it's all so obvious to the OP and that people who refuse to acknowledge that this is yet another cynical stitch up by those in power are by implication gullible idiots. There lies the provocation.

Where is the supporting evidence for the OP? Moreover, should there actually be any (most unlikely I suspect) why shouldn't the gullible idiots reject it, regarding it equally as a stitch up?

It isn't debate in any sense, just giving vent to prejudicial fantasies.

[Schnauzer]

I do not tolerate fools easily, more so Perverts who served prison for despicable acts against a child.
Let everyone on this forum see the real Pervert, do not let his flawed superfluous PSEUDO eloquence fool you. He is a perverted individual that deserves nothing more but the Miltiades treatment.
I do not mince my words . I call a spade a spade and a Pervert a fucking pervert.
Once again pervert, fuck off.

The fact that I tolerate your insults seems to embolden you further and in YOUR case it is understandable since you have nothing to offer but insult, filth and stupidity.

You are unfit to associate with 'Polite Society' and, in the social circles of respectable folk, you would be deemed an imbecile and shunned.

You more than deserve the treatment you receive. I can not interact in a polite and civil manner with a Pervert, I think I made this crystal clear on many occasions.
You persistently refer to my ...being unable to read " that which is written" , a sign of your inept ability to understand that which I write. Let me make it clear. I consider you and your views totally unacceptable, your support and admiration of the savages is something I find revolting .
Now do you understand " that which is written" ?

The ONLY thing I do not understand is "How did you manage to post this response WITHOUT abuse ?"

Well done, NOW:- go back to some of the posts which you constantly refer to and read them very carefully, you may be surprised to discover that YOUR interpretations are not quite as accurate as you have led yourself to believe........try to view situations through the eyes/minds/lives of those you condemn and, who knows, you may even begin to understand that which is written.

Since you have turned this corner.... May I wish you the compliments of the season ?.

[Schnauzer]

What has " appeared " is a video in which he pledges his allegiance, AS YOU DO, to ISIS. On being confronted by the police he pulled out a gun and shot a police officer, reportedly shouting Allahoakbar.

Obviously, he too was infected by the notorious Allah virus, AS YOU ARE.

Do you recall the tread you introduced on the bravery of the barbarian who indiscriminately in cold blood shot and killed many British tourists.
You may fool some on this forum but you do not fool me with your pretentious " eloquence".

Do you recall the thread you posted on the Courage of Isis ? Do you recall your comments on every single atrocity committed by these savages ?

Go to hell Pervert .

The 'Video' which you refer to is confirmation of Anis Amri's dedication to HIS beliefs in the justification of the actions of IS in retaliation to the slaughter of (what HE considers to be) HIS 'Muslim Brothers' and does not confirm that it was HE that committed the 'Berlin' atrocity.

Neither does HIS 'Pledge of Alliance' indicate that 'I' must also (on account of MY observations) have 'Pledged Alliance' to the same cause as HE, nor does it indicate that 'I' am infected by the notorious 'Allah Virus'.

I DO recall every post I have ever made and make no apologies for the comments contained within them since they are opinions based on MY perceptions AND personal experiences, rather than those fed through the 'Junk Mail' (which is the main source of YOUR information) and has the power (if believed) to misguide and brainwash the reader.

More so if the 'Reader' is unable to understand that which is written (as is obvious in YOUR case)

Result:- Whether or not the person depicted in the 'Video' is in fact 'Anis Amri' (and the possibility of it not being HE is fair comment in THESE circumstances) it does not give you free license to publish your stupid, insulting and unfounded fabrications surrounding MY personality.

As to MY views, clearly explained in relation to ANY situation where a 'Lesser Force' is prepared to resist the aggression of a 'Greater Force' and are prepared to die in pursuit of it, if their cause is just and their heart is true...."Good Luck To Them" and long may their 'Courage' and 'Fortitude' be with them.

[miltiades]

The savages that you so admire are not fighting for their freedom, they are not fighting for the rights of muslims. They are fighting because they are vehemently
infected but what it has become to be known , the Allah virus.A dreadful disease, one that mutates and spreads their hatred against those that do not share their warped beliefs . They burned alive muslims, they behead anyone that does not share their sick and perverted ideology. These savages are not freedom fighters they are just barbarians. The entire muslim world condemns their actions and dissociate themselves from these savages.

On the hand you, praise their convictions and considers them courageous.

You are a sick bastard and a Pervert . No amount of pretentious display of " eloquence" could convince me that you are a sane individual.
Just like your mate, the psychopath, you too are infected with a massive mental disability. Your logic and feeble efforts to justify these brutalities is indicative of your disturbed mind.

[Schnauzer]

The savages that you so admire are not fighting for their freedom, they are not fighting for the rights of muslims. They are fighting because they are vehemently
infected but what it has become to be known , the Allah virus.A dreadful disease, one that mutates and spreads their hatred against those that do not share their warped beliefs . They burned alive muslims, they behead anyone that does not share their sick and perverted ideology. These savages are not freedom fighters they are just barbarians. The entire muslim world condemns their actions and dissociate themselves from these savages.

On the hand you, praise their convictions and considers them courageous.

You are a sick bastard and a Pervert . No amount of pretentious display of " eloquence" could convince me that you are a sane individual.
Just like your mate, the psychopath, you too are infected with a massive mental disability. Your logic and feeble efforts to justify these brutalities is indicative of your disturbed mind.

As far as I am aware (and I could be wrong) the reference to "The Allah Virus" which looms large in many of YOUR posts, is a figment of YOUR imagination and you use it to such a degree that it implies that ANY 'Muslim' must be infected with this 'Dreadful Disease' yet, you openly admit that you deny the existence of 'The Almighty' in any shape or form.

As to the 'Cause of IS', they ARE fighting for 'Freedom' from the oppression imposed upon them by nations which THEY regard as ''Harbingers of Death and Destruction' and a cursory glance at the ruins of 'Aleppo' is testament to the validity of THEIR claim.

As to the manner in which they deal with those who profess to be 'Muslim' (and it is certainly NOT in my sphere of knowledge to judge their motives) it would appear that IS require ALL 'Muslims' to take an oath of allegiance to THEIR beliefs (or pay tributes) and if the offer is refused, death is the penalty.

THEIR rules, (not mine) BUT, in the mindset of IS, THEY consider it a 'Favour' to dispatch those who do not comply and, it is possible that THEY believe that such actions are the only salvation for such folk.

That one should exhibit 'Courage for THEIR Convictions' is self explanatory and does not require YOUR consent since, (as has already been well established) 'Courage' is an attribute which YOU neither possess nor even understand and your OWN admissions confirm the fact.

Leave out the insults and abuse, you may yet learn something (even at YOUR age) and a good starting point might be a closer examination of YOUR contribution to the miserable life YOU have led thus far.

[miltiades]

You fucking pervert, did burning 2 Turkish soldiers alive reinforced the courage of their convictions. You are a sick bastard and you get up my nose. forthwith I shall refer to you as the fucking pervert. You are a sick bastard and do not deserve polite civil interaction either with me or anyone else.
Now, go blow your pervert self up , in the meantime Fuck off.

[Schnauzer]

You fucking pervert, did burning 2 Turkish soldiers alive reinforced the courage of their convictions. You are a sick bastard and you get up my nose. forthwith I shall refer to you as the fucking pervert. You are a sick bastard and do not deserve polite civil interaction either with me or anyone else.
Now, go blow your pervert self up , in the meantime Fuck off.

If I did as you ask of me in the order you suggest, I would only be able to perform the first task.

Merry Christmas to you too !

[Paphitis]

The Pervert is ready to condone any act committed by his ....brave savages. He has the time to write such absolute crap but not a word about the many killed in Berlin or the two Turkish soldiers burned alive by his courageous savages. Is there any wonder I express such ANIMOSITY TOWARDS THIS PIECE OF SHIT a mate of the other crap, the Psychopath.
Pervert go fuck your self !

Have to deal with YOU first 'Old Fool' since I cannot see where my comments can be interpreted as anything other than a suspicion that the general public are (once again) probably being fooled by the authorities.

How you arrive at the conclusion that I 'Condone' the atrocity is quite beyond my comprehension BUT, since we ALL know (on this forum) that YOU are incapable of understanding anything (other than filth and abuse} it comes as no surprise that the purpose of the content (if there be any value in it) is to at least question the events which preceded and were subsequent to the dreadful action in Berlin.

I wonder if you are aware of just how much of a 'Fool' you expose yourself to be when you persistently resort to insult and abuse when confronted with issues which are FAR beyond YOUR level of intelligence.

If for any reason the authorities have duped the general public, then this would be at the direction of European Security Agencies.

There are reasons why they would that, such as throw any fugitives off their scent and give them a false sense of security that they are off the grid.

I do know security agencies don't like to apprehend suspects immediately. They want them to remain in circulation for a while before they pounce. They have very successful strategies on not only maintaining surveillance against terrorists that have already committed an act, but also detecting accomplances, and the assailants co-conspirators and co-terrorist networks, their associations, funders and trainers.

You remember the post you made about the Americans having killed a wanted Australian ISIL terrorist. Well they didn't and the Australian Government just admitted that he was alive all along and ASIO were following him all over Turkey for about 6 months before he was arrested. Not once did Australia reveal to the public that its number one wanted terrorist was alive and still at large.

Basically, the public has NO right to have any knowledge on these matters AT ALL. The information is highly protected and classified and Security Agencies are not going to jeopardize their work or operations in foreign countries.

But in all likelihood, the individual killed in Italy probably is the terrorist they have been after. If it isn't, then the authorities want to give the impression that they got him by killing a lower value target as the perpetrator whilst keeping the other guy in circulation so he can lead them to others.

And yes if the latter is the case, evidence would be planted to convince MSM of the story the Security Agencies want divulged to the public.

It's done for the public's greater benefit and protection.

Police services received classified directions all the time about how any investigation will proceed, if at all, and procedures on what they should do from their Governments Security Agencies. If they want the case dead in the water, then it will be dead in the water so that the spooks can deal with it and run the operation the way the want to without any interference from and traffic cops.

The public want quick apprehensions because they want the perpetrator to pay. However, at times, terrorists are far more beneficial to be on the streets for the Security Services especially since they are under surveillance 24/7.

[Schnauzer]

Here is a small (but significant) point to mull over when considering the facts presented to the general public in order to convince us that 'Anis Amri' was the perpetrator of the 'Berlin Atrocity'.

He was a known criminal and had spent time in prison for crimes committed and was also wanted (at the time of his demise) for failure to appear at a court hearing on yet another charge.

Such a one as he, would certainly have the records of his D.N.A. taken and held (in common with ALL such offenders) in a secure location for future reference, in order that ANY re-offences could be quickly dealt with and, knowledge of such by the 'Would Be' offender would also serve as a restraint on careless future illegal activities.

IF the authorities found evidence of 'Anis Amri's' D.N.A. at the scene of the horrific incident, why was it necessary to come up with the same old 'Chestnut' used subsequent to the 9/11 fiasco ?, that his wallet which had his I.D. and personal details in it was found at the scene of the incident and yet, when he was shot to death, he did not even have a mobile phone in his possession, smacks of either a remarkably 'Cavalier' or 'Stupid' manner in which to approach the prospect of 'Doing a Job' by a professional lawbreaker.

It also smacks of the usual attitude of 'The Authorities' that the general public will believe anything they are 'Expected' to believe since, in the past, they have swallowed so much 'Bullshit', they just can't get enough of it BUT, something seems to be a 'Bit out of Bonk' THIS time and I think the manner in which the secondary evidence was used to bolster the D.N.A. is the 'Clincher', it just wasn't needed.

[Londonrake]

You have constructed and are promoting a conspiracy theory, bespoked to fit your particular views and prejudices. None of which will alter an iota based upon anything gleaned from known facts or rational deduction, posted on this forum, or any other.