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[devil]

It will remain vapourware until you can actually connect to it with all their hoo-hah fulfilled. There are still too many ifs and buts.

[Sotos]

devil, if you knew the company you wouldn't say this. It is a very serious company. Do you think they would spent millions just for vapourware? I don't know how much it will cost but I am sure ADSL2 will be available in Limassol and Nicosia this year

[devil]

As I say, UNTIL they produce the goods, it is vapourware, no matter who is involved or how big they are. They admit that they still have problems with CYTA and with various government departments. Until these are resolved, there is no practical implementation possible. Get it? VAPOURWARE, just as much as many of Microsoft's wild promises.

[Sotos]

devil, vapourware is when you make claims without having anything real. This is not the case here. We are talking about a big company with similar operations in other countries. They already have the infrastructure of fiber optics ready. You don't call this 'vapourware'.

[devil]

What is there that's REAL TODAY? Nothing! Vapourware.

[Sotos]

The infrastructure is real. They have fiber optics all over. Ask Hazza that works for them.

[devil]

Don't you get it? a) they are still dependent on CYTA and their speeds are governed by CYTA b) they admit they still require government green lights and they won't be easy to get and c) YOU, Sotos, are not connected, nor can YOU connect. It is STILL vapourware until the service becomes available to all and sundry, no matter how massive their infrastructure. I was told by CYTA that I would have ADSL in 6 months and that was 5 years ago - and I still don't have it The only proof of the pudding is in the eating.

[alex669]

Don't you get it? a) they are still dependent on CYTA and their speeds are governed by CYTA

Please explain from the technical point of view how cyta can control primetel speed?

b) they admit they still require government green lights and they won't be easy to get

Government green lights were given in May, 2004. when the cyta's monopoly was ended.

and c) YOU, Sotos, are not connected, nor can YOU connect. It is STILL vapourware until the service becomes available to all and sundry, no matter how massive their infrastructure. I was told by CYTA that I would have ADSL in 6 months and that was 5 years ago - and I still don't have it The only proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Well, I got your point. It seems that you never beleive in any announcements.

[devil]

Don't you get it? a) they are still dependent on CYTA and their speeds are governed by CYTA

Please explain from the technical point of view how cyta can control primetel speed?

a) because the last km (or so) of copper will always be Cyta
b) because the quality of Cyta wiring is often poor
c) because the available speed will always depend on the length and quality of copper between the node and the subscriber
d) (probably) because Cyta will insist on their interfacing between copper and optics be used.
e) the bitrate of a connection is governed by the slowest link in the chain, not the fastest

b) they admit they still require government green lights and they won't be easy to get

Government green lights were given in May, 2004. when the cyta's monopoly was ended.

You have already answered that yourself to the contrary:

In fact, the only delay may come from CyTA’s reluctance to implement and adhere to its signed and binding agreements to open up its network and allow PrimeTel to hire and place its equipment at the sub-loops.

PrimeTel is also facing other hurdles from the Ministries, the local Municipalities and other government departments for not allowing it to lay its fiber optic cables underground.

Until the service is available to the public, it remains vapourware!

[alex669]

a) because the last km (or so) of copper will always be Cyta

So what? It's just a pure copper.

b) because the quality of Cyta wiring is often poor

As I know the poor quality of wiring exists inside the flats and houses and it's a customer's responsibility to keep wiring inside the apartment in good condition.

c) because the available speed will always depend on the length and quality of copper between the node and the subscriber

Yes, and it's possible to get up to 24Mbps in Cyprus over cyta copper.

d) (probably) because Cyta will insist on their interfacing between copper and optics be used.

I guess that under interface you mean DSLAM? Do you really think that cyta will buy a DSLAMs for free and give them to primetel just to be able to control the situation?

e) the bitrate of a connection is governed by the slowest link in the chain, not the fastest

This doesn't count in DSL case. The available speed of one subscriber doesn't affect speed of another one.

b) they admit they still require government green lights and they won't be easy to get

Government green lights were given in May, 2004. when the cyta's monopoly was ended.

You have already answered that yourself to the contrary:

In fact, the only delay may come from CyTA’s reluctance to implement and adhere to its signed and binding agreements to open up its network and allow PrimeTel to hire and place its equipment at the sub-loops.

PrimeTel is also facing other hurdles from the Ministries, the local Municipalities and other government departments for not allowing it to lay its fiber optic cables underground.

Until the service is available to the public, it remains vapourware!

I meant that before 05.2004 it wasn't possible for private company to run telecom services in Cyprus. Now the government is obliged to allow this regardless if it wants to do this or not. However, government can always find the legal ways to delay the process, but is not able to stop it.