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[Paphitis]

Elite media say the Trump is akin to Hitler and the world will end. I mean seriously! The guy made a stupid comment when his microphone was on just imagine if he slaughtered 73,000 Americans. He too will be revered!

The same media revere Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. I mean seriously!

We are told that there is universal Health and Education in Cuba. Mmmmmmm interesting.

It was universal unless you were a Batista sympathizer or counter revolutionary.

And they mention the 638 CIA assasination attemps. Seriously? Now why wouldn't they want a cigar to explode in his face? I am rather shocked how the CIA failed so many times. Goodness me! Should have got the Aussies on the job.

That's it! I'm voting Golden Dawn and ELAM now!

People are just so stupid to be taking the media seriously!

Trump was right all along. The media are corrupt, are full of sh@t and sensationalist propaganda. All flower power and agenda driven anti US pro Fidel and Chu Guavera.

Time for a Cafe Late in my leafy burb with a few Doctor's wives I know!

No condolences from me. The death of Fidel is welcomed and long overdue.

When Che Guevara executed the Cuban Commissioner of Police and former Cuban Army General, the condemned shouted "behold your revolution! Ready, Aim, Fire" and down he went like a military man should, with dignity intact and as a hero who fought the Spanish for Cuban Independence.

When Chu Guevara was captured by Bolivian Rebels and Executed he pleaded with the Execution Party to not kill him. He begged in fact for his life like a coward now on the receiving end!

Says a lot!

[Paphitis]

Political dissidents were executed en masses in Cuba. The preferred method was firing squad.

But before the condemned as shot en paredon, 7 pints of blood were commercially extracted from their body. The condemned was so weak, sometimes not conscious and had to be carried to their executions.

The blood was shipped to Vietnam to help the VC fight against the US and Australia.

And yet Fidel is revered and Trump is loathed!

This is the reason why you have BREXIT, Trump, Marie Le Penn, Golden Dawn, UKIP and One Nation.

I don't blame anyone voting for these guys at all. The thing is, when you insult people's intelligence and forbid them from expressing exactly what is on their minds, then they will flock to the Alt Right! And they will get bigger and stronger.

[Paphitis]

The Left and critics of the USA all too quickly champion human rights and equality. Not that the right doesn't but the Left seem to think it is they who champion these sound values.

Values such as HR for minorities, for gays, same sex couples, minority races and religious plurality.

Well, if you were gay in Castro's Cuba you would be declared subversive to the Revolution and Cuba. That's an appointment at the Paredon (fire squad after they drain 7 pints of blood from your body).

Fidel also smoked cigars! Oh shock horror and think about all the kiddies etc!

Oh dear, but it seems debauchery and hypocrisy is alive and well!

How can anyone of sound mind take the media seriously?

[Lordo]

you are beyond contempt you stupid asshole

[Paphitis]

you are beyond contempt you stupid asshole

I'm quite comfortable with my values and consistency always trying to be measured and to think my stance through objectively.

Question is, are you comfortable as I am? I don't think so. You would be akin to a bushwhacked rusted old tin water tank with so many holes and unable to hold any water whatsoever.

You are inconsistent, don't know exactly what it is you believe in, and very hypocritical and also lacking in credibility!

Nothing that I have said in this thread is not true. And yet, you behave like I used God's name in vain or insulted Mother Teresa. Interesting!

[Paphitis]

Being left or a Socialist is no crime. In the Western World, you can believe and support whatever you like - Left or Right or Green or whatever. You can even be an activist.

But, how can Socialists so unashamedly reveal their stupidity, double standards, and hypocrisy? What gives?

We hear Trump is so bad for the world every day! But wait! He hasn't even been sworn in yet. We hear comparisons with Hitler from those who are against him. Yet, the same individuals send tweets of condolences and RIP for Fidel.

If Trump dies in his sleep, will the same idiots send tweets of condolences and RIP? No, they will be partying like Cubans are in Little Havana. Yeh that's right.

For this reason, I believe we are in the midst of a another revolution! An Alt Right revolution and I'm now buying it. The world needs it!

[Paphitis]

This thesis that Fidel is some kind of revolutionary to be revered is nonsense.

He could have been. It certainly was no crime to have a revolution against the Batista Regime.

So it's not about the revolution. It is about the Nuclear threat against the USA - Armageddon Bay of Pigs Missile Crisis.

It's about no freedom of speech or expression. It's about the 1 million plus Cuban Exiles who had all there property confiscated. It's about all the political incarcerations, 73000 of which were executed.

It's about the executions of homosexuals and lesbians after 7 pints were extracted from their bodies. It's about the poverty, drugs and thriving sex slave industry.

Fidel could have even deserved all the praises if he didn't do all of the above. But no!

[Paphitis]

The argument that the Strong Fidel out lived 8 US Administrations as some kind of victory is another interesting subversion from Fidel admirers.

Well Duh! America is a democratic country! A US Administration can only hold on to power for 4 or 8 years max! They can't hold on to power for 59 years!

Seriously!

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

To answer your OP ...... NO! Just like you an ever growing number are beginning to wake up to the real World.

You are truly and absolutely bloody unbelievable. You are the sort of person that can enter a revolving door behind someone and exit in front. You change allegiances to suit your current philosophy. How many times have you been told the MSM feed you a lot of lies? Amazingly, until now you have always taken what they say as gospel ........ now go look at the alternative sources of information and get a lot nearer the truth.

This article explains what you are trying to but far more credibly. You seem to forget very quickly that, until now these MSM rags have been your primary sources of information. You have always been ‘in step’, according to you alternative news was all Russian propaganda ..... now you change your mind as to the lack of credibility of the very same MSM outlets you supported. Welcome to the real World!

Mainstream Media Blames Russia for “Fake News” While Pushing Neo-McCarthyism

The mainstream media’s post-election hysteria has taken on new level of crazy. It seems that The Washington Post has gone off the deep end this week, claiming that Russia is behind the “fake news” crisis which they claim helped propel an insurgent Donald Trump to victory on Nov 8th, and they are still standing by the official conspiracy theory that Russia has somehow hacked into the US elections. Everything that’s wrong with the establishment media is contained within this incredible story…

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mainstream-media-blames-russia-for-fake-news-while-pushing-neo-mccarthyism/5559136

This is a list of the 200 identified ‘fake news’ sources mentioned in the above article. These are the sites you should be looking at. You still have to apply some common sense to work out which sites are most credible and with the least bias:

https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2016/11/25/liberty-blitzkrieg-included-on-washington-post-highlighted-hit-list-of-russian-propaganda-websites/

Are your stories about Castro, true? Yes, maybe to a degree .... for instance the death toll was put at between 20 and 40 thousand and they were mainly Batista supporters and 500-750 thousand fled to the US Those that escaped Cuba I would say were the same Batista supporters but were lucky. Of course they hated Castro ..... they lost and as a result lost property and businesses. I have little doubt that if you investigated you would find that Trumps family were among those that lost. Now watch them return to claim their property!!!

You conveniently forget the way the US treated those accused of being communist or having communist sympathies under Mac Arthur and the way the US treated slaves, particularly escaped ones and the indigenous tribes .... that attitude still hangs around today. Australia did the same with their indigenous people. Just think back to what the British have been guilty of in their Colonial past .... we are hardly a people that should criticise others.

You forget the millions the US killed and crippled with chemical weapons and cluster bombs, long after Cuba fell to Castro ....but Castro's excesses you are all too keen to exploit. The people of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia still suffer today from the US's fervour for mass killing. You forget Obamas using drones in other countries to kill people the US doesn’t like ..... taking a few thousand men, women and children with them. All this you overlook ....... inconvenient truth maybe ?

Just look at Cuba today. As previously said, Health Care and Education, second to none. Are they poor? Yes, but wouldn’t you be after some 50 years of punitive US sanctions ? Are there some that don’t benefit? Yes I am sure there must be ......... but try taking a look at Israel’s record .... and that is a system you have always admired and their record gets worse by the day.

Most of those that live in Cuba revere Castro, those in Florida don’t! That to me says everything. The same reasoning applies to Syria .... the people would rather have Assad than the head chopping, Islamic Extremist, Sharia bent, terrorists that YOU support. Do you really think when the fighting stops the Syrian people will want them to be included in a new Syria? Do you think the Cuban people will welcome back all the Bastista supporting American Cubans?

[Paphitis]

Actually no, I do not change allegiances at all. Trump is a mere figure, a person, who will now be the next POTUS. My allegiance is to my countries first and foremost and America is their ally. A very important ally.

And yes, The GOP is where my traditional allegiances lie most of the time, not The Democrats. I supported Hillary as an establishment candidate. I am not the only Republican to have supported Hillary. So many establishment Republicans did so too. Even Romney did!

My allegiances transcends all party politics.

And no, I do not get my news stories from MSM. Always have applied critical thinking far more than you who does look at fake news and propaganda sites. I only take official UN Links and Government Agencies, NGOs as gospel not MSM and certainly not propaganda sites such as Sputnik and Geopolitics. I also have a number of very obscure sources too.

Yes, the Fidel thing is just interesting. The reaction is incoherent and usually from the same commentators who hate Trump which brings me much closer to Trump than ever before.

I am an educated man with many interesting experiences in life. If I am willing to support Trump now, in my GOP heartland then imagine the disenfranchised who are now unemployed or who have more reason to do so. We are witnessing an International Phenomenan which I actually like if it actually empowers those who are being silenced by the rest.

Fidel Castro is not a nice dictator. I challenge anyone to live under his brother's rule as opposed to living in the USA.

It doesn't matter what sources you use to come up to the conclusion that Fidel was a ruthless dictator who killed thousands of his own people. There are millions of sources. Take your pick. It's a very fertile ground.

There are also millions of Cubans celebrating his death. There are others who are mourning. I guess it depends on whether you were dispossessed of all your properties or given such a property that was seized from others. As for me, I can't accept stolen goods even if I was poor. I will always be thinking of the legitimate owner and their hard work for nothing.

But I imagine that even among Fidel's supporters, many are hopeful that his death will bring about change for Cuba. Let's face it. It's one of the poorest countries in the world. Which means that the revolution was a failure in my book. You can't sell me that free universal health care and education malarkey when you are working for $1 dollar a day plus rations. Or that somehow he defeated the USA.