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by **Tim Drayton** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:10 am

Martin Rowson's cartoon in support of cartoonist Musa Kart, one of the original Cumhuriyet nine (the number has since increased!):

by **Paphitis** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:57 am

Tim Drayton wrote:Martin Rowson's cartoon in support of cartoonist Musa Kart, one of the original Cumhuriyet nine (the number has since increased!):

Theresa may - has to walk a fine line because of the British Aerospace fighter jet contract.

Australia has to walk a fine line because Trump is taking all of Australia's illegal Immigrants.

Everyone has to walk a fine line these days and no one really has a plan or knows what to do.

You can imagine, that if either say anything about Erdog or Pootin, then its bye bye to the BAE Contract and Bye bye to the illegal immigrant deal and it would probably be done via Twitter in trumps case.

There are also unverified reports from sources masquerading as ROGUE WHITE HOUSE STAFFERS who purport to have leaked that Pootin is actually blackmailing TRUMP. In other words, they purport that Pootin does have some compromising intelligence and that Pence is trying to convince TRUMP that he should be dealing with pootin alone and he and priebus insisted to sit in on the phone conversation.

No one knows if it is REAL or FAKE. But with such intimate knowledge if real, then surely they can work out who the leak is because I can't imagine too many being present on the phone call or it could have been chinese whispered.

This TWITTER thing is getting very dangerous. it's very difficult to work out real from fake now.

we have 3 egos in power now - TRUMP/POOTIN/ERDOGAN (all dodgy as and Dangerous men to various degrees)

add to this IRAN/Saudi Arabia/North Korea/China/Japan

Pakistan is also a powder keg.

And Israel has free reign to do whatever it wants because they officially have the POTUS' full support and endorsement to continue building new settlements. that's unprecedented.

And I am pessimistic.

by **Tim Drayton** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:04 pm

Trust me, I am not so naive as to be unable to understand why the West is, on the one hand, engineering the birth of an Erdoğan dynasty (that will dance to the tune of global capital that has turned Turkey into a major low-cost manufacturing base) and, on the other, was until recently clamouring for the Assad dynasty (that dances to Russia's tune) to go.

by **Paphitis** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:08 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Trust me, I am not so naive as to be unable to understand why the West is, on the one hand, engineering the birth of an Erdoğan dynasty (that will dance to the tune of global capital that has turned Turkey into a major low-cost manufacturing base) and, on the other, was until recently clamouring for the Assad dynasty (that dances to Russia's tune) to go.

There is still a big difference between Turkey and Syria.

for one, Syria is at War. In Turkey we have relative peace and stability for now.

If Turkey crumbles into Civil War like Syria has, then Erdogan spot is also untenable.

There are even worse despots around the world that have our backing. Much worse.

Reason is, we can't afford and are unable to run each country and as long things are good, they are prepared to live with it.

When things go bad, then its reassessed.

Saudi Arabia is a despotic country - but has our backing. Iran is Saudi Arabia's rival, and doesn't have our backing. It's about Oil, and our Oil interests.

by **Tim Drayton** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:09 pm

I don't know, actually. I have come to the conclusion that what might be termed the New World Order was previously out to crush and subjugate Russia but, having failed, they have come to a deal and Putin and the odious oligarchs in his entourage will now be co-opted into the New World Order. This could explain the need for Trump and his image as a new broom that is totally sweeping clean and doing away with the old order. It is a way of covering up the otherwise embarrasing U-turn. (All conspiracy theory stuff, I grant you, but it has the virtue of fitting the observable facts.)

by **Tim Drayton** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:11 pm

Paphitis wrote:There is still a big difference between Turkey and Syria.

There is now. If the constitutional change now set to go to a referendum goes through, though, there will be much less difference.

by **Paphitis** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:13 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I don't know, actually. I have come to the conclusion that what might be termed the New World Order was previously out to crush and subjugate Russia but, having failed, they have come to a deal and Putin and the odious oligarchs in his entourage will now be co-opted into the New World Order. This could explain the need for Trump and his image as a new broom that is totally sweeping clean and doing away with the old order. It is a way of covering up the otherwise embarrasing U-turn. (All conspiracy theory stuff, I grant you, but it has the virtue of fitting the observable facts.)

The new World Order to my understanding is Free Trade and the free movement of Capital and industry as well as labour. All to benefit Corporations with cheap labour and to open big markets up to the corporates.

trump however plans to turn this on its ear.

The considered train of thought is not to "crush" Russia or other rivals like China. the more you get them backed into a corner, the more dangerous they could become.

by **Tim Drayton** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:14 pm

Paphitis wrote:If Turkey crumbles into Civil War like Syria has, then Erdogan spot is also untenable.

In my opinion, that is one thing that is virtually impossible because global capital has so much invested there in manufacturing plant.

by **Paphitis** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:15 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:There is still a big difference between Turkey and Syria.

There is now. If the constitutional change now set to go to a referendum goes through, though, there will be much less difference.

yeh well i don't like it either but if the Turks are so brainwashed to vote for these new executive powers which make erdog more and more Authoritarian, what is it exactly we can do about it?

by **Paphitis** » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:16 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:If Turkey crumbles into Civil War like Syria has, then Erdogan spot is also untenable.

In my opinion, that is one thing that is virtually impossible because global capital has so much invested there in manufacturing plant.

I wouldn't say it is impossible. Turkey is a lot more unstable today than it was before Erdog.

They only just got through a coup which was unexpected and then you got the Kurds and even DAESH.