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[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Oh what a dork!

The video released by the Russians is Infra-red.

It always looks like it's night but it isn't! The fact the released footage is from Russia's night surveillance of the convoy immediately before they bombed it further incriminates the Russians because the Syrians probably don't have night capabilities anymore.

It also detects heat and humans because it picks up temperature changes which is why engines appear very bright.

Yes you are a dork ................

Another revelation from our Forum military analyst and expert ..... and he has got it wrong again!

The video released by the Russians is NOT infrared! That is obvious to anyone who has seen an infra red image ........ the hoods of the terrorists 4WD towing the mortar, is not ‘bright’, neither are the engines of the trucks. You cannot see people because it is NOT picking up IR but ordinary optical images. The cabs of the trucks are PAINTED white, the loaded area is covered with tarpaulins .... and that is what we see.

To show what rubbish you spout ..... you can see the shadows cast by the sun on the ground by the buildings, walls and trees ..... as well as the trucks themselves. By the length of shadow cast it would appear to be around mid/late morning! Are you now going to tell us the shadows were cause by moonlight?

Infra Red sees differences in the amount of radiated of heat ........ not temperature changes!

Can you never get anything right? So once again you see what you think you see and get it all wrong! Watch the video again .............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN2g71ZgQnE

The image I originally referred to is the one taken by The White Helmets where the idiots are watching the vehicles go up in flames from maybe 200m............... and the White Helmets shouting ‘Alahu Akbar’. FYI: These White Helmets are associated with Al-Nusra (or whatever they now call themselves) and seem to always appear within minutes of these events ..... almost as if they knew in advance they were going to happen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdN_siggEn0

Then, immediately after this ‘air strike’ they set up their camera and lights to make their close up of the damage. So they are either extremely dumb knowing the Russians have their target zero’d in or, far more likely, it was the US supported terrorists, that fired the trucks ....... after removing the contents! Note again, no blast damage to the trucks and no pile of smouldering debris in the back of the truck.

You have a propensity for ignoring what you see if it does not fit your story ..... and just run with the story as you see it from your obviously flawed analytical techniques.

The UN Sec. General has accused those that attacked the convoy as ‘cowards’! The UN and most other member countries of the UN, are distancing themselves from the US line that the Russians did it. The only ones blaming Russia are the US, led by Kerry ..... who, once again, claims irrefutable proof and like every other time he has made this claim, he will never present the proof. He has even admitted he lives in a parallel Universe! Is it the same one you live in Paphitis, I have to ponder?

So far the Russians have by far the most plausible explanation of the ‘who done it’ and, unlike the US, present the evidence to prove it. Anyone looking at those pictures and seeing the aftermath of an air strike has to be seriously stupid.

As I suspect you have never been closer to a war zone than the pictures you see on TV ....... FYI: this is what happens when you target a vehicle from the air!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nx-ikJsHgA

[Robin Hood]

UN sees through US propaganda.

UN Removes Charges Against Russia and Syria Regarding Air Strike On Humanitarian Convoy in Syria

After this, the UN has decided to modify the text of the statement. The new wording states that the convoy suffered “as a result of an unknown attack.”

“We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact airstrikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked.” a representative of the UN for Humanitarian Affairs, Jens Laerke, said. According to his words, mention of the air strike in the early edition of the UN document is a result of a drafting error.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-removes-charges-against-russia-and-syria-regarding-air-strike-on-humanitarian-convoy-in-syria/5547163

Oooop's another 'accident' ? Maybe they just got the coordinates wrong 'accidentally' ?

U.S. Coalition Intelligence “Operations Room” Inside Syria, Destroyed by Russian Missile Attack: Thirty Israeli, American, British, Turkish, Saudi, Qatari Intelligence Officials Killed, Report

http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-coalit ... rt/5547099

[repulsewarrior]

...as far as i can see this thread was three days ahead of the news curve; interesting that the news value of this topic (still) beats mainstream/Russian providers, in its currentness, and analysis; cheers.

[Robin Hood]

...as far as i can see this thread was three days ahead of the news curve; interesting that the news value of this topic (still) beats mainstream/Russian providers, in its currentness, and analysis; cheers.

I am not really sure what the point is that you are making.

[Paphitis]

Oh it was a Russian Strike alright.

The Americans have just announced they have evidence it was a Russian Airstrike 100%

[Robin Hood]

Oh it was a Russian Strike alright.

The Americans have just announced they have evidence it was a Russian Airstrike 100%

Yeah .... right ...... but they can't release it because they have to protect US National Security. Don't hold your breath.

[Paphitis]

Well sorry but someone hit the convoy and it wasn't the Coalition biting the aid they provided.

But that is ok. You just wiped out a young girls family.

War crimes all over.

They can release it but not to you or your Geopolitics website. When we have Assad in the Hague we will release to the court the radar images of all the aircraft flying at the time.

If our Wedgetail was flying we will know who was flying and where they came from don't worry about that.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

I gather this is the 100% proof you are referring to?

ttps://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2016/09/22/russian-bomb-remains-recovered-syrian-red-crescent-aid-convoy-attack/

The OFAB 250-270 is a high-explosive, fragmentation, incendiary bomb! Instead of just assuming the report is 100%, try working it out for yourself! You are a sucker for propaganda! Take a good look at the Bellingcat Report and its pictures:

• You are looking at the tail fin only, with flimsy boxes stacked all around it!(later removed for the other photo.... brave man or a fool?)

• In itself the tail fin would have insufficient kinetic energy to punch a hole through reinforced concrete. (You can see the round hole in the photo)

• The same observation if it was an air burst munition (I’m not sure it isn’t) ..... the tail would not be able to penetrate the roof as Bellingcat suggest.

• So it must have been attached to the bit that explodes, fragments and burst into flames .... YES?

• High explosive? ...... and it left cardboard boxes on top of it .... virtually undamaged. Highly improbable I suggest? Those small boxes would suffer more damage in my wife’s handbag!

• I see no sign of a crater, even a little one.

• I see no sign of any fragmentation damage on the walls and ceiling, just a few black smudges.

• I see no signs of blast damage, even the windows are intact and the lorry/trailer, assuming it was there at the time, is undamaged.

• I see no signs of a fire or even scorching.

• So obviously it didn’t go off! ..... Agreed?

• So where is the main body of the bomb? If that had exploded there would be very little left to photograph!

Bellingcat got the info and photos courtesy of the White Helmets and they are neither impartial or reliable as they are affiliated with the terrorists such as Al-Nusra. They are also not the sharpest knives in the drawer!

IMO: I would say this has been staged for especially for the cameras!

Bellingcat has been caught out cooking the books before (Ukraine, MH17, Gouta and others.....) and have proved not to be a reliable source of information when their claims are investigated.

So, I don’t go for it ....... the evidence, once again, does not match the propaganda !

[Paphitis]

No that is no proof.

The proof is what the Americans and Australians have from their AWACS which are flying 24/7. They have all of Syria and Iraq covered.

Not to mention all our drones flying over Aleppo, and Satellites looking and marking all the buildings being destroyed and catelogueing them for future use:

We do this for a number of reasons. First and most important is to protect the coalition from any accusations of War Crimes.

Everything is recorded. All surveillance, communications, every bomb and missile we have released and every target we destroyed is sent to JSOC and to the relevant Government Security Agencies - American, British, French, Jordanian and Australian. We do the same for every Syrian and Russian attack on Aleppo and we even record the buildings destroyed by completely mapping the entire area. We have hundreds of people whose job is just doing that - looking at satellite, drone and AWACS plots.

All of this information is covered under the State Secrets Act. Only the Prime Minister or President of each country can release it and only if the other Coalition members agree to it. There is a minimum penalty of 7 years to up to life imprisonment for any leaks.

For instance, they are not allowed to release any information from the AWACS because these are the most valuable aircraft for the Coalition. They are also the softest target which is why they are heavily guarded and protected.

These aircraft continue to fly in Syrian Airspace and will continue to fly for years to come over Syria and Iraq.


So no, the Coalition does not owe you or anyone an explanation, or release radar pots from Wedgetail aircraft, which will undoubtedly endanger these aircraft and the pilots and OPSOS inside them. It achieves nothing but places our planes in more danger. When we get Assad to The Hague, then we can provide prosecutors with thousands of pages of intelligents to assist with the War Crimes Trial against him.

Nothing flies in Syria without it being watched by the Coalition:

We know exactly where the Russians and Syrians are at all times. But every now and then, for all the technology, our AWACS planes make a mistake and blow the Syrians to smithereens!

oopsies!

[Robin Hood]

No that is no proof.

The proof is what the Americans and Australians have from their AWACS which are flying 24/7. They have all of Syria and Iraq covered.

Not to mention all our drones flying over Aleppo, and Satellites looking and marking all the buildings being destroyed and catelogueing them for future use:

We do this for a number of reasons. First and most important is to protect the coalition from any accusations of War Crimes.

But every time you carry out an operation in Syria ..... you are committing a war crime ..... you are committing an act of unprovoked, armed aggression against a sovereign state ..... which is against International Law ..... and thus a war crime. The fact 'you' consider yourself above the Law is no defence! Nor is " Ooooop's .... sorry about that!"

Everything is recorded. All surveillance, communications, every bomb and missile we have released and every target we destroyed is sent to JSOC and to the relevant Government Security Agencies - American, British, French, Jordanian and Australian. We do the same for every Syrian and Russian attack on Aleppo and we even record the buildings destroyed by completely mapping the entire area.

All of this information is covered under the State Secrets Act. Only the Prime Minister or President of each country can release it and only if the other Coalition members agree to it. There is a minimum penalty of 7 years to up to life imprisonment for any leaks.

For instance, they are not allowed to release any information from the AWACS because these are the most valuable aircraft for the Coalition. They are also the softest target which is why they are heavily guarded and protected.

These aircraft continue to fly in Syrian Airspace and will continue to fly for years to come over Syria and Iraq.


So no, the Coalition does not owe you or anyone an explanation, or release radar pots from Wedgetail aircraft, which will undoubtedly endanger these aircraft and the pilots and OPSOS inside them. It achieves nothing but places our planes in more danger. When we get Assad to The Hague, then we can provide prosecutors with thousands of pages of intelligents to assist with the War Crimes Trial against him.

Nothing flies in Syria without it being watched by the Coalition:

We know exactly where the Russians and Syrians are at all times. But every now and then, for all the technology, our AWACS planes make a mistake and blow the Syrians to smithereens!

oopsies!

I mean, you should know, you appear to be a member of the US/NATO/Australian Intelligence Service ..... and no doubt a senior member a that, maybe Director of Operations ?

So when the evidence is not released ......... we just have to take your word for it? I see, we have to Trust you, because you know what you are talking about!

Gouta, MH17, chlorine and barrel bombs, bombing hospitals and schools, attacks on UN convoys etc? Kerry says on every occasion, within an hour or so of it happening "We have irrefutable evidence" ....... but it never materialises. What you are saying is you can't supply any proof otherwise you would have to nuke us all to keep it secret.

You think the Russians don't have this capability? I would trust Lavrof over Kerry any day ...... now Lavrof IS a diplomat!

You're going to have a problem when you get Assad to the ICC then! Firstly .... the US does not recognise it and when someone is charged with a crime the defence has entitlement to see ALL the evidence the prosecution intends to use before hand. The longer it is between the event and you supplying the evidence the less credibility that evidence has.

That's what I like about the Russians ...... they don't brag or make off-the-cuff claims and accusations ...... they just release the evidence. On every event I noted above the Russians provided evidence within a day or so, as they have with this convoy incident. The evidence from the White Helmets and the SOHR is a complete fraud ..... as I previously explained to you. You think the Prosecutors are not going to see the same holes in this 'evidence' as I have?

Of course its Russia that's behind it ......... because you say so and your sources are impeccable! I mean how more impeccable can you get than this lot ....... and this is where your evidence on the ground comes from the 'White Helmets'..... along with that of the UK based Tee Shirt salesman (Syrian Observatory for Human Rights). Absolutely impeccable, accurate, truthful, honest ..... because you say so!

The REAL Syria Civil Defence Exposes NATO’s ‘White Helmets’ as Terrorist-Linked Imposters

Copyright © Vanessa Beeley, 21st Century Wire, 2016

"I am a director not only of a Syrian Civil Defence Unit, but of brave human beings, volunteers who risk their lives, despite the terrorism that is invading Syria, to maintain security for Syria. I give thanks from my heart for the courage of my men who have lost their comrades in terrorist attacks but they keep working despite the risks. They are true soldiers, their equipment and their spirit are their only weapons" ~ Director of Tartous’ REAL Syria Civil Defence

Did I hear a pin drop? The real Syria Civil Defence? Are the west’s iconized ‘White Helmets’ not the only emergency first-responders inside Syria?

For the REAL Syria Civil Defence you call 113 inside Syria. There is no public number for the White Helmets. Why not? Why does this multi-million dollar US & NATO state-funded first responder ‘NGO,’ with state of the art equipment supplied by the US and the EU via Turkey, have no central number for civilians to call when the “bombs fall”?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-real-syria-civil-defence-exposes-natos-white-helmets-as-terrorist-linked-imposters/5547528

This journalist has been there and talked to the people .... she didn't rely on WH's, SOHR or AWACS ..... she actually eyeballed it! I often wondered why we only ever saw the results of Regime/Russian 'atrocities' but never the result of terrorist attacks on 2 million civilians in the government controlled areas of Aleppo ......... this explains why.