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[miltiades]

No wonder he also believes in ....Santa

[Robin Hood]

No wonder he also believes in ....Santa

Who is the 'he' ?

[Paphitis]

And if it was an Israeli False Flag, they would have set up Hesbollah, Iran, and Hamaz not Afghanistan or Al Qaeda.

9/11 was a very successful operation. It won't be the last one of its kind either.

I have a feeling ISIL will give its final punch soon as an act of desperation and as I said before, it wouldn't surprise me if we see a Chemical Attack.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

These intelligence services were not exactly expecting such an attack and if they were expecting an attack, they would not have been anticipating an attack like that.

And yet within hours they knew everything about these 19 terrorists ....... without them even being on the flight manifest? At the time this was going on ...... NORAD(?) were carrying out military exercises that exactly emulated the events that were taking place in real time? Coincidence that the scenario should be the same as actual events, considering they were not anticipating such an attack?

You call me naive, but you are saying the USA or someone else did this as a False Flag. Why?

I think there is more to it than just being a false flag. There is a commercial aspect to consider as well as Cui Bono financially.

A False Flag could have been done on a far more smaller scale and still achieve the outcomes they would be after if that was to invade someone. Not that the USA does False Flags in this day and age.

Although I discount it as a false flag, the US was looking for another ‘Pearl Harbour’ and again they managed to name the ‘alleged perpetrator’ within an hour ..... it was OBL, which gave them the villain they needed.

Yes for your information, it doesn't take all that much to outsmart the Intelligence Community. You just need to be OFF THE GRID and you can do many things.

But the intelligence services had all this information weeks and even months before 9/11. Most of them were already on the on the grid and on the RADAR!

Issues arise though tracking mechanisms like email, facebook, twitter, VISA, Mastercard, Mobile Phones, tablets and so forth. If you don't exist you don't exist.

I don’t think those methods were as effective as they are now.

Yes a few intelligent "ragheads" (you say that as if they are animals) but they are not actually dumb. Some of them were living in America and had received some Pilot training even. Therefore, their operation was well planned, thought out, over many years, and the people involved new exactly what to do to remain under the radar. They were not some sexually frustrated teenagers.

Some pilot training ......... enough to fly a large passenger jet with the skill of a Top Gun graduate? So being a pilot means a couple of hours in a Cessna 172, at a flying school and you are competent to fly a passenger jet? Not one of them qualified as a pilot! Highly improbable!

You say It was planned over many years? The CIA/FBI already had them on the RADAR but they were too dumb to work it out! Highly improbable or a failure of the system? Maybe instead of killing OBL they should have put him in charge of the CIA?

If they were Muslim fanatics they were sexually frustrated and also animals!

[Robin Hood]

A “conspiracy theory” no longer means an event explained by a conspiracy. Instead, it now means any explanation, or even a fact, that is out of step with the ‘official’ explanation and that of their obedient media.

In other words, as truth becomes uncomfortable for a government and conflicts with its misinformation and half truths, more plausible truth is redefined as a conspiracy theory. By which is meant an absurd and laughable explanation that we should ignore. It is in effect a stock response to awkward questions that is designed to ridicule the message and the messenger.

By this means fiction becomes fact.

Those that propagate the idea of conspiracy theories are fully convinced in their own minds that they have the truth already from a source they are convinced is completely reliable, even when it is obvious that is not the case. They need no evidence as they accept what they are told without question. Therefore, only they are correct in their mind-set so any other explanation obviously has to be false. So to engage them in a discussion is a waste of time because they will not change their minds no matter how sound the evidence or explanation you provide.

[Paphitis]

There is nothing uncomfortable here for the Government.

On the contrary. The US Government appears to be very comfortable with the truth

Oh and the media would have a field day if this was a set piece. There is no media in this world that will not take that gift and run with it until the cows come home. It would be the biggest gift since Watergate. Bloody hell, I don't know a journalist (I know a few) that wouldn't milk this for all its worth and probably get a Pullitzer out of it for the expose.

But of course, we all know what happened and there is nothing out of the ordinary other than the pretty damn audacious attack itself and its scale.

And here is one of the manifests UA93.

[Kikapu]

But the intelligence services had all this information weeks and even months before 9/11. Most of them were already on the on the grid and on the RADAR!

Condoleezza Rice did admit after the fact that they had expected some kind of a "conventional hijackings" by these would be terrorists on 9/11, and that they were being watched, but the terrorists outsmarted the USA government by bringing ONLY box cutters on the plane with them as their means of weapon, which at the time, box cutters were legal to bring aboard, so in effect, there was no reason to deny them boarding at the two airports for the 4 doomed flights. There's no way the US government knew what their main objectives of the hijackers were and allowed for it to happen just to have a reason to go after Saddam eventually in a roundabout way. What for? Surely not for the oil, because the US never got the Iraqi oil, and even if it had, the cost of the two wars in the $trillions$ has been more that what the "free oil" would have been for the next 50+ years.

[B25]

I hear you, so why is the US in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and wherever else in the ME, it's not for fun. It is for bases and resources. The US would not spend this magnitude of money for no good reason. Unless it's to keep her arms companies in business. I wonder how many Senators have shares in these companies????

[Kikapu]

I hear you, so why is the US in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and wherever else in the ME, it's not for fun. It is for bases and resources. The US would not spend this magnitude of money for no good reason. Unless it's to keep her arms companies in business. I wonder how many Senators have shares in these companies????

Many reasons really, so take your pick.

Israel, Palestine, super power flexing it's muscles, retaliation for Americans being targeted, clash of cultures, clash of religion, clash of political ideology, economic influence, military influence, political influence and and and!

[Robin Hood]

I hear you, so why is the US in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and wherever else in the ME, it's not for fun. It is for bases and resources. The US would not spend this magnitude of money for no good reason. Unless it's to keep her arms companies in business. I wonder how many Senators have shares in these companies????

Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria are also about pipeline routes.

If you look at the proposed route for the TAPI pipeline, the portion through Afghanistan is on the same line as all the US bases. When the US realised no matter how much power they had the Taliban would never allow the pipeline, they started their drawdown. Maybe just a coincidence ..... but Iraq and Syria are also key to pipeline routes from the Saudi Peninsular, UAE, Qatar and of course for Israel, to Europe which just happens to be a very big customer for Russia.(another coincidence?)

It is also said that '......the road to Tehran goes through Damascus!'