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[Piratis]

Realpolitik : politics based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations. Realpolitik suggests a pragmatic, no-nonsense view and a disregard for ethical considerations. In diplomacy it is often associated with relentless, though realistic, pursuit of the national interest.

Is "realistic politics" what we need in Cyprus? Realistic means to accept to receive less than what is fair when you are weak, and to take more than what is fair when you are the powerful.

Take for example the leaders of DISY party in Cyprus. When they thought Greek Cypriots could take more, they supported EOKA-B and their crimes. When they understand that now it is not possible to take even what is fair, they suggest that we should take whatever we can now. And of course when/if the balance will change again, they will be the first ones who will again support not only the GCs should take back their fair share, but also the share of TCs if this will be possible (realistic).

So will this Realpolitik with disregard for ethical considerations help Cyprus in the long term?

Or would it be better for all of us to stop the conflict and the circle of blood and base the solution on the universal principles of democracy and human rights without any racist discrimination?

I hope that people will soon realise that "Realpolitik" is something played between opponents. If we are going to have peace and permanent solution we should stop seeing each other as opponents and accept democracy and human rights for everyone as equal Cypriots.

[Rude Gal]

I hope that people will soon realise that "Realpolitik" is something played between opponents. If we are going to have peace and permanent solution we should stop seeing each other as opponents and accept democracy and human rights for everyone as equal Cypriots.

Here here. But what will final solution look like?

Two states is also a form of ensuring equality between the two Cypriot nations. Need a trade-off somewhere. That happens when we understand that 1) both sides have suffered; 2) we can't turn the clock back (too much water under the bridge & all that jazz); 3) we are all pawns in the Cyprus conflict, with the Big Boys happy to see the status quo continue indefinitely (or until it suits them for change); 4) great sacrifice for great rewards.

Having watched the epic and inspirational film Gandhi (again) today, here are some thoughts for 2006:
"One cannot reach Truth by untruthfulness. Truthful conduct alone can reach truth"

"Where there is love, there is life; hatred leads to destruction."

"My love of nationalism is that my country may become free, that if need be the whole of the country die, so that the human race may live."

"A seeker after truth, a follower of the law of Love, cannot hold anything against tomorrow."

Here's hoping 2006 is a journey of Truth and Love for all on this forum, for these are the keys to unlock this sorry sad conflict.

Peace

[Piratis]

Two states is also a form of ensuring equality between the two Cypriot nations

No it is not since that would violate the human rights of 1000s of people. Cyprus has always been a unified area, and Greek Cypriots have inhabited this area as the majority for 3500 years. Any forced artificial partition of the island is a direct violation of our human rights.

If any Turkish Cypriot do not want to live with Greek Cypriots, they have the option to go back where they came from. Violating the human rights of others and performing ethnic cleansing is not an option and it will never be.

[bg_turk]

Any forced artificial partition of the island is a direct violation of our human rights.

Not at all. The roc does not have exclusive copyrights over human rights. The existence of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is not incomaptible with the respect of the rights of internall displaced persons, who can be its citizens and reside on its territories regardless of ethnic origin.

[Piratis]

The pseudo "TRNC" was created by force based on ethnic cleansing and against the will of the residents of Cyprus or even the residents of that northern part of Cyprus. It is an illegal entity forced on us against international law and against our human and democratic rights.

This is why it is an illegal pseudo state and it will remain that way until the day it will be dissolved.

[Rude Gal]

The pseudo "TRNC" was created by force based on ethnic cleansing and against the will of the residents of Cyprus or even the residents of that northern part of Cyprus. It is an illegal entity forced on us against international law and against our human and democratic rights.

This is why it is an illegal pseudo state and it will remain that way until the day it will be dissolved.

The TRNC remains the State that represents the Turkish Cypriot people - given that the Greek Cypriot members of the RoC decided by force of arms and ethnic cleansing between 1963-74 to deprive them of their legal, political, economic and social rights.

I thought it might be interesting for people to see an extract from the ruling of Justice Newman in the recent case against Transport for London. It clearly states a few points that undermines Piratis efforts to demonise and isolate the TRNC.

One of the main arguements TfL put forward was:
“The central point about which all else revolves is the illegality of TRNC”.

The Judge ruled: "I am bound to say that these arguments appear to me to be far-fetched and misconceived. They seek to derive too much from the legal consequences of non-state recognition. International law leaves it to each state, according to its own domestic procedure, to determine the legality and existence of other states. Political entities can be regarded as being states by some states, but not by others. For example, Turkey recognises TRNC as a state. Further, non-recognition of a state in international law does not prevent a de facto administration being in existence. TRNC is the de facto administration in North Cyprus. For many years it has been the practice of HMG to recognise states, not governments or administrations. I am unable to accept that the use of the word “Ministry” amounts to an assertion by TRNC that it has received recognition by the HMG as a state and that it exercises sovereign power in relation to tourism in the north. The use of the word “Ministry” implies no more than that the administration in North Cyprus, which does exist, participates in promoting tourism by an arm of the administration called a Ministry. As a result, I accept that the website represents that TRNC, through a Ministry, exercises a measure of governmental control over tourism in the north. [i]As a matter of fact, it does exercise such control; this is not a misrepresentation. [/i]

Piratis, you may not like it, but the TRNC is a fact of life. It exists, it serves the Turkish Cypriot people, who were thrown out of the joint RoC. I am sad for all refugees, but until there is an opportunity to come together where both people's traditions and rights can be accommodated, the TRNC will not only survive but grow. Just look at GDP in TRNC - went up about $3,000 in last couple of years.

Under the present climate, there is more chance of a 2 state solution than a united one.

You don't believe me about the TRNC? Just look at Israel.

[zan]

The Speech by Makarios Delivered before
the UN Security Council on 19 July 1974


I do not know as yet all the details of the Cyprus crisis caused by the Greek military regime. I am afraid that the number of casualties is large and that the material destruction is heavy. What is, however, our primary concern at present is the ending of the tragedy.


As I have already stated, the events in Cyprus do not constitute an internal matter of the Greeks of Cyprus. The Turks of Cyprus are also affected. The coup of the Greek junta is an invasion, and from its consequences the whole people of Cyprus suffers, both Greeks and Turks. The United Nations has a peace-keeping force stationed in Cyprus. It is not possible for the role of that peace-keeping force to be effective under conditions of a military coup. The Security Council should call upon the military regime of Greece to withdraw from Cyprus the Greek officers serving in the National Guard, and to put an end to its invasion of Cyprus.

[bg_turk]

The pseudo "TRNC" was created by force based on ethnic cleansing and against the will of the residents of Cyprus or even the residents of that northern part of Cyprus. It is an illegal entity forced on us against international law and against our human and democratic rights.

This is why it is an illegal pseudo state and it will remain that way until the day it will be dissolved.

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will not be dissolved any time soon. It is the administration in southern nicosia, an usurper of the title of "Republic of Cyprus", that will have to come to terms with the fact that its jurisdiction goes no further than the green line.
No sane TC would ever accept to live under the jurisdiction of this usurper administration, which keeps on inflicting hardships on TCs, by
continuing to keep them under isolation, refuses to restore their propertiesin the South, tolerates racist assaults against them and prevents them from excercising their most fundamental rights such as VOTING and MARRIAGE. TCs have no choice but to live in the TRNC, which is their only shelter.TCs cannot return to their homes and villages in the South, most of which have been destroyed, and living under isolation is not their own choice, it is inflicted upon them by a government which has the audacity to claim it represents them despite the fact that there is not a single TCs in it, and despite the fact that all its actions are aimed to the detriment of TCs.

[Piratis]

The TRNC remains the State that represents the Turkish Cypriot people - given that the Greek Cypriot members of the RoC decided by force of arms and ethnic cleansing between 1963-74 to deprive them of their legal, political, economic and social rights.

What ethnic cleansing against TCs are you talking about? We never confiscated the homes of TCs claiming them as ours, like you did. By 1968 most TCs had returned to their homes and the conflict was mostly over.
That conflict was not only the fault of GCs, but the fault of TCs as well that were working under the directions of Turkey for partition.

"TRNC" represents only the ethnic cleansing and the human rights violations against GCs.

I thought it might be interesting for people to see an extract from the ruling of Justice Newman in the recent case against Transport for London. It clearly states a few points that undermines Piratis efforts to demonise and isolate the TRNC.

This judge has no jurisdiction over Cyprus. It is a British judge, the ones that supported you along with the Americans to occupy our land. I wouldn't expect anything just from them.

Under the present climate, there is more chance of a 2 state solution than a united one.

2 states will never be the solution. The solution will only come when Cyprus is reunited.

The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will not be dissolved any time soon. It is the administration in southern nicosia, an usurper of the title of "Republic of Cyprus", that will have to come to terms with the fact that its jurisdiction goes no further than the green line.

Thats what the Turkish invaders say.

Read the UN resolution:

The Security Council,



Having considered the report of the Secretary-General, at its 1779th meeting, about the recent developments in Cyprus,



Having heard the statement of the President of the Republic of Cyprus and the statements of the representatives of Cyprus, Turkey, Greece and other Member States,



Having considered at its present meeting further developments in the island,

Deeply deploring the outbreak of violence and the continuing bloodshed,



Gravely concerned about the situation which has led to a serious threat to international peace and security, and which has created a most explosive situation in the whole Eastern Mediterranean area,



Equally concerned about the necessity to restore the constitutional structure of the Republic of Cyprus, established and guaranteed by international agreements,



Recalling its resolution 186 (1964) of 4 March 1964 and its subsequent resolutions on this matter,



Conscious of its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security in accordance with Article 24 of the Charter of the United Nations,



1. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus.



2. Calls upon all parties to the present fighting as a first step to cease all firing and requests all States to exercise the utmost restraint and to refrain from any action which might further aggravate the situation;



3. Demands an immediate end to foreign military intervention in the Republic of Cyprus that is in contravention of the provisions of paragraph 1 above;


4. Requests the withdrawal without delay from the Republic of Cyprus of foreign military personnel present otherwise than under the authority of international agreements, including those whose withdrawal was requested by the President of the Republic of Cyprus, Archbishop Makarios, in his letter of 2 July 1974;



5. Calls upon Greece, Turkey and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to enter into negotiations without delay for the restoration of peace in the area and constitutional government of Cyprus and to keep the Secretary-General informed;



6. Calls upon all parties to co-operate fully with the United Nations Peace-keeping Force in Cyprus to enable it to carry out its mandate;



7. Decides to keep the situation under constant review and asks the Secretary-General to report as appropriate with a view to adopting further measures in order to ensure that peaceful conditions are restored as soon as possible.

No sane TC would ever accept to live under the jurisdiction of this usurper administration, which keeps on inflicting hardships on TCs

TCs choose to be our enemies and they reject all our calls for return to legality and respect of the human rights of everybody. The think that they have only rights and no responsibilities towards RoC. On one hand they act on a treasonous criminal way seeking the destruction of RoC and at the same time they expect to have rights from the state they do not recognize and they fights against.

If TCs want their rights in RoC the only thing they have to do is to accept legality. So everybody will have their rights. As I said in another thread, if TCs treat us like their enemies by violating our basic human rights, they can not expect from us to treat them with love.

RoC has been extremely lenient to TCs. It offers to them free health care even if they pay no taxes for it (right without responsibility) and it offers to them most of their rights without asking anything in return. Instead of appreciation they complain on top of that!!

[Piratis]

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