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[Get Real!]

no rw we as humans have a common ancestor with apes we refer to as the missing link.

Oh you've got a missing link alright...

[Lordo]

"you"? Lordo, surely you mean "us".

@ mistermax, "with science, evidence and logic we can explore and tame universe, as we did with earth", full of yourself, aren't you, it seems; just take a look around you, what "science" without a conscience brings.

no rw we as humans have a common ancestor with apes we refer to as the missing link. gr are on the other hand descends from the apes. so does kurupetos for that matter.

So, you dispute your ancestor was an ape?

dear lady you confusing me with gr

[Lordo]

no rw we as humans have a common ancestor with apes we refer to as the missing link.

Oh you've got a missing link alright...

and you have just found kurupetos he is the missing link

[Get Real!]

Albert Einstein quotes:

“In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views.”

"All this harmony (in the universe) could not have come into being without a supreme orchestrator"

“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.”

“Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.”

So there you have it. You wanted to hear it from science and this man is the most respected in Earthly science.

He was not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination but was wise enough to show humility before a great power.

[Lordo]

Albert Einstein quotes:

“In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views.”

"All this harmony (in the universe) could not have come into being without a supreme orchestrator"

“I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.”

“Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.”

did you see these too

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it

You believe in a God who plays dice, and I in complete law and order in a world which objectively exists, and which I in a wildly speculative way, am trying to capture. I firmly believe, but I hope that someone will discover a more realistic way, or rather a more tangible basis than it has been my lot to find. Even the great initial success of the quantum theory does not make me believe in the fundamental dice game, although I am well aware that some of our younger colleagues interpret this as a consequence of senility

you stupid boy.

[Get Real!]

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it

A “personal God” is what religions are pushing. A God that takes a personal interest in each and every person and is accessible to change personal fate through prayer etc.

You believe in a God who plays dice, and I in complete law and order in a world which objectively exists, and which I in a wildly speculative way, am trying to capture. I firmly believe, but I hope that someone will discover a more realistic way, or rather a more tangible basis than it has been my lot to find. Even the great initial success of the quantum theory does not make me believe in the fundamental dice game, although I am well aware that some of our younger colleagues interpret this as a consequence of senility
you stupid boy.

A God who plays dice is once again the "personal God" who takes an interest in and can influence people's fate.

Albert clearly believed in a God being responsible for the cosmos but did not believe in the Church’s interpretation of God as he didn’t believe in an afterlife.

Scientifically it's called Pantheism.

[Lordo]

he clearly does not believe in any god, he believes in science and what it can prove but realises that we are on an age of discovery and others will find what he could not. remember this was in the 50swith no space travel as yet. nowhere does he say he believes in any god. and nowhere does he say earth is special in any way. certainly the universe is vast but nowhere does he say god created man or earth in 6 days and stone those who do not rest on the seventh. fancy that he predicted black holes before they were discovered.

[Get Real!]

he clearly does not believe in any god, he believes in science and what it can prove but realises that we are on an age of discovery and others will find what he could not. remember this was in the 50swith no space travel as yet. nowhere does he say he believes in any god. and nowhere does he say earth is special in any way. certainly the universe is vast but nowhere does he say god created man or earth in 6 days and stone those who do not rest on the seventh. fancy that he predicted black holes before they were discovered.

I made it pretty clear that he wasn't religious. You're not reading.

[Get Real!]

Anyway,

I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle between Pantheism and Theism because Albert’s stance was too dry while the Church’s stance is too wet, if you can understand my metaphors…

The reason I believe Albert was wrong is because if God didn’t have any special intentions for Man then he wouldn’t have made Man so unique and superior to all other living beings.

The difference in intelligence and thus potential, between Man and the next most intelligent creature is massive and that cannot be by accident!

All other creatures on this planet seem to be pre-programmed (“hard-coded” or “hard-wired”) for a fixed set of behaviors with a very limited capacity to learn anything outside of its basic needs.

Man on the other hand is a true LEARNING MACHINE that can store information, record information, arrange and sort information, retrieve information, and use its stored knowledge base to build further knowledge!

Not even the most advanced computer can come anywhere near Man’s abilities for we have repeatedly tried and failed to simulate the human brain.

Albert seems to have overlooked one of God’s greatest additions to the universe… Man; that complex learning machine that has the capacity to contemplate the universe and the creator himself.

[miltiades]

The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today. It is time for us to recognize this simple fact.