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[miltiades]

God loves slavery

If the Bible is written by God, and these are the words of the Lord, then you can come to only one possible conclusion: God is an impressive advocate of slavery and is fully supportive of the concept.

As you can see, these slavery passages present us with an immense contradiction:

On the one hand, we all know that slavery is an outrage and a moral abomination. As a result, slavery is now completely illegal throughout the developed world.
On the other hand, most Christians claim that the Bible came from God. In God's Word, the "creator of the universe" states that slavery is perfectly acceptable. Beating your slaves is fine. Enslaving children is fine. Separating slave families is fine. According to the Bible, we should all be practicing slavery today.
The intensity of this contradiction is remarkable. It shows us quite clearly that God is imaginary.

[Get Real!]

God loves slavery

If the Bible is written by God, and these are the words of the Lord, then you can come to only one possible conclusion: God is an impressive advocate of slavery and is fully supportive of the concept.

As you can see, these slavery passages present us with an immense contradiction:

On the one hand, we all know that slavery is an outrage and a moral abomination. As a result, slavery is now completely illegal throughout the developed world.
On the other hand, most Christians claim that the Bible came from God. In God's Word, the "creator of the universe" states that slavery is perfectly acceptable. Beating your slaves is fine. Enslaving children is fine. Separating slave families is fine. According to the Bible, we should all be practicing slavery today.
The intensity of this contradiction is remarkable. It shows us quite clearly that God is imaginary.

It just proves that a uneducated fool is in no position to open a bible and make any sense out of it.

The bible is dangerous in your hands because you are prone to misinterpretation because you don’t have the prerequisite background knowledge to understand it just as ISIS is doing with the Quran and wreaking havoc in the ME.

Like I mentioned to the other guy, you need a supplementary bible guide so as not to fall into the myriad of pitfalls.

Pitfall example #1… “And in the first day God created the…. ”

Problem: 1 day <> 24 hours <-- You screwed up already from the very first page

Pitfall example #2… “And of this animal you shall not eat…”

Problem: The specific command may not necessarily be directed at you in this day and age, but it is a quote of what God said to a specific person at a specific point in time and for a specific reason.

And like the above, there are THOUSANDS of pitfalls in the bible unfortunately.

[miltiades]

I begun reading the bible at the age of seven whilst in the Limassol orphanage.
Years later I began to question the " validity" of this so called holy book. Believe what you want to believe, it is your prerogative just as it is mine. Have you studied Exodus ? Could this creator have been so cruel, so blood thirsty? Ask your self . Could God condone slavery and murder, again ask your self !! While you are it perhaps you can enlighten us as to the means used by the godsend angels to kill the first Egyptian born child.

Did they slit their throats, or perhaps strangulate them. You are but a novice in your knowledge of the bible.

Are you aware of this ? : If you look in the Bible, there are an amazing number of people that God wants his followers to murder. For example, in Exodus 35:2 God lays down this commandment:

For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."

[miltiades]

How about this endorsement, a holy one, of slavery :

When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her masters and he shall go out alone. But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person’, then his master shall bring him before God. He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.

Another classic:
When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property. [Exodus, chapter 21]

[Get Real!]

Forget it Milti you’re wasting your time. You’re just gonna have to accept that some things in life are above and beyond you and the bible is certainly one of them so quit sulking!

There’s a good reason why you were selling pots & pans in your working life, but were not an engineer, were not a scientist of any kind, or engaged in any other complex and involved profession.

You simply understood the basic principle of…

“I give you this pot and you give me this amount”

…and that made perfect sense to you but had someone asked something like…

“What should we add to the aluminium base and in what quantities, so as to improve heat dissipation and transfer?”

Well, you would’ve started playing with your lips and gone "ga ga goo goo"!

[Atheist]

So Get Real do you admit that what is contained in the Bible are fairytales? Or do you take as facts things like what I quoted earlier from Genesis?

Whatever gave you that idea?

But you can’t just dive into the bible and expect to make much sense out of it any more than a first timer can dive into a swimming pool and look like Michael Phelps.

There are certain prerequisites needed before confronting bible scripture and you don’t seem to have them.

I don’t want to get into that right now because it’s too soon for you and the correct steps for tackling Godly matters are:

1. Acknowledgement of the existence of God once satisfied with evidence.

2. Optionally, follow a religion so as to establish some sort of relationship with God or go your own way as I do.

But, you can’t jump to step 2 unless you’ve satisfied the first! It is pointless in attempting to read holy books if you’re still unclear about the existence of God.

You will never take holy books seriously and will just behave exactly how you have been behaving on this forum… basically silly and a complete waste of time.

Some people have a genuine thirst for enlightenment and some just want to come across clever with cheap sophistry in the hope that they’ll earn some kind of cheap “respect” from others.

It seems that you are out of your comfort zone when it comes to defending what is written in the Bible.
So decide if you can defend the bible as a source of true facts coming from God, or if we are going to agree that what is contained there is merely "Man’s religions and fallacies"

You are in no position to challenge anything in the bible right now I can assure you, so don’t waste your time trying.

You’ll just keep falling into blunders and errors and I’ll just be making short work of your shortcomings. But I don't want this path.

I see you are unable to answer. I didn't expect you to be able. You basically have no convincing argument. You admitted as much when you wrote: "It is pointless in attempting to read holy books if you’re still unclear about the existence of God." So one has to first accept the existence of God blindly and then once he is already brainwashed you can sell to him whatever crap you want

I've already challenged the very first part of your bible. It starts with utter nonsense. And it is not just about referring to "days" but a lot of other things, e.g. the stars being created after the earth (and even the plants on earth) have been created. You have no good defense for that fairy tale. Armed with just a few 1000s years of advancement in science I could write a way better religious fairytale than your bible. If Bible was the word of "God" then it would have been so perfectly correct in everything that nobody would ever be able to prove anything false in it.

[miltiades]

Forget it Milti you’re wasting your time. You’re just gonna have to accept that some things in life are above and beyond you and the bible is certainly one of them so quit sulking!

There’s a good reason why you were selling pots & pans in your working life, but were not an engineer, were not a scientist of any kind, or engaged in any other complex and involved profession.

You simply understood the basic principle of…

“I give you this pot and you give me this amount”

…and that made perfect sense to you but had someone asked something like…

“What should we add to the aluminium base and in what quantities, so as to improve heat dissipation and transfer?”

Well, you would’ve started playing with your lips and gone "ga ga goo goo"!

As per usual, you are full of shit. Firstly pots and pants is not what I sell you idiot. Secondly Im a qualified ACCA. Thirdly, I have been around the block a few more times than you. Forthly I studied the bible not out of choice but out of having to. I reject the mythology, man made, of a creator, this in it self is indicative of my IQ as against your own. Answer or justify passages from the bible you idiot, dont just come up with your usual shit.

[Get Real!]

I see you are unable to answer. I didn't expect you to be able.

What's the question?

So one has to first accept the existence of God blindly and then once he is already brainwashed you can sell to him whatever crap you want

That's not what I said... here's what I said:

1. Acknowledgement of the existence of God once satisfied with evidence.

I've already challenged the very first part of your bible. It starts with utter nonsense.

Forget scripture... you don't understand it anymore than you or I understand a paragraph of Turkish.

If Bible was the word of "God" then it would have been so perfectly correct in everything that nobody would ever be able to prove anything false in it.

Correct about what? The bible is not a technical manual that is subject to corrections!

In a nutshell the bible simply delivers the following message...

"Cut the crap and change your ways to receive a great incentive or you'll pay 100 fold later"

Essentially it's a promise and a warning from the master of the universe.

[Get Real!]

Answer or justify passages from the bible you idiot, dont just come up with your usual shit.

We’re not gonna play that stupid game where you extract a piece which you don’t even understand and out of context, and then post your stupid comments about it!

Any 12 year old can do that so sorry… it’s not gonna happen.

[Atheist]

What's the question?

Can you defend what I quoted from Genesis?

That's not what I said

You said: "It is pointless in attempting to read holy books if you’re still unclear about the existence of God." If you want to retract that statement just say so.

Forget scripture... you don't understand it anymore than you or I understand a paragraph of Turkish.

It is written in many languages, including Greek and English which we both understand. If by "not understand" you mean that I don't know of the stupid excuses that the Church gives of the kind "when X is written, it means Y", I assure you that I know of them as well, and they are even more ridiculous than Bible itself. Using those methods I can write "Fuck you Get Real" and then say that what I wrote truly means "Get Real, my good friend how are you doing this lovely day"

Correct about what? The bible is not a technical manual that is subject to corrections!

It is not a technical manual, its a fairytale.

In a nutshell the bible simply delivers the following message...

"Cut the crap and change your ways to receive a great incentive or you'll pay 100 fold later"

Essentially it's a promise and a warning from the master of the universe.

A promise and a warning by those who created and administer the religion. A way to keep under control the stupid masses while those at the helm declare themselves as Saints and other forms of "mini Gods" and reap the benefits.