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[Atheist]

Here’s your homework for today:

Investigate how it was possible for bible authors to have known that the universe is everlasting 2000+ years ago.

Aristotle proposed that theory long before any bible authors (and doesn't the bible say that it was created out of nothing by God in 6 days?). And it just a theory, not something proven. You don't need to be a God to come up with theories about the universe. Many people have done this.

Your bible authors are minnows when compared to the greatest ancient Greek philosophers. Ancient Greeks were no Gods either, and they got several things wrong, but the level of science and philosophy they produced is amazing. Can't say the same for your bible authors.

I asked you to go research some basic things about the bible like...

2. How long did it take for the bible to be completed?

Had you done that you would've found that the book of Genesis was written at around 1450BC and the last book of Revelation at round 90AD.

Putting the bible together spanned 1500 odd years… a tremendous unimaginable collaboration; impossible even with today’s technology of computers, video conferencing, and email!

Anyway, Aristotle lived during… 384–322BC so if he indeed mentioned an everlasting universe then he most likely pinched it from the bible.

The moral of this gaffe is that a person that doesn’t research/study CANNOT participate in debates without looking like a fool so I hope you use this embarrassment as an eye opener.

Where is Aristotle's theory mentioned in the Bible? The Genesis?? Lets laugh a bit:

1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

So Earth was "created" before light!

4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Such an obvious fairytale created by earth living creatures. Separating light from the darkness to make day and night?

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.”
7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so.
8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

and then a bit later:

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,
15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so.
16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars.
17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth,
18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

So God created the stars after he had created earth, light and even plants (lines 11 & 12) as a mere background for the earth!

If in the 21st century you take as undisputed facts what was written in a fairytale by primitive people then you are very very stupid.

How stupid can you really be not to realize that those things are not facts coming from some "God" but the words of human beings writing a fairy tale with whatever little knowledge was available to them at the time.

[miltiades]

The origin of the Earth

4.6 billion years ago

3.8 billion years ago First life arises
2.1 billion years ago Eukaryotes evolved
1.1 billion years ago First sexually reproducing organisms
570 million years ago First arthropods evolve

Truly astounded that life appeared on earth 3.8 billion years ago, where ...sex begun 1.1 billion years ago!!!

I wonder why it took billions of years for the all mighty to make an appearance, I also wonder what fresh god/s will be revealed in a million years from now !!

What are you doing there you twit?

You’ve mixed and matched evolution theories with creation!

Next you will be telling us that Jesus' mother gave birth to the ...son of God in spite of the fact that she was a ....virgin!!
By the way, do you believe in Father Christmas ? I do

You see., your blasphemy knows no bounds YET, even the so called 'Savages' you so despise would not utter the filth that you do, a clear testament that even the very worst among them are far superior in terms of respect than you are.

Such utterances are probably the result of your long association with 'Infidels' and YOU have become one of them.

Doubtless you consider yourself to be a spokesman for the few knuckleheads (an American expression to make you feel at home) that are of similar persuasion to yourself (sans the filth) and YOU become emboldened as soon as you sense the similarities.

You are not worthy of the name 'Mustapha Kwiktug' BUT, having nominated you, I am powerless to withdraw it, it is YOURS for all time in accordance with the 'Holy Law' and there is nothing we can do to alter it.

I now charge you that you have made me feel great sorrow for my mistake and I must offer my supplications to 'The Almighty' in the hope that this error will not be held to my detriment when I come to glory.

I will STILL pray for you since I am by far a more worthy person than an 'Infidel' and it is my duty to fulfill such obligations.

In other words you are a ...fucking idiot!!

[miltiades]

EXODUS:

" 26 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand over the sea, that the waters may come back upon the Egyptians, on their chariots, and on their horsemen.” 27 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and when the morning appeared, the sea returned to its full depth, while the Egyptians were fleeing into it. So the Lord overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea. 28 Then the waters returned and covered the chariots, the horsemen, and all the army of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them. Not so much as one of them remained. 29 But the children of Israel had walked on dry land in the midst of the sea, and the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left."

How on earth can anyone in this world with just a smidgen of logic possibly believe that the Lord who created man to his own image as well as the entire universe would select one people as his favourite ones, how on earth can anyone accept that the LORD would " harden the heart of Pharaoh and make him change his mind on letting the Israelis go " then commit such a gruesome act by drowning the poor bastards !! " NOT SO MUCH AS ONE OF THEM REMAINED"

Yet there are millions of people, well educated, some not, some clever some not who adhere to this stone age mythology , Why ?
Out of fear, fear of death, fear the unknown. Lets take the religious ...Lord GR, GO AND FUCK YOUR DEAD MOTHERS CORPSE HE TOLD ME !!! Some religious psycho

This, the tenth plague is even more absurd:
The Tenth Plague: Death of Firstborn
28Then the sons of Israel went and did so; just as the LORD had commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did. 29Now it came about at midnight that the LORD struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of cattle. "

All this killing of innocent mostly children, yet all this could have been avoided, since the LORD created all life on earth he also must have created the Pharaoh, would it not have been more ...godly to make this man change his mind and let ....his people go!! Oh No, the LORD had to murder, turn rivers into blood , cover lands with locusts and drown the poor bastards who, on orders presumably, chased the Israelis.
May your god be with you, my go is always with me, even now as I type, ...cheers

[Atheist]

Miltiades, this fairytale was written by Jews, so it is no surprise that they imagined of a "God" that not only placed earth in the center of the universe, but also made the Jews his chosen people. Just like the Greek Gods were concerned with what was happening to the Greeks, and would come to earth and get involved in the affairs of the Greeks, similarly the Jewish God was concerned with whatever was happening to the Jews and he didn't care about other people in other parts of the world, let alone the rest of the universe which was also apparently created so that humans would have little lights in the sky at night!

[kurupetos]

Where's Max? You are a failure, Andros.

Ask Paphitis to teach you how you can post simultaneously from two accounts...

[Atheist]

Where's Max? You are a failure, Andros.

Ask Paphitis to teach you how you can post simultaneously from two accounts...

You are again wrong kurupetos. This is what happens when you believe things that you have no evidence for. You end up believing the wrong things.

Lets put it this way: If I am Andros or Max then there is a God

[Get Real!]

Where is Aristotle's theory mentioned in the Bible? The Genesis?? Lets laugh a bit:

You're in a hurry to quote scripture but I had no plans to take you in that direction. You gotta learn to crawl before you walk…

My plan is to take you out of your “comfort zone” where you seem stuck forever concentrating on Man’s religions and fallacies, but we don’t need any of that to investigate God.

It’s a very common but foolish mistake to use Man’s woes so as to reject God but of course he is not responsible for our mistakes and shortcomings.


Back to the subject of investigating God…
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The earliest humans; who only had to worry about where to get their next meal and probably had an average IQ of about 50, were naturally fearful of God!

This biological fear ultimately led to paganism which in turn led to a variety of religions.

Now, how is it possible that caveman was fearful of something he knew absolutely nothing about?

Caveman was fearful of God from the very onset but where did this celestial knowledge come from?

How come goats, sheep, horses, and bison were never fearful of God and just couldn’t care less?

What exactly is that special something that differentiates Man from animals that makes Man fearful of God?

There is clearly something special built into Man’s biology that differentiates him from animals and makes him curious/fearful and generally sensitive about God or a higher power if you prefer.

[Atheist]

So Get Real do you admit that what is contained in the Bible are fairytales? Or do you take as facts things like what I quoted earlier from Genesis? It seems that you are out of your comfort zone when it comes to defending what is written in the Bible.

So decide if you can defend the bible as a source of true facts coming from God, or if we are going to agree that what is contained there is merely "Man’s religions and fallacies"

The earliest humans; who only had to worry about where to get their next meal and probably had an average IQ of about 50, were naturally fearful of God!

This biological fear ultimately led to paganism which in turn led to a variety of religions.

Now, how is it possible that caveman was fearful of something he knew absolutely nothing about?

Caveman was fearful of God from the very onset but where did this celestial knowledge come from?

How come goats, sheep, horses, and bison were never fearful of God and just couldn’t care less?

What exactly is that special something that differentiates Man from animals that makes Man fearful of God?

There is clearly something special built into Man’s biology that differentiates him from animals and makes him curious/fearful and generally sensitive about God or a higher power if you prefer.

People are not naturally fearful of God. People are naturally fearful of death and the unknown. Gods are a human creation to fill in the gabs of their knowledge with fairytales. Gods sometimes are also used by those who are in power to control the masses - you have to do what the "God" says (i.e. what those in power say) or else something bad will happen to you.

Belief in Gods is not the only superstition that some people have. People also believe in things like astrology or magic.

[miltiades]

I love this bid:
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife. And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out without debt, without payment of money."

[Get Real!]

So Get Real do you admit that what is contained in the Bible are fairytales? Or do you take as facts things like what I quoted earlier from Genesis?

Whatever gave you that idea?

But you can’t just dive into the bible and expect to make much sense out of it any more than a first timer can dive into a swimming pool and look like Michael Phelps.

There are certain prerequisites needed before confronting bible scripture and you don’t seem to have them.

I don’t want to get into that right now because it’s too soon for you and the correct steps for tackling Godly matters are:

1. Acknowledgement of the existence of God once satisfied with evidence.

2. Optionally, follow a religion so as to establish some sort of relationship with God or go your own way as I do.

But, you can’t jump to step 2 unless you’ve satisfied the first! It is pointless in attempting to read holy books if you’re still unclear about the existence of God.

You will never take holy books seriously and will just behave exactly how you have been behaving on this forum… basically silly and a complete waste of time.

Some people have a genuine thirst for enlightenment and some just want to come across clever with cheap sophistry in the hope that they’ll earn some kind of cheap “respect” from others.

It seems that you are out of your comfort zone when it comes to defending what is written in the Bible.
So decide if you can defend the bible as a source of true facts coming from God, or if we are going to agree that what is contained there is merely "Man’s religions and fallacies"

You are in no position to challenge anything in the bible right now I can assure you, so don’t waste your time trying.

You’ll just keep falling into blunders and errors and I’ll just be making short work of your shortcomings. But I don't want this path.