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[MicAtCyp]

Personally I don't see why a person with a university level education should not receive 2.500 pounds as a salary at the end of his/her career.

Because my friend Piratis it is not upto you or me or the Government to decide, it is upto the free market to set the price.Do you know many University graduates in the private sector getting that money as employees at the end of their carreers?

Well I know a lot of them working in the private sector getting half of it and although excell in their job get fired at their 50s as soon as their salary reaches juuust a bit more than 1200 pounds and be replaced by younger ones with half the salary.And I know too many University graduates working for peanuts to survive...All of them of course in the private sector.

I know a lot more in the construction industry very skilled workers (OK no university degree) not making it until the end of their careers because they can not do such a hard work after their 55th.And they don't even get a pension because they have to wait another 10 years until their 65th. Not to mention how much money a skilled technician gets at the constructions in this age.

In general yes a Government employee at the end of his career gets more than double than any other with equal qualifications in the private sector.*
Furthermore do you know that there are many Government pensioners getting double and triple pensions?

Why? Is this justice? What did/do they offer more to society than the rest of the people?

Where else in the world a Government employee gets double the money he would get if he worked in the private sector?

And whose pockets are those money coming from?

You may ask how does this relate to the Cyprus problem? It relates! First because the Cyprus problem is what keeps people from revolting against this fascist machine called "government" and the public sector in general which is full of monopolies.Second because the payrol of the government got so huge that leaves nothing of our tax money for development. It's 10 years now they are trying to build the Nicosia hospital (initial cost 70 million), yet the government budget goes deficit 700 million every year. And you tell me we are going to solve the Cyprus problem and build houses to all those thousands and even undertake the payroll of the northern part and of the common state without declaring bankaptcy? Others said this would cost 3 billion (=3000 million), Vasiliou said it would cost 6 billion others said 16 billion....The donnor conference would be happy to end up to just 1B dollars (=half B pounds!).Where would we find the rest? Isn’t this one of the reasons people voted OXI?

You hear that TC compatriots? This is for all of you who are not public servants. Wake up and smell the coffee. You think you are going to escape from the missery of Denktash? New surprises are waiting for you. Public employees Vs the Slaves. Come and live in a society whose cost of living is disproportionately drugged up high by the public servants (30% of the population) getting double the normal salaries, and then try to survive by working in the free market.... In Nicosia the situation is dramatic.Almost 50% of the people are public employees!!!!

PS.A few months ago I went to the hospital to get drugs for my late father in law who was dying from cancer.I paid the bill regularly.Next to me a police man. Got exactly the same drugs.NO PAY, it's free for public servants!!! WHY? I almost shit everybody there from my anger. Are they the rulers and the rest of us the slaves? You want to know their reaction?"Afka pa’ ston toiho" (eggs thrown on the wall)-nothing is enough to touch them.

*2 reasons for this.First because after 74 the salaries in the public sector did not adjust to reflect the new economic realities and second because of the notorious program of idiot Kyprianou for reorganisation-redeployement which eventually lead to nothing other than salatry increases in the public sector.The result is what we have today.

[Piratis]

ok, I got you now and I see your point. But could this be a problem with the private sector as well? I mean the difference in salaries might not be only because the public sector pays too much but because the private sector pays too little? (this is just a question, I didn't study this to have an opinion)

A few months ago I went to the hospital to get drugs for my late father in law who was dying from cancer.I paid the bill regularly.

Thats very strange. My father had a form of cancer too and he is not a government employee either. He was treated in the Oncology center of Bank of Cyprus, and later at the Makario Hospital for free. Medicines were also free. This is because no cancer patient pays. I've seen several Turkish Cypriots at the oncology center and the hospital and I believe they were treated for free as well.
All you need to do is to get a card from the ministry of health that you are a cancer patient.

[Bananiot]

I thought this topic had a light touch and was about to congratulate Piratis for his choice but empathy has turned it into a very nasty topic. I felt like committing suicide after being described as a rare parasite on society by the one riding the high grounds of morality. Then I realised that what I earn is far off the 2 500 pounds per month suggested by empathy and my relief could not be described. Thank god, I said to myself, but then I realised that 400 pounds, without fail, go the tax person's pocket every month and another 200 or so for social security, defence etc, on top of the 500 for various loans. I thought that paradise's door may still be open to me but any further increase may put pay to this noble aspiration of mine. However, Papadopoulos has put his foot down. No increases he said. The fact that he is a multi millionnaire does not make an iota's difference.

[MicAtCyp]

However, Papadopoulos has put his foot down. No increases he said. The fact that he is a multi millionnaire does not make an iota's difference.

Didn’t you hear the news tonight Bananiot? 2% salary increases over and above you standard salary increases, over and above the Cost of Living increases, over and above your scale promotion increases over and above everything!! Whew! What a justice for the Handsome Cypriots! Even Papadopoulos realised he can do nothing over a thread to paralyse him the state. What could he do if you go on strike? Get services from another Government? Or send all the children to Greece for their education?**

But could this be a problem with the private sector as well? I mean the difference in salaries might not be only because the public sector pays too much but because the private sector pays too little? (this is just a question, I didn't study this to have an opinion)

Frankly speaking no! The private sector in fact struggles to keep it's employees from fleeding to government jobs.I know exactly what the private sector makes per employee, and if you tell me the size of the company,it's nature, and the number of employees I can approximately tell you how much profit it makes per year, and not be far out.(assuming of course it's not bankrupt-and you wont beleive how many shining bussinesses are in the free market which are completely bankrupt).
One question we should ask is how on earth only in Cyprus the private sector manages to pay so little compared to the public sector? Are the Cypriot bussinessmen really so skillful?
No,no, no, the reasons are only 3.Non, adjustment of salaries in 74, Kyprianous farse, and government monopolies.

Just for information I ‘ve personally been trhough all sectors of earning my living and while I don't want to claim I know everything, I think I can at least feel strongly about this injustice.

PS.** By the way it's one week now the schools opened.My son is on 3rd Lyceum grade.Presumable they should have 7 teaching periods a day.Hear this:
First day 3 teaching periods 2 of the teachers who entered the class will not even be his teachers in the end.Second day 4, third day 5, fourth day 5, six day five. Almost 30% of the teachers are missing. Yet they get paid! And you tell me the schools -and the public sector in general- is not full of drones? OK you may not be one, but at least admit it that this is the situation.

[MicAtCyp]

And Bananiot please don't mess with me as far as numbers are concerned.200 pounds for social insurance and other deductions, plus 400 (!) pounds income tax means your salary is even higher than what I mentioned. One can calculate it very easy!

And heres another injustice:
By law the social insurance payable is 12.6% of the salary
Private sector:6.3% paid by the employee, 6.3% by the employer, i.e each party pays 50-50.A person getting 1000 pounds pays 63 pounds for social insurance and his employer another 63.

In the government the employee pays 1/3 of the total required i.e 4.2% of his salary, and the employer - i.e the government, i.e from money coming from the slaves the remaining 2/3- i.e 8.4%. A government employee getting 1000 pounds pays 42 pounds social insurance and his employer i.e the state, i.e from the pocket of the slaves pays the remaining 84!!!!

What a banana republic indeed....

PS Unfortunately this thread got personal when some people with huge salaries came in advertising themselves as prolerarians, and I couldn’t help replying. This is my last post concerning the matter.

[PEACE]

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[brother]

Lets round this off it not his fault that is the going rate of pay but its upto the goverment to bring salaries in line.