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[zan]

The land was not greek, it was inhabiited by makedons, whose greek origins are still disputable. Makedons chose to give it the name Macedonia. Then slavs and turks settled there as well and established their own villages, or created new neighbourhoods of some of the towns that greeks have first settled into and given the names to.

The greek state had no historical or ethnic rights to lay claims on that land, since even if we assume that greece is a successor state of the byzantine empire, Macedonia, apart from a few brief periods never belonged to Byzantium during the medieval ages, it was part of the Serbian and Bulgarian kingdoms.

And if Piratis is right bg_ they will one day get all their land back.

[Simon]

Turks obviously do not understand the difference between liberation and conquest. This is perhaps why they can't see their own wrongdoings in Cyprus. It is interesting how Turkey's biggest and greatest cities were all stolen from Greece isn't it?

Who's up for starting a discussion on Greek claims to Constantinople? lol

[bg_turk]

Turks obviously do not understand the difference between liberation and conquest.

the difference is that those on the loosing side call it conquest, and those on the winning side liberation.

[Simon]

Thank you, you have just proved my point, you don't understand the difference.

Liberation is when you a freed from foreign rulers - i.e. when the Ottomans ruled Greece and therefore when the Greek War of Independence started. You cannot blame Greeks, Zan or anyone else for killing Ottomans when they were trying to gain freedom. How else could they do it? And please don't say negotiation or else I'll still be laughing in 2007.

Conquest - is when you move outside your own borders and forcefully take another's land - i.e. what the Ottomons done in Greece.

The difference is certainly not winning or losing.

[cypezokyli]

the difference is ofcource between winning and loosing.

bc the greeks marching till ankara were ofcource liberating werent they ? and the counter attack by the turks was ofcrource conquering wasnt it?

[Piratis]

Liberation is based on the word liberty, related to the word liberal (Monish Modi), and it is often understood as "to be freed (or change) from not having freedom to having freedom". A major use of the word is the act of the (forcible) removal of unwanted control of an area, person or people by an outside (military) force. It could also mean the removal of sexual inhibitions.

A conquest is the act of conquering a foreign land, usually for its assimilation into a larger federation or empire.

What kind of idiot would say that Ottomans invading and occupying Greece (or any other territory) could be called liberation? They were invading foreign land, not liberating land that has been theirs.

The same goes for the Turkish army in Cyprus. It is an illegal foreign army occupying part of another sovereign country.

[BirKibrisli]

I am coming to the conclusion that Cypro will never be solved.
It will not be solved because we are unable to let history be history.
It will not be solved because we are hell bent on hanging onto our ethnic identities and ignoring our common nationality.
It will not be solved because we are too ready to judge each other and too slow in forgiveness.
It will not be solved because we keep talking about Greeks and Turks instead of us,Cypriots.
It will not be solved because our hearts are full of bitterness and revenge instead of love and compassion.
I am coming to the conclusion that Cypro will never be solved.
Most of us in the diaspora will die on foreign soil longing to return to the source...

[gus]

Very sad and realistic conclusion, friend Birkibrisli.

I wish the best for my beloved and only one Cyprus!

From farewell Argentina.

[bg_turk]

What kind of idiot would say that Ottomans invading and occupying Greece (or any other territory) could be called liberation? They were invading foreign land, not liberating land that has been theirs.

Do you cosnider East Thrace and Asia Minor to be greek land, and are we in your eyes the conquerors of that land?

[bg_turk]

I am coming to the conclusion that Cypro will never be solved.
It will not be solved because we are unable to let history be history.
It will not be solved because we are hell bent on hanging onto our ethnic identities and ignoring our common nationality.
It will not be solved because we are too ready to judge each other and too slow in forgiveness.
It will not be solved because we keep talking about Greeks and Turks instead of us,Cypriots.
It will not be solved because our hearts are full of bitterness and revenge instead of love and compassion.

Good morning, Birkibrisli. It is better to wake up late, than never.

I am coming to the conclusion that Cypro will never be solved.
Most of us in the diaspora will die on foreign soil longing to return to the source...

What is preventing you from returning now?