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[Tim Drayton]

The BBC morning 'Today' radio news programme was in Spain recently (I think it was yesterday, in fact) interviewing British permanent residents there about the EU referendum, and I was astonished by how many of them were suffering from the naive illusion that nothing would change to their lives in Spain if Britain left the EU. Sadly, this only confirms a belief I have had for many years that the majority of people are exceptionally stupid. Of course things will change! If Britain leaves the EU, the status of British citizens will change from EU national to that of non-EU national. The rules for non-EU nationals who wish to apply for work and residence permits in various EU countries are in the public domain. A little research will reveal what restrictions non-EU nationals who wish to live in that country face. Those same restrictions will apply to British citizens if the UK is no longer an EU member.

[Robin Hood]

Tim:

How come my parents, who are British citizens and retired to Cyprus in 1990, DIDN'T qualify for free health care in Cyprus prior to Cyprus' accession to the EU and DID (or at least my mum did but my dad had passed away by then) following Cyprus' accession to the EU?

Cyprus joined the EU in May 2004. All I can do is pass on what I learned about the way the system operates now. She was adamant that the arrangement is between governments and not an EU directive, the Directive 2011/24 details how the system has to be applied to recipients entitled to healthcare in the EU.

I came here in 1994 and I expect, just like your parents, had to have private health cover. The Govt. system only became available to me in 2006 when I became a pensioner of the UK and by then Cyprus was in the EU.

I do not know the answer as to why, if either of your parents were in receipt of a UK State pension in 1990 they did not get the healthcare from the Cyprus State system. Maybe I got it wrong, but she did use the phrase “.... just like it has always been,’ maybe I should have made that a specific point although at the time I was not aware of what happened to your parents; maybe she meant ‘....... as it has always been ....... since Cyprus joined the Eu.’ ..... but she didn’t .

I am just trying to be helpful having heard and read some of the fear stories during the Brexit campaign and passing on what I have learned as it applies to the UK voting 'out'. My information FWIW, is that it will make no difference.

[Tim Drayton]

Any chance you could give the name and date of this agreement or, even better, a link to the text? Thanks.

[Tim Drayton]

Well, according to the following:

"The UK has reciprocal health care agreements with all Member States of the European Union."

http://www.studystay.com/htm/essentials ... ealth5.htm

so it must have one with Cyprus, but when did it take effect and it was it essentially enacted to comply with EU acquis? If so, it will probably be ended if the UK leaves the EU.

[Robin Hood]

Well, according to the following:

"The UK has reciprocal health care agreements with all Member States of the European Union."

http://www.studystay.com/htm/essentials ... ealth5.htm

so it must have one with Cyprus, but when did it take effect and it was it essentially enacted to comply with EU acquis? If so, it will probably be ended if the UK leaves the EU.

My source disagreed, we won't know until/if it happens for sure.

Trying to think logically and about Cyprus rather than Spain, because I know nothing about living/working in Spain ..... but logic says that neither of these countries would want to see all the UK pensioners pack up and leave, we bring too much currency into the economy each year. I also think that in both countries if there are any forms of reprisals on UK citizens (punishment) they could kiss good bye to their tourist industry. Look at Egypt and Tunisia ..... I am sure the Cypriots are smarter than that?

So, I don’t think they will throw us out. I don’t think much will change for UK pensioners but if you are working then you may need a work permit and there could be other restrictions such as would be needed to start a business. Will they throw us out of our homes, seize our property and possessions and transport us to internment camps? I can’t honestly see anything drastic happening to us whether we are working or retired.

But there again ELIM(?) could get into power and do an Idi Armin on us I suppose?

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

No not you Tim.

I deleted the post because I didn't want to offend too many innocent people just because I am being trolled and personally attacked by another imbecile.

I certainly hope the RoC is able to offer good quality health care for Brits too and hopefully the economy improves so that it can keep doing so and even improve the system.

Paphitis, ‘stop whingeing’! If you don’t like being insulted, then don’t insult and verbally abuse others. This post you deleted was obviously another slagging off ............ no doubt with references to ‘whingeing poms’obviously aimed at me?

BTW: I don't do whingeing especially in Cyprus ...... I live here out of choice, the system here has been very fair with me and I have no significant complaints.

The answer is simple .......If you can’t take it .... then don’t dish it out. You want to disagree with me fine ..... I have no problem with that ...... but try to form an intelligent response as if it was formulated and written by an adult..... rather than a stroppy juvenile know-all with delusions of grandeur........... all you do is succeed in making yourself look rather foolish.

I am not trolling you I merely post in response to what I consider a juvenile and unwarranted assault on me personally, because I happen to know more than you about a subject, but you never prove me wrong, you just attack and insult my views without presenting anything tangible to support yours.

I never insult first, just call out your unfounded stupidity for what it is!

Now you go and do 10 push ups in your little F Troop because you are going to need all the physical and mental conditioning you can get. Don't want to push you too hard because you might have a stroke and be a burden on the Cypriot Health System.

[Paphitis]

Well, according to the following:

"The UK has reciprocal health care agreements with all Member States of the European Union."

http://www.studystay.com/htm/essentials ... ealth5.htm

so it must have one with Cyprus, but when did it take effect and it was it essentially enacted to comply with EU acquis? If so, it will probably be ended if the UK leaves the EU.

Tim,

as with everything, Robin Hood has an agenda.

His agenda is one which is anti EU. He is pro BREXIT without considering the Health, Financial, Political, Trade and Social ramifications that may exist and which may be negative for Britian and British People living in EU Countries like Cyprus.

He is pro BREXIT because in his eyes, he wants Britain to crumble and fall. He is also anti EU because he wants the EU to fall. He is also anti NATO and wants NATO to fall. He is also anti USA and wants it to fall on its knees as well as all its allies like Australia, Japan, Canada etc etc.

It's all NWO kind of stuff. He also wants Global Financial Markets and the Banking sector to fall and take the world back to the dark ages.

I am kind of pro BREXIT myself, but I don't want Britain or the EU to suffer for it. My motivation is that I don't believe the EU is a true Union and have a bee in my bonnet over the treatment of Greece and Cyprus dring the financial crisis. I also believe in a strong Banking Sector and the ability of each EU Country to set its own Fiscal Policies through its own autonomous Central Bank and not a one size fits all type of arrangement.

But overall, I totally and 100% support the right of the British People to determine their own future either within the EU or not. With that in mind, I would completely respect any decision which is not in favour of BREXIT. The referendum will end the debate for a long time, and everyone can just get on with it.

Robin Hood will however duck and weave and cry like a Marxist bitch because he would see this as a lost opportunity to make a dent into the EU, Britain, Western Ideals, and the Global Financial Markets.

He wants to set up his own Bolshevik Utopia, and I think it is about time we tell him to move to North Korea where he can finally be at peace!

Maybe he can help them with their ICBM Missile testing so that the regime there can finally strike Washington DC!

[Tim Drayton]

By the way, he isn't a Marxist or someone on the left. Nobody on the left says positive things about Hitler's holocaust of the Jews.

[Tim Drayton]

Thinking about the original poster's question for a minute, I don't think anybody has mentioned that access to free healthcare in Cyprus is means tested and is only available to people on relatively low incomes. A comprehensive national health system is supposed to be in the pipeline, but nobody knows when that will come.

[Paphitis]

By the way, he isn't a Marxist or someone on the left. Nobody on the left says positive things about Hitler's holocaust of the Jews.

Yeh I forgot about that one.

As I said, he wants all Western Institutions, Financial Markets and countries to fall down in a heap.

Israel is no exception to his vitriol. Not even those critical of Israel would wish to complete destruction of its people or the State itself.

And yet he, subscribes to genocide denial, or supports Hitler's actions with regard to the exterminations of Jews, Blacks, and other minorities as well as political dissidents.

But not only this, his views about Assad are also well known.

He will support anyone who is against the SYSTEM as he sees it. It's a warped mentality.