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[Paphitis]

Why would I take a break? Because you don't know what your talking about? Get off your high horse old fart!

The West never supported 100 militias in Syria and cause the Syrian Uprising. It never assisted any groups until early last year and by that time the war was already raging for 4 years.

There are strict protocols to the Cypriot Flag and one of them is to actually have a brain and not tell lies! Cypriots have values and Principles.

You take the break poll man!

[miltiades]

Why would I take a break? Because you don't know what your talking about? Get off your high horse old fart!

The West never supported 100 militias in Syria and cause the Syrian Uprising. It never assisted any groups until early last year and by that time the war was already raging for 4 years.

There are strict protocols to the Cypriot Flag and one of them is to actually have a brain and not tell lies!

You take the break poll man!

Shall we have a ....poll as to who needs a ... break ?

[Paphitis]

I suggest you take a break for a few weeks yero!

[Sotos]

I do not care about flags either and Cyprus for Cypriots is great... but what you said after sounds more like "Cyprus for everybody". If a foreigner wants to visit because he likes our island thats great... we like tourists. But a French or Nigerian can not become Cypriot just by linking our trees and flowers! First of all he should like us, the people, and he should want to be one of us. Then he should also pass the legal procedure for naturalization because Cyprus is a sovereign state... not the Hani tou Patziarou (ask Lordo to translate that for you!)

The state can and does and should have a procedure and criteria for someone to become a citizen but I am not the state and I am not talking about this. What I am talking about and what I think was the spirit of RW original post / question is the notion of Cypriotness. For me this is a 'state of mind and state of heart' and it is separate from and independent from where a person may have been born, what god they may pray to, what their native language or that of the their forebears may have been.

If we are talking about the "Cyprus Citizenship" then there are certain legal criteria and if you meet them you can get the citizenship no matter what.... but I believe most countries require a certain level of proficiency in their official language to give the citizenship and I think this is correct. But "Cypriotness" is more than just "Cyprus citizen". I'd say that Cypriotness should be something obvious that somebody who knows other Cypriots would be able to identify you as Cypriot just by looking at you behaving and talking. For example I can identify a Cypriot with 99% accuracy even if they speak in English. So i'd say it is not possible for first generation immigrants to have this Cypriotness... they will have the "...ness" of their original environment. That French person immigrating to Cyprus might get the Cypriot citizenship and he might learn to speak our language... but I can bet that after a minute with him I will be able to tell that he is actually French... he will not be able to get rid of his Frenchness and replace it with Cypriotness no matter how hard he tries.

[erolz66]

he will not be able to get rid of his Frenchness and replace it with Cypriotness no matter how hard he tries.

For me it is not either or, it can be both. Sure with a first generation French immigrant to Cyprus I would be able to tell their Frenchness but that does not mean that there is therefore no room left in them for any Cypriotness, until the Frenchness has been driven out. If they have that 'state of mind and state of heart' that is Cypriot in it's essence, If they have have that connection (emotional, spiritual) to this place, the love for this place, to these mountains and sea and fauna and flora and people and cultures and quirks and peculiarities of this place, then to me they are Cypriot. I am both British and Cypriot, by citizenship and in my own mind and heart. I do not have to become less British in order to be more Cypriot. Being British does not stop or inhibit my connection to this place, my love of this place, these mountains, this sea.

[miltiades]

I do not care about flags either and Cyprus for Cypriots is great... but what you said after sounds more like "Cyprus for everybody". If a foreigner wants to visit because he likes our island thats great... we like tourists. But a French or Nigerian can not become Cypriot just by linking our trees and flowers! First of all he should like us, the people, and he should want to be one of us. Then he should also pass the legal procedure for naturalization because Cyprus is a sovereign state... not the Hani tou Patziarou (ask Lordo to translate that for you!)

The state can and does and should have a procedure and criteria for someone to become a citizen but I am not the state and I am not talking about this. What I am talking about and what I think was the spirit of RW original post / question is the notion of Cypriotness. For me this is a 'state of mind and state of heart' and it is separate from and independent from where a person may have been born, what god they may pray to, what their native language or that of the their forebears may have been.

If we are talking about the "Cyprus Citizenship" then there are certain legal criteria and if you meet them you can get the citizenship no matter what.... but I believe most countries require a certain level of proficiency in their official language to give the citizenship and I think this is correct. But "Cypriotness" is more than just "Cyprus citizen". I'd say that Cypriotness should be something obvious that somebody who knows other Cypriots would be able to identify you as Cypriot just by looking at you behaving and talking. For example I can identify a Cypriot with 99% accuracy even if they speak in English. So i'd say it is not possible for first generation immigrants to have this Cypriotness... they will have the "...ness" of their original environment. That French person immigrating to Cyprus might get the Cypriot citizenship and he might learn to speak our language... but I can bet that after a minute with him I will be able to tell that he is actually French... he will not be able to get rid of his Frenchness and replace it with Cypriotness no matter how hard he tries.

Naturally a French / Cypriot would prefer ...frogs to ameletita , mon ami

[erolz66]

Naturally a French / Cypriot would prefer ...frogs to ameletita , mon ami

Or happily enjoy both, equally

[Paphitis]

Naturally a French / Cypriot would prefer ...frogs to ameletita , mon ami

Or happily enjoy both, equally

That's impossible isn't it?

I guess too many people have these strange hang ups. Sign of the times.

Hey, take a look at my. I have a black friend. Hey look at me, I have a Gay Friend. Hey look at me, I have a Turkish Friend. Hey look at me, I said hello to a Muslim.

Hey look at me, I eat Frogs Legs so aren't I sophisticated!

[kurupetos]

...i ask Mr. Akinci to stand with me, holding the Flag of Cyprus in his hands.

...i ask, who will join me?

...you kurupetos, you Oceanside, you erolz, you GIG, you Paphitis, you GR, you Lordo, and billc, Cap, Piratis, Zenon, miltiades, so many to mention, i ask, will you join me?

Next to my PC, there is a RoC flag, along with the RoG one. They have been with me for more than 25 years.

I hope this answers your question, RW.

[kurupetos]

One country, one flag. Republic of Cyprus.

Until the time is right for something better...