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[GreekIslandGirl]

My dear, you were raised in the remote north-western corner of Cyprus where the most exciting thing that happened between 1950 and 1974 was when Yiannis’ cow gave birth to triplets but unlike you I lived in Nicosia where all the ACTION was.

I’ll bet the isolated people of your village; cut off by the huge Troodos mountain range, didn’t even realize when the Venetians, Romans, Ottomans, and a bunch of 20 other tribes came and went!

Btw, when was the first asphalt road built that connected your village with the rest of Cyprus? Was it not sometime in the 1990s when a bunch of adventurous Brits discovered you while trekking?

They came back with stories of a remote people who communicated in a form of Skoullos sign language and with their nakedness covered by sheepskins!

Sorry, but stuff like that doesn't insult or embarrass me one little bit! I would tear up those asphalt roads again, if I had a choice, and go back to donkeys. You see, we are the true Cypriots. The Greek Cypriots, who love this land ... deep .... and not for the superficial comings and goings above the soil.

[erolz66]

The Greek Cypriots, who love this land ... deep .... and not for the superficial comings and goings above the soil.

You love this land so deep that you think it is should belong and be ruled by a majority of people who have never even stepped on to it, lived here or worked this land. You do not love this land, you love the irredentist concept of Greek nationalism.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The Greek Cypriots, who love this land ... deep .... and not for the superficial comings and goings above the soil.

You love this land so deep that you think it is should belong and be ruled by a majority of people who have never even stepped on to it, lived here or worked this land. You do not love this land, you love the irredentist concept of Greek nationalism.

You're describing what TCs have actually DONE - given up to Turks.

The natives of this land, the majority, are Greeks. And when we vote - we vote for freedom, democracy and individual human rights. Those are Greek values. You may denigrate them as "Greek nationalism". But, they are the values of the majority of civilised states. But not Turks. That's why you fear our vote because it mirrors that of civilised nations - nations that we are actually a part of and Turks are foreign to. However, there is only so much you can stop. We have joined (enosis) with these similar-thinking nations, Greece and the EU.

Previously, Greek Cypriots fought for FREEDOM. Turks never joined us to fight for freedom. Why should we trust YOU who are the ones who have enslaved Greeks, who do enslave Greeks, who do rob Greeks, who do kill Greeks?

With Greek Cypriots, from this soil or Greeks from other islands or mainland, comes FREEDOM and when we vote, we vote for FREEDOM, democracy, individual rights as we have learned over thousands of years to expect - whereas you want to VOTE for US and take away our rights, our voice. You want to have us without individual rights and to be slaves and have less say in our own country and how it is run. We were given fewer rights because of the presence of Turks, because of the demands of the Turks!

[erolz66]

The natives of this land,

Native is just a word you throw around but the simple truth is something that comes to a place from outside that place can not be and is not native to that place, by definition. Greek language and culture came to Cyprus from outside Cyprus and thus by definition is not native to Cyprus.

the majority, are Greeks.

The majority of Cypriots are of Greek cultural descent. That no more makes them Greeks than New Zealanders of British or Dutch cultural descent are British or Dutch.

And when we vote - we vote for freedom, democracy and individual human rights. Those are Greek values. You may denigrate them as "Greek nationalism". But, they are the values of the majority of civilised states.

We know how committed irredentist Greek nationalist in Greece and Cyprus were to freedom, democracy, individual humans rights and the behaviour of civilised states. We know this because those very people did launch a coup d'etat, did seek to assassinate the elected head of state, did kill Cypriots, both TC and GC, all in the pursuit of irredentist Greek nationalist objectives. We know the disdain such people had for freedom, democracy and civilised behaviour because we saw it and experienced.

That's why you fear our vote because it mirrors that of civilised nations - nations that we are actually a part of and Turks are foreign to.

We fear what extremes of violence and illegality Greek nationalists were prepared to go to in their pursuit of imposing their Greek nationalist desires on all Cypriots. With good reason.

Previously, Greek Cypriots fought for FREEDOM. Turks never joined us to fight for freedom.

The history of Cypriots together, Greek speaking and Turkish speaking, fighting together as Cypriots against the oppression of Ottoman rule in Cyprus is undeniable, no matter how much it suits your propaganda to deny it. Turkish Cypriots did not fight to see Cyprus not ruled by Cypriots, to see it owned and ruled by people who had no connection with the place that is Cyprus, that is true. They fought for their freedom to not be ruled in their own homeland by those that defined themselves as 'other' than TC.

With Greek Cypriots, from this soil or Greeks from other islands or mainland, comes FREEDOM and when we vote, we vote for FREEDOM, democracy, individual rights as we have learned over thousands of years to expect -

Greek nationalists in Greece and Cyprus, pursuing an irredentist Greek nationalist objective of creating a 'Greater Greece', by launching a bloody coup d'etat in Cyprus were not champions of 'freedom' or 'democracy'.

whereas you want to VOTE for US and take away our rights, our voice. You want to have us without individual rights and to be slaves and have less say in our own country and how it is run. We were given fewer rights because of the presence of Turks, because of the demands of the Turks!

Just the usual rhetoric divorced from any actual reality. All I want is for you to accept that when you pursue a futre in and for Cyprus that is defined by you Greekness, that seeks for Cyprus to not be ruled by Cypriots, that seeks for Cyprus to not even exist as a nation and stae in its own right, you do not do so in the name of a unitary Cypriot people, but do so in the name of Greek nationalism. That is it.

[Get Real!]

The natives of this land, the majority, are Greeks.

Dumb dumb ++

Lookup the word NATIVES before using it!

[GreekIslandGirl]

.... Greek language and culture came to Cyprus from outside Cyprus and thus by definition is not native to Cyprus.

Bollocks. The people, language, culture, temples, art, history, religion etc all co-evolved between the Greek states and islands -over thousands of years!

[Lordo]

.... Greek language and culture came to Cyprus from outside Cyprus and thus by definition is not native to Cyprus.

Bollocks. The people, language, culture, temples, art, history, religion etc all co-evolved between the Greek states and islands -over thousands of years!

you really need to re-asses why your people needed to invade cyprus and impose her kultur on the cypriots for nearly 300 years. thank god others came and saved cyprus from your backwardness.

geri zekali seni gidi gidjimish ciracik

[erolz66]

.... Greek language and culture came to Cyprus from outside Cyprus and thus by definition is not native to Cyprus.

Bollocks. The people, language, culture, temples, art, history, religion etc all co-evolved between the Greek states and islands -over thousands of years!

The tortuous semantic and logical hoops your warped ideology forces you to have to try and jump through is genuinely amusing to watch. When the very first non Cypriot, Greek speaking, person arrived in Cyprus, all those hundreds of years ago, the people they encountered in Cyprus that were already there there before them, they were already Greek were they ? Utter nonsense. Greek culture arrived in Cyprus from outside of Cyprus and thus can not be described as native. That there was ongoing cultural evolution after Greek culture arrived in Cyprus, from outside Cyprus, does not make that Greek culture native to Cyprus.

[GreekIslandGirl]

When the very first non Cypriot, Greek speaking, person arrived in Cyprus, all those hundreds of years ago, ...

THOUSANDS!

[erolz66]

When the very first non Cypriot, Greek speaking, person arrived in Cyprus, all those hundreds of years ago, ...

THOUSANDS!

And still not native, by definition.

You are the minority - the minority that thinks Cyprus should not be ruled by Cypriots.